Israel to Get 5000 US Smart Bombs, Bunker Busters

Aelita
We need alternative energy sources and quit dependency on oil, and leave the Middle East for good.

Agreed.

There are far to many problems over there for even the US to sort out.

I'd rather see more money going into securing our borders then securing Iraq.

Originally posted by Intelearthling

Originally posted by AceOfBase
Let's hope Russia and North Korea follow up with shipments of arms to Iran to even things out.

Can't get any more anti-Semitic than this statement.

Well cheering the huge arms supplies going to Israel at the expense of American taxpayers doesn't get any more Zionist, does it? And also somebody's phrase "if Iran dares to respond, nice knowing Iranian people"?


[edit on 21-9-2004 by Aelita]

Originally posted by Intelearthling

Originally posted by AceOfBase
Let's hope Russia and North Korea follow up with shipments of arms to Iran to even things out.

Can't get any more anti-Semitic than this statement.

I disagree with that. Critisim of Isreal is not anti-semitic at all. Isreal is running the world biggest concentration camp in Gaza. The are systematicaly running a campaign of ethnic clensing that Hitler or Milosivich would be proud of. They are arming up to go after a neighbor country. Why can't Iran arm up to defend itself? Is it anti-semitic to defend yourself agains Israeli agression?

Originally posted by Intelearthling

Originally posted by AceOfBase
Let's hope Russia and North Korea follow up with shipments of arms to Iran to even things out.

Can't get any more anti-Semitic than this statement.

Oh really?
What's wrong with wanting a little balance in power in the world?

How about the reply you made in regards to using nukes?
Isn't that an anti-Arab/anti-Persian statement?

AceofBase
What's wrong with wanting a little balance in power in the world?

Iran has enough bombs and nukes to level Isreal and has a way bigger country and a bigger army. I'd say the US is trying to make it balanced.

This is the original article from Haaretz:

Haaretz
...Among the bombs the air force will get are 500 one-ton bunker busters that can penetrate two-meter-thick cement walls; 2,500 regular one-ton bombs; 1,000 half-ton bombs; and 500 quarter-ton bombs.

Government sources said the bomb deal, one of the largest weapons deals of recent years, did not face any political difficulties, despite the use Israel has made of U.S.-made F-16s in some of its assassinations in the territories. The IDF used a one-ton bomb to kill a senior Hamas officer, Salah Shehadeh, in July 2002, an assassination that also took the lives of 15 Palestinian civilians, including children. In September 2003, the air force used a smaller, quarter-ton bomb, to strike at Hamas leaders, but missed. In other cases, half-ton bombs have been used.

Originally posted by Murcielago

Aelita
We need alternative energy sources and quit dependency on oil, and leave the Middle East for good.

Agreed.

There are far to many problems over there for even the US to sort out.

I'd rather see more money going into securing our borders then securing Iraq.

Amen to that. Murcielago for President!

Originally posted by Aelita

Originally posted by Intelearthling

Originally posted by AceOfBase
Let's hope Russia and North Korea follow up with shipments of arms to Iran to even things out.

Can't get any more anti-Semitic than this statement.

Well cheering the huge arms supplies going to Israel at the expense of American taxpayers doesn't get any more Zionist, does it? And also somebody's phrase "if Iran dares to respond, nice knowing Iranian people"?

I'm not cheering a huge arms supply. I'm cheering a percentage of what should be sent to Israel. Why shouldn't American taxpayers have to foot the bill for Israel? After all, Israel has done a lot more for us than the world has done for them.

And the Iranians? Lets hope they're smarter than what history has proven them to be. If they've increased in any intelligence at all, they'll butt out!

Originally posted by Intelearthling
And the Iranians? Lets hope they're smarter than what history has proven them to be. If they've increased in any intelligence at all, they'll butt out!

Butt out of the US and Israel's plans to bomb them?
I don't think they'll find that acceptable.

Originally posted by Intelearthling
After all, Israel has done a lot more for us than the world has done for them.

Please educate me about the tremendous sacrifies Israel made specifically for the US.

Originally posted by AceOfBase

Originally posted by Intelearthling

Originally posted by AceOfBase
Let's hope Russia and North Korea follow up with shipments of arms to Iran to even things out.

Can't get any more anti-Semitic than this statement.

Oh really?
What's wrong with wanting a little balance in power in the world?

How about the reply you made in regards to using nukes?
Isn't that an anti-Arab/anti-Persian statement?

You don't need to give the Iranians any nukes. That's like supplying hardened criminals in high-security prisons with weapons and telling them not to use them to escape or giving a loaded weapon to a 3 year old with the safety off. Israel is getting these weapons, not to use, but to insure stability to a region that has not known any. To even say that Israel doesn't need any weapons is saying that Israel doesn't have the right to exist.

Iran wouldn't use these weapons to deter war, they would use them to try and destroy Israel. That is their agenda along with the rest of the Middle East and there is no one that can tell me different. If Iran wants peace with Israel, then they've got to recognize Israel as a nation. Until that day comes, Israel should have the right to defend herself from any aggression by any means.

You don't need a balance of power. It causes trouble. You only need the strong and the weak. All power of strength should be given to Israel and the United States (with the exceptions of a few close aliies). If any nation dares to contend with this, then all they're doing is committing suicide. The strong can keep an eye on those who are weak and make sure they don't hurt themselves or others.

[edit on 21/9/04 by Intelearthling]

Originally posted by Aelita

Originally posted by Intelearthling
After all, Israel has done a lot more for us than the world has done for them.

Please educate me about the tremendous sacrifies Israel made specifically for the US.

I didn't say sacrifices. I said they done more for the U.S. and the whole world as far as that goes than the world has done for Israel. I didn't want to get into the area of theology, but it looks as though it's unavoidable. Their people gave the whole world the Holy Bible more than 2000 years ago. And what do they get in return. Persecution and genocide. Many will hold dear to Good Book while spitting in a Jews face. And the world calls themselves civilized? I scoff at such non-sense.

Originally posted by Intelearthling
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You don't need a balance of power. It causes trouble. You only need the strong and the weak. All power of strength should be given to Israel and the United States (with the exceptions of a few close aliies). If any nation dares to contend with this, then all they're doing is committing suicide. The strong can keep an eye on those who are weak and make sure they don't hurt themselves or others.

[edit on 21/9/04 by Intelearthling]

This is quite interesting, let's step into the time machine, go back 65 years and see the strong amongst the weak:



Originally posted by AceOfBase" target='_blank' class='tabOff'/>

Originally posted by Intelearthling

Originally posted by Aelita

Originally posted by Intelearthling
After all, Israel has done a lot more for us than the world has done for them.

Please educate me about the tremendous sacrifies Israel made specifically for the US.

I didn't say sacrifices. I said they done more for the U.S. and the whole world as far as that goes than the world has done for Israel. I didn't want to get into the area of theology, but it looks as though it's unavoidable. Their people gave the whole world the Holy Bible more than 2000 years ago. And what do they get in return. Persecution and genocide. Many will hold dear to Good Book while spitting in a Jews face. And the world calls themselves civilized? I scoff at such non-sense.

Yes, of course, all of civilization was started by the Jews. Uh-huh. Sumeria, Egypt, Greece, and Rome really had nothing to do with it and they had no coda for morals or civilized living.

As far as how much Israel cares about the US, I think that was shown quite precisely with their spying on us and selling the secrets to the Soviets, or the destruction of the USS Liberty.

Israel is a state. Judaism is a religion. Understand that. Israel and Judaism are not identical by any stretch of the imagination.

Originally posted by intrepid

Excuse me intrepid, but the Nazis weren't strong. Who won that conflict?
I'll answer that. The strong!

Iran has said it will counter attack Isreal if Isreal attacks it's nuclear facility. Isreal now has 5000 US smart bombs. Let's do some math here.

Isreal attacks Iran. Iran counter attacks by trying to invade Isreal. The US has troops in Iraq. Iraq is right next to Iran. Isreal is an ally of the US. US policy has Iran as an enemy. US would then have an easy path into Iran (since their troops are attempting to attack Isreal). US would also have a reason to attack Iran (defending it's ally).

all of that = US invades Iran.

Originally posted by taibunsuu
Yes, of course, all of civilization was started by the Jews.

I didn't say the Jews started civilization.

Israel is a state. Judaism is a religion. Understand that. Israel and Judaism are not identical by any stretch of the imagination.

It is a state created specifically for the Jews, so they should considered on and the same.


[edit on 21/9/04 by Intelearthling]

Originally posted by Intelearthling

Originally posted by intrepid

Excuse me intrepid, but the Nazis weren't strong. Who won that conflict?
I'll answer that. The strong!

Mate, you've got to read your history. All of Europe couldn't stand before Germany, UK and Russia being the exceptions.

2nd thing, if there had been a "strong" presence during the Cold War as opposed to a standoff, what do you think would have happened?

American Mad Man - But why would we want to invade Iran, Once there nuke facilities are destroyed, who cares.

Were in afghan & Iraq, do you really want to add Iran to that expensive list.

If we do anything military it will be the same as when Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990, we would use force only to get Iran out of Isreal, that's it.

[edit on 21-9-2004 by Murcielago]