Teen charged over Facebook post on UK soldiers killed in Afghanistan#

reply to post by Petest205


I think you're confused here.

When dead British soldiers get more attention than the folks that were just gunned down in Afghanistan, the people have a right to question this attention.

There's no "muslims spitting" here. Rather, you are a victim of propaganda concerning the war in Afghanistan.

Have fun chomping away merrily on the bait.

reply to post by Aim64C


Immature brat?

What, he doesn't have a right to insult your beloved shock troops?

I would have made the same rant if I knew I could get away with it.

Soldiers are not kings meant to be kissed and coddled.

They are warriors and if they can't handle the criticism, they should take their boots and go home.

Originally posted by gladtobehere
Posting an opinion is now an arrestable offense?

It is if that comment is racist or seeks to inspire racial hatred. This kid didn't just "post an opinion".

Originally posted by gladtobehere
Does the UK have a Bill of Rights or Constitution?

Yes, it is much older than the US one as well.

Originally posted by gladtobehere
Guess we shouldnt expect much from a nation which has a history deeply rooted in imperialism, conquest, gun confiscations and more surveillance cameras than any other nation on Earth.

You have no idea what you're talking about. First of all, find me a nation on Earth that hasn't had a pop at building an Empire. Gun confiscations? And the CCTV thing is getting tired. You clearly haven't got a fudging clue and are parrotting something you heard without checking the facts.

Originally posted by Pirateofpsychonautics
I honestly don't see what the big deal is...he didn't say anything overly outrageous. In fairness, if troops entered Australia and decided to shoot/rape civilians at will using a complete and utter BS excuse like a war on terrorism- I'd be wishing for those troops to face the wrath of the devil himself.

And when have British troops been involved in any mass shootings of civilians or raping them? Just because the Yanks are an ill-disciplined lot, doesn't mean we are. BTW, isn't Oz in Afghan too?

Originally posted by boncho
I must be missing something here. This is it?

Inflammatory yes.. Arrestable offence? Uh...

Right, lets just point something out...

Someone made a complaint about the post and, from it's content it is clear there is something too it. The fact a complaint was made is the reason for arrest, no-one has been charged. That is why they arrest people, so they can investigate. Chances are, he will be let off as the comments are not as bad as some others people have got away with before.

reply to post by kerazeesicko


The boy wasn't an Afghan. By his name, I would have a guess and say he is Pakistani in origin.

Originally posted by maskedkhan
I am pretty sure that the Afghan people have killed more of the Afghan people than soldiers over the years. Why is it only the soldiers fault?

Nail/Head. We have just joined in on the tail end of a Civil War which has raged since the 70's and, eventually, spilled out to cause chaos round the world.

I am really pissed at the people in this thread bitching about "troops killing and raping", because firstly, find me a single instance of a British soldier even being accused of raping a civilian and secondly, the Taliban are responsible for the massive majority of civilian deaths but the same people who throw the accusations againt the UK forces don't mention the horrible crimes that the Taliban were doing even before we showed up, let alone now.

reply to post by The Sword


I have not seen any difference in the level of coverage between the deaths of the UK soldiers and the rampage pepetrated by the ill-disciplined US soldiers last week. Both have been covered in depth by the BBC.

You're just insinuating without any kind of corroborating evidence in the hope you will make a point using emotion, rather than fact. Pathetic.

reply to post by stumason


Actually, I'm questioning why people are attacking this person for expressing a dissenting opinion on UK troops.

Apparently, it's NOT ok on ATS to insult troops, ANY troops. Kinda like insulting Israel.

The sheep that whine about such disrespect have sharp eyes but poor reasoning skills.

Wow........
I guess the person that made this facebook page should be arrested too by those standards... What hypocrisy

Azhar Ahmed need to be killed for what he wrote on facebook the scum! people like this should not be in our county if their not going to support it! out with the scum!!!

Its hard to judge without seeing the comments, but I think this should be protected under freedom of speech. UK hate crime laws are quite ridiculous, IMHO.

reply to post by stumason

I am really pissed at the people in this thread bitching about "troops killing and raping", because firstly, find me a single instance of a British soldier even being accused of raping a civilian and secondly, the Taliban are responsible for the massive majority of civilian deaths but the same people who throw the accusations againt the UK forces don't mention the horrible crimes that the Taliban were doing even before we showed up, let alone now.

You ever heard that old expression/saying, "Someone beats my kid and I'll kill him, because I'm the only one allowed to beat my kid."

The Afghani people have a long history of violence against their own, but it doesn't mean if someone else comes in and continues it that people there are going to be okay with it.

Just as in Iraq, more than 90% of the death in Afghanistan & Iraq are due to suicide bombers, the Taliban, and civil war between Sunni & Shiites, unfortunately these extremist twist and distort this information and make it seem like its our boys doing all this killing, its called propaganda,

I can't be bothered with you morons anymore i have researched this for more years than i care to remember, so you can just go on one of these websites and look for yourself whose killing those people,

www.iraqbodycount.org...
www.afghanbodycount.org...

So what about Israel?

Well the thing is with Israel is they could of had peace a million times over, but peace is not what Israels neighbors want, they want them wiped of the map, period, and the sole reason Israel is slowly pushing the Palestinians out of Israel is because outside forces are funding the Palestinians to launch terrorist attacks from within Israel, its better to move those people out of Israel, its a problem which has escalated over the years, i don't agree with it its wrong but they do not have much of a choice, Iran will keep funding attacks on Israeli citizens, they're surrounded and attacked from within, the rest of the world would like a wall built around that place with everybody kicked out its realistically the only option left for an end to the violence, israel is only defending itself thats the truth at the bottom of all this, they would prefer to live in peace but they will never ever ever ever see that day, we all now this sadly,

Funny # is if you switched what he said and turned it against Muslims/Afghani's some of you fools would cheer him on and defend your right to do so with "freedom of speech"!

More like freedom of selective speech! Pure hypocrites



as I said in another thread, here is proof of what he is trying to convey

Look at how Skynews highlights the massacre that occurred recently against 16 Afghan civilians

Afghan Slaughter 'May Be Disastrous For US'

It is hard to fathom what could have gone through the mind of the US soldier in Afghanistan who put a gun to the foreheads of nine children and pulled the trigger, nine times.

But as a staff sergeant attached to the American Special Forces 'Green Berets', he would have been aware of the consequences of his actions.
These days, every American soldier is well-drilled in the notion of the 'Strategic Corporal' - the low-level commander whose actions can have strategic consequences which decide whether a mission is a success of failure - setting the conditions for victory or defeat.

news.sky.com...

Notice the title? Afghan slaughter... disastrous for US?? Well no #!
But thats not the actual disaster at hand with the incident!!! The slaughter itself is the disaster! This is the kind of deceitful reporting he is trying to talk about, and its right here. They go on to talk about their military strategy jargon...

But when its of their own, "more" human beings, its straight to what actually happend

Six UK Soldiers Killed In Afghanistan Blast

news.sky.com...

Don't get me wrong, the lives lost on both sides are to be equally cherished! Both soldiers and the civilians are victims of a much larger scheme of special interests who don't value human life 1 bit, we need to stop these wars NOW!!

reply to post by The Sword


There is "dissenting opinion" and wishing death upon somebody, which this kid did.

Had he kept it simple and eloquent, he would have garnered far more support than his hissy little rant and how all soldiers should die and burn in hell, which has just landed him in hot water.

There is precedent for that exact offence, a few years ago some idot Islamists were charged and jailed for waving placards and chanting slogans saying the same thing at a homecoming parade for a local regiment.

reply to post by TKDRL


Make a complaint then, instead of bitching about it on a US forum!!!!

I guarantee if you make a complaint, arrests will follow. It isn't hypocrasy at all, but the Police only act if a complaint is made.

Originally posted by boncho
You ever heard that old expression/saying, "Someone beats my kid and I'll kill him, because I'm the only one allowed to beat my kid."

The Afghani people have a long history of violence against their own, but it doesn't mean if someone else comes in and continues it that people there are going to be okay with it.

I know what you're saying, but lets extract your analogy to it's logical conclusion. If said parent beats his kid, but that fight then spills over into someone else backyard and other people are hurt in the process, let's say my family get caught up in the fight, then I think I have every bloody right to go wading in there and sort that crap out.

Do not forget (and I suspect many have or are simply to young) that the Taliban would have been left alone if they just handed Osama over. Only when they point blank refused did the US and the UK attack Afghan.

Your analogy is too simple to be relevant really.

Originally posted by Maslo
Its hard to judge without seeing the comments, but I think this should be protected under freedom of speech.

All you people talking about "Freedom of Speech" I recommend a little reading

Freedom of Speech

Speech critical of the government

The Espionage Act of 1917 imposed a maximum sentence of twenty years for anyone who caused or attempted to cause "insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty in the military or naval forces of the United States." Over two thousand were convicted under the Act. One filmmaker was sentenced to ten years imprisonment because his portrayal of British soldiers in a movie about the American Revolution impugned the good faith of an American ally, the United Kingdom. The Sedition Act of 1918 went even further, criminalizing "disloyal," "scurrilous" or "abusive" language against the government.

en.wikipedia.org...

Clear and present danger

Clear and present danger is a doctrine adopted by the Supreme Court of the United States to determine under what circumstances limits can be placed on First Amendment freedoms of speech, press or assembly.

en.wikipedia.org...

United States free speech exceptions

Exceptions to free speech in the United States are limitations on the First Amendment's guarantee of free speech and expression as recognized by the United States Supreme Court. These exceptions have been created over time, based on certain types of speech and expression, and under different contexts. While freedom of speech in the United States is a constitutional right, these exceptions make that right a limited one. Restrictions that are based off people's reactions to words include both instances of a complete exception, and cases of diminished protection. Speech that involves incitement, false statements of fact, obscenity, child pornography, offensive speech, threats, and speech owned by others are all completely exempt from First Amendment protections. Commercial advertising receives diminished, but not eliminated, protection.

en.wikipedia.org...



Haven't looked up the UK laws yet

Originally posted by seenavv
Funny # is if you switched what he said and turned it against Muslims/Afghani's some of you fools would cheer him on and defend your right to do so with "freedom of speech"!

More like freedom of selective speech! Pure hypocrites



as I said in another thread, here is proof of what he is trying to convey

Look at how Skynews highlights the massacre that occurred recently against 16 Afghan civilians

Afghan Slaughter 'May Be Disastrous For US'

It is hard to fathom what could have gone through the mind of the US soldier in Afghanistan who put a gun to the foreheads of nine children and pulled the trigger, nine times.

But when its of their own, "more" human beings, its straight to what actually happend

Six UK Soldiers Killed In Afghanistan Blast

news.sky.com...

Absolutely ridiculous statement, maybe in your head, but in the "real world" certainly not, if you keep blaming the public they'll push back, its as simple as that.

The news story you and others are crying about not being reported is the major news headline in all the big national news papers and TV news channels, this story about this twisted kid splerting hatred has not been reported much at all in comparison, and for many reasons, the public are sick of this hatred towards there troops, and imho the reason he was arrested was to cool down the public with some form of action taken, the EDL are gaining so much support from all these outburst from the asian communities, and the very reason for that is because our governmen t just allows it to happen

Watch this clip to understand

www.bbc.co.uk...

reply to post by stumason


The hypocrisy, is that people condemning the guy for posting this., are posting on a page with the title headline that says:

Azhar Ahmed need to be killed for what he wrote on facebook the scum! people like this should not be in our county if their not going to support it! out with the scum!!!

Get what I mean by hypocrisy?

And it looks like brits should also be calling for this member to be tossed out of the army?

I am not a brit, so I don't know how it is there.

Originally posted by gladtobehere
Posting an opinion is now an arrestable offense?

Does the UK have a Bill of Rights or Constitution?

Guess we shouldnt expect much from a nation which has a history deeply rooted in imperialism, conquest, gun confiscations and more surveillance cameras than any other nation on Earth.

Do we have a constitution? Yes, it's called the Magna Carta. Yours is based on ours, but again, as you are an American, I have to accept that facts mean nothing when there's a chance to make some noise.

Have you ever heard of a place called Guantanamo Bay? Guam? AVI? These are all places many thousands of miles from the US that the US has decided to impose its rule on. You still have 40,000 troops occupying Japan, and nearly as many occupying Korea. You say you can't expect much from a nation "which has a history deeply rooted in imperialism", but when I look at your nation, all I see is imperialism in the past and right up to today.

Conquest? Have a look at some basic Latin American, African, Asian, and European History. What you will see is a massive number of nations who had their democratically elected governments deposed by the United States Government, only to be replaced by authoritarian dictatorships that favour the US. But it's a win, win situation, because once you have used the dictators you give power to, you get to invade their countries, rape their population and steal their resources. And you have the nerve to talk about the UK committing "conquest"? Stupid American fool.

Gun confiscations? Would you like to post some news stories about these confiscations. I can't remember them taking place, but that's probably because they didn't, and just like every American I have had the displeasure of meeting, you are so arrogant in your beliefs, you fail to see just how painfully wrong and stupid you are.

But for your benefit, and the benefit of all you ignorant yanks that still think we have no guns,

www.nra.org.uk...
www.nra.org.uk...

The UK NRA main website being the first link, the list of UK shooting clubs being the 2nd link.

Americans. International jokes and wastes of space since 1776.

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by Aim64C

 

I would have made the same rant if I knew I could get away with it.

Exactly, but the problem is, the public don't want to hear it, the government allows it under laws to an exstent but when it boarders on hatred, it becomes a problem, and should not be free to say, because of the problem in society it causes,

Heres how they protest it on our streets

please watch the clip
www.bbc.co.uk...

As you can see this is preaching hatred and the public will no longer stand for this

UK doesn't believe in freedom of speech. Home of the thought crime against political dissidents.

Originally posted by WarriorOfTheLight
Absolutely ridiculous statement, maybe in your head, but in the "real world" certainly not, if you keep blaming the public they'll push back, its as simple as that.

Zero. Substance.

The news story you and others are crying

I'm not crying. I'm exchanging information

... about not being reported is the major news headline in all the big national news papers and TV news channels

I don't doubt they are reporting it, but did you see HOW they are reporting it?
Somehow implying the incident is a disaster for the US FIRST before a disaster for the slaughter itself? Isn't that somewhat alarming to you? Is that what you call objective journalism?

this story about this twisted kid splerting hatred has not been reported much at all in comparison,

A FACEBOOK post by one guy, is different then the slaughter of 16 human beings, and therefore is different in the degree to which it is reported!

and for many reasons, the public are sick of this hatred towards there troops, and imho the reason he was arrested was to cool down the public with some form of action taken,

Maybe a part of the public is also sick and tired of innocent civilians dropping like flies for nothing but selfish interests masked by lies and deceit?

Watch this clip to understand

www.bbc.co.uk...

I can't watch the video, and frankly from what I've read on the page its going off topic. This is about freedom of speech being exercised by this man who is voicing his opinion on Facebook.

I don't know how many times I can recall people online calling for the extermination of muslims and creating a giant crater out of the middle east... why are they not brought to justice? Should they be?
I disagree
Both sides have the right to express their views regardless of how much I may disagree with their message UNLESS there is an specific evidence suggesting he is an imminent threat to the safety of others