The Bible and the war against God's true and only work.

reply to post by autowrench


Congratulations! IYou've written hundreds of words in posts on this topic now, and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM is incorrect in some way! Astonishing.

Also, who are you to warn someone to follow the T&C's.

reply to post by Elsha


Yes, the bible can be defended but I ask, 'should' it be?

In a book with so many contradictions I don't think I ought to be expected to take it too seriously.

Originally posted by Elsha
It's not as ignorant a statement as you think. There is an entire field dedicated to defending the bible. It's called apologetics. It deals with manuscript evidence, archeology, prophetic fulfillment and mathematical probability, history etc etc.

'Apologetics'? For bringing history - evidences of actions done and performed by our ancestors, or at least a group of people whom shared our planet, have to be 'apologetic' for such an act and LABELLED as such by you?

Perhaps we should label scientists and doctors, with their limited knowledge but yet new daily comprehensions as 'apologetics' too? And everyone who is connected with seeking for knowledge as well?

But then...what would define and label people like you whom rtake pride in ignorances and apathies?

No offence intended. Just that you brought up a funny personal unintelligent label to the discussion.

reply to post by SaturnFX


Oh Yes! Evolution is obviously the best explanation for the world we live in. Nothing exploded, then out of a slimey pool on planet earth, every living creature evolved! Oh YES! I'll stake my eternity on that, sound solid!

Happy to agree that the bible is an inspirational book (not mine but accept for others). To say it is Gods work - then infers that everything in the bible is absolutely and morally correct. If there is evidence in the book that a situation (any situation) could be handled better then this proves that the written word of God is fallible and hence either written by man or God is imperfect and therefore not God. Hope you follow the logic so far.....

I won't pick on the old testament as this is too easy (your god is a bully here who is happy to kill every living man and animal except 2 of each to revenge man's badness - what has e.g. the innocent tiger done to deserve early death via drowning).

However, I pick the wedding at Canae where at the end of the celebration, they were running out of alcohol so Jesus turned water into the finest wine - in a stroke condemning the Western world to alcohol abuse for the next millennia. Wouldn't it have been better if Jesus had come out with some marvellous speech that the guests did not need excess alcohol to enjoy themselves and tell them that a party is made by people not bybooze. To me that would have been a much higher moral victory.

reply to post by aardvark888


You don't even know what eternity is, let alone whether or not it exists for us after this life ends so you're puttig the cart before the horse by scrambling to save yourself as a precautionary measure.

reply to post by Vsc1981


hi i was curious and perhaps someone can shed some light on the matter but wasnt there evedince of earlier people than which the bible talks about i was sure that the standing stones found in gobeki tepi in turkey were dated 14000 years before jesus ?

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101


Look..the fact is you don't know what your talking about. It's really that simple....no offense. Did you know that Isaac Newton mathematically worked out the prophecy in Daniel chapter 9 and came to the conclusion that Jesus fulfilled the prophecy to the very day? Ya.....Newton....guy wrote commentaries on Daniel and Revelation. Full of MATH.........tip a the iceberg buddy tip a the iceberg

reply to post by Azadok

First, I refer you Genesis 1:26:
"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."
Note it said "us," not "I." There are others, like Isaiah 45:21-22:
".....for I am God, and there is no other"

But then,... we have these other Gods mentioned in the Bible:
Adrammelech II Kings 17:31 Sepharvite God.
Anammelech II Kings 17:31 Sepharvite God.
Ashima II Kings 17:30 Samaritan Moon Goddess.
Ashtoreth I Kings 11:05 Canaanite Goddess.
Baal I Kings 18:19 Canaanite God ("Lord") of
fertility, vegitation, and storms.
Baal-berith Judges 8:33 A regional variation/aspect of Baal.
Baal-peor Numbers 25:03 Moabite regional variation/aspect of
Baal.
Baal-zebub Luke 11:19 Philistine/Ekronian regional
variation/aspect of Baal.
Baalim I Kings 18:18 Canaanite Gods ("Lords"), a
collective of the different
aspects of Baa.
Bel Isiah 46:01 Assyrian/Babylonian/Sumerian God ("Lord").
Chemosh I Kings 11:07 Moabite war God.
Dagon I Samuel 05:02 Philistine/Ekronian/Babylonian God
of agriculture.
Diana of the Ephesians Acts 19:35 Ephesian moon and nature Goddess, ("Divine/Brilliant").
Jehovah Exodus 6:03 Hebrew God
Jupiter Acts 14:12 Roman God (possibly derived from
'Zeus-pater', Father Zeus).
Lucifer Isiah 14:12 ("Light-Bearer")
Mercurius Acts 14:12 Otherwise known as the Roman God
Mercury, God of communication and
travel, and messenger of the
Gods...which is probably why Paul
was called this at Lystra.
Milcom I Kings 11:05 Ammonite God
Molech I Kings 11:07 Ammonite God, also called Moloch,
most probably Baal-Hammon of Carthage.
Nebo Isiah 46:01 Assyrian/Babylonian/Chaldean God of
wisdom and writing, also called Nabu.
Nergal II Kings 17:30 Cuth/Assyrian/Babylonian war and
underworld God, also called Meshlamthea.
Nibhaz II Kings 17:31 Avites God
Nisroch II Kings 19:37 Assyrian God
Rimmon II Kings 05:18 Babylonian/Syrian storm God involved (as Ramman) with the Deluge, according to Hebrew texts; also known as Ramman/Rammon.
Succoth-benoth II Kings 17:30 Babylonian fertility Goddess ("She
Who Produces Seed"), also known as Zarpanitu/Zerpanitum.
Tammuz Ezekial 8:14 Assyrian/Babylonian God
Tartak II Kings 17:31 Avites God

You do notice how many of them insist on being called "Lord."

What can we derive from this? In what context are we to interpret this? Please, ....Azadok, ...your comments. I'd love to hear your explanations, and rationalizations. Look them up, they are all in there.

reply to post by viperdave


Nobody pushed anything on you - you don't have to be here reading this post. Sheesh!

Angry much. All the punching and everything!

reply to post by Garfee


Hundreds of fulfilled prophecies.

Done and done.

reply to post by aardvark888


You would be of service to me and I would be grateful for it, if you could give me a few major examples.

Originally posted by templar knight
However, I pick the wedding at Canae where at the end of the celebration, they were running out of alcohol so Jesus turned water into the finest wine - in a stroke condemning the Western world to alcohol abuse for the next millennia. Wouldn't it have been better if Jesus had come out with some marvellous speech that the guests did not need excess alcohol to enjoy themselves and tell them that a party is made by people not bybooze. To me that would have been a much higher moral victory.

I am glad that you take pleasure at least, at least in part of the new testaments as a fact, even if you lay blame on the Messiah, as it clearly demostrates yours and the few lack of comprehension in what you and them had been reading.

You see, saw, read but didn't comprehend, is the source of ignorances.

Don't just read the bible alone, but study the corresponding history of civilisations from other sources as well so that you many comprehend the acts performed.

Perhaps I will try, with a little patience on my part, to help illuminate just a tiny bit of that episode for your comprehension, with hope that you may go further to seek for the truth on your own, as that is the best education one can get, beliefs through your own comprehension, free will and not from others.

Water was scarce resource in those ancient days. As a result, many trusted wine, which can be assured of being treated properly compared to river or well water. There NEVER was any prohibation on wine, but ONLY THE EXCESS of it, which had long been originally taught since civilisation began, just as any other excesses that were detrimental to our health with the precious gift of life.

Having more wine for the masses by the Messiah was not an encouragement for excessive consumption, but only that NONE thirsted.

See how ignorances such as your had mis-interpretated civilisational teachings that had caused our downfall today?

reply to post by Garfee


You ask "Why doesn't everything just say "reverent awe" then?"

Oh I don't know - perhaps you're unfamiliar with the English language.

In 30 seconds, I found this dictionary definition of the word for you. You're welcome.

Respectful reverence for men of authority or worth.

reply to post by templar knight


You are a party pooper!

There was a need - Jesus met it! How would you expect a bunch of half-drunk revelers to react to a sermon? Maybe not the best time for that. Didn't Jesus give enough sermons for you.

What a misery!

Originally posted by aardvark888
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Oh Yes! Evolution is obviously the best explanation for the world we live in. Nothing exploded, then out of a slimey pool on planet earth, every living creature evolved! Oh YES! I'll stake my eternity on that, sound solid!

Ignorant post of the day award.

However, I pick the wedding at Canae where at the end of the celebration, they were running out of alcohol so Jesus turned water into the finest wine - in a stroke condemning the Western world to alcohol abuse for the next millennia. Wouldn't it have been better if Jesus had come out with some marvellous speech that the guests did not need excess alcohol to enjoy themselves and tell them that a party is made by people not bybooze. To me that would have been a much higher moral victory.

reply to post by templar knight


Wine is good for you and just maybe "wine" is not the same "wine" as we have today. i would say.... Jesus shows right here he is cooler than a fan!

Love me some Jesus....just NOT Religion.

reply to post by KJV1611

I found this thread by logging in, and going to "Recent Posts." It was really easy.

reply to post by Vsc1981


I don't know if troll but....

To say that the bible is god's work is ignorant in and of itself because there is simply no proof of that. It's a book that's centuries old and has been put together from the writings of various known and unknown people and also has been revised by people in power many many times. There's just no credibility to the bible.

In addition to that, I'd like to ask, if god loves unconditionally, then why does he/she/it threatens his "loved" creations with eternity in hell if they do not love him back? That is the same as a man threatening to torture a woman if she does not agree to marrying him. How, in any way, is that considered love? Just by that alone, any sane person with ethics can see how bizarre this whole thing really is.

reply to post by autowrench


The plurality of the language (let "us") in Genesis refers to The Son and the Holy Spirit.

As for all those other gods you listed - they are all false Gods. I don't think there is anyone who can't identify who the real God of the Bible is!

What's you're problem?