The Bible and the war against God's true and only work.

E=mc^2
1+1=2

That's GOD's work, to reveal the truth. Don't like that? Well then...

1+1=1
God=1
I'm=1
Therefore I'm GOD, now put your money in my offering plate or burn in hell.

reply to post by reitze


That is pretty close. Good analogy in many ways!!

I guess to illustrate the point. Jesus was killed because they tell he called or presented himself as god, and that was the ultimate Jewish sign for a faker, as nobody can be god and god can't be seen.

Jesus followers also went on to claim Jesus was god incarnate, so basically all of them were also killed, many by crucifiction.

The incinsistency was that Jesus was against the Babylon gang's methods of religion, yet that became his undoing as his disciples said he was god. And that also became their own undoing because they tried to make Jesus story immortal and they also died from the same shift into why Jesus became the messiah to correct the Babylon methods to make men gods.

It appears the disciples were not faithful to Jesus to such an extent their insanity had themselves killed, and so unfaithful to Jesus that they used the Babylon games for god that Jesus and the Eseene wanted to correct.

Now the infirm of mind in the US run round and round a cross that didn't exist (it is only referred to as a tree), and claim their man was god but has a nice bone box for his remains in his family tomb. It makes one wonder is the crucifiction all about fiction. Certainly the Cross isn't the Jesus symbol, only one for Rome.

Some thing goes with the other crazy miracles, as we've found Moses Mtn,, found the Red Sea Crossing, and those are all issues of nature's power from volcanic and rift effects, yet dumb Christian worship that as their god.


For crazy Christians god is sometimes a volcanic effect, other times a man that left his bones in a bone box, and mostly god was an invention in the minds of men to keep them running around confused, or in fear, but always the victim of those claiming power via untimate knowledge that came out to be just nonsense.

Those that really know God the best are the ones that walk in nature and see that hormony and try to stay in tune with nature, understand those natural forces, become stewards of keeping its alignment.

Else, when man not only polluted his own body and mind with unclean foods and nutty Christian beliefs that allowed the whole planet to become polluted we find the end times where nature's balance has been perverted by ignornace.

Then, the seasons are hard to find, the balances of nature to control the heat in the oceans is lost, the absorption of CO2 affected, and climate change produces extreme storms, then one sees that very few really knew God only slighty.

Then the crazy Christians untruth values get into causes for wars over money and power over others, and the same corruptions of Jesus values that killed he and his disciples, now will kill the Christians in massive wars that rise up because they continue the lies.

And the final equation is destruction by those that didn't know God in the slightest. They become nothing more than Beasts.

If you don't want to become a Beast, don't take anything on Faith and turn away from the nutty Christian games of making man God. Walk in the wildernesses far away from man and you will encounter God.

reply to post by reitze

Therefore I'm GOD, now put your money in my offering plate or burn in hell.

That's not even remotely close to the gospel, or in other words..

2 + 2 = 7,392

The corrupt church. Loaded with hucksters. Huge Fakers. Charletons. Tossing money into the wind. imho

Ripping off gullible little old ladies and gentlemen because they can. Religion is the biggest con game in the world:

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""""http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2119493/Private-jets-13-mansions-100-000-mobile-home-just-dogs-Televangelists-defrauded-tens-million-dolla rs-Christian-network.html"""""


Private jets, 13 mansions and a $100,000 mobile home just for the dogs: Televangelists 'defrauded tens of million of dollars from Christian network'

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During TBN's Praise-A-Thon earlier this month, a preacher exhorted viewers to bellow 'Fear not!' three times, count down from 10 and then rush to the phone with donations. In exchange, he said, they would receive a miracle from God 'about this time tomorrow.' Within seconds, all 200 phone lines were busy.

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'They could run a loss like the one they ran last year for an awfully long time before they would run out of money,' Mr Leonard said. 'They're basically taking money from old people and putting it in their pocket and living the high life.'


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reply to post by MagnumOpus


The people you are talking about are a tiny tiny tiny tiny faction of Pastors and those in Ministry. If your intention is to grill up a red herring, you have done well. People are just people, and as is true with any life in the public eye, you start off with good intentions and get carried away. When you do it in the name of Christ, it does have eternal consequences.

reply to post by MagnumOpus

Ripping off gullible little old ladies and gentlemen because they can. Religion is the biggest con game in the world:

We have:

Homeless Missions
Battered and Single Women Missions
Overseas Missions
We give away 10,000 lbs of food per month
We have a Christian School and will pay tuition for people who cannot afford it.

1. How do you suppose we pay for this?

2. Should we "shoplift for Jesus?"

3. What about those of us who LOVE to give to the Lord??

Originally posted by MarlboroRedCowgirl
reply to post by MagnumOpus

 

The people you are talking about are a tiny tiny tiny tiny faction of Pastors and those in Ministry. If your intention is to grill up a red herring, you have done well. People are just people, and as is true with any life in the public eye, you start off with good intentions and get carried away. When you do it in the name of Christ, it does have eternal consequences.

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Are they really that tiny or actually widespread after they notice Christians will bite into anything.

Don't they all carry crosses, which are more the signs of Rome than the Jesus religion. Crosses were the sign for Tammuz. Crosses are also pagan and about making Jesus look like a pagan Sun god theme.

Don't Christian churches celebrate Christmas on Numrod's birth day. Are not Easter Eggs, rabbits, and the like all items connected with Tammuz, but show up in churches on resurrection Sunday. Isn't reserruction itself one of Numrod and Tammuz. Isn't Sunday a carry over from Sun Worship and a Pagan theme for religion.


Essene Jesus was a the product of Mary and Joseph and he was conceived to address the wrongs in the Jewish Babylon Talmud where they like to play like the face of god. He failed because his disciples kept painting him as god and putting him out of the messiah and savior context. His own disciples cast him into the context of god, and that was why the Pharisee had him killed. Afterwards they kept this up and almost everyone of the disciples were killed, many crucified, spare one that wrote Revelations about all the crazy mess that those telling big lies causes.

I'd suggest all that old mess, was and is as bad as this Three Angles Broadcasting mess, and that most Christians fall into the same overall misleading context. Most Cristians follow pagan sun worship themes that are the anti-Christ, so dumb they are called The Beasts of the End Times, and they don't know Jesus values in the slightest, or they would not dress him up as Nimrod and Tammuz for pagan Sun-day. imho

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by MagnumOpus

 

We have:

Homeless Missions
Battered and Single Women Missions
Overseas Missions
We give away 10,000 lbs of food per month
We have a Christian School and will pay tuition for people who cannot afford it.

1. How do you suppose we pay for this?
2. Should we "shoplift for Jesus?"
3. What about those of us who LOVE to give to the Lord??

Homeless:
Isn't the reason some churches have homeless missions because they support a Govt that does not do its job, which was to provide jobs and homes for the people and not have outrageous fortunes rasised by foereign controlled ownership that cares not for the people.

Women issues:
Isn't that just more oversight by Govt., as even women need transportable jobs and a roof so they can move away from, divorce as may be needed, and not have to beg from the pagan church.

Oversea Missions:
Are not the invasions of churches seen as one in the same as evil, as one can recall the Budhist Monks that sat themselves on fire in Vietnam rather than fall into the realm of christian Nuns and Catholic Diem, who was killed over his Christianity. All Socialist countries see the church as a way to take over mens minds and undermine their way of governance. So Missionaries like John Birch were shot, Missionaries like Bill Wallace were shot. Most see the designs of Christian Catholicism was nothing more than the methods of Rome's games to install empire using religion.

Free Food:
If the abundance of America were routed into not making wars, putting a muzzle on the wealth of corporations taking profits from areas, insisting that excess wealth be returned to the area, then everyone would have a job and a roof on their heads. And there would be no need to a church to give away food. Churches giving away food ignores the root failures of a society and continue the process that makes people homeless, and forces many to beg for food. That such happens speaks to the church not really knowing how to get society into the better ways, and do an overall fix to the problems and not just a band-aide for one little area.

Pay Tuition:
In a properly run society, education should be free to all. California has the right idea.


I think the issue isn't how you as a single church pays for what should be the rights of every citizen, and you stand around with hands in pockets dumping out the occasional coil for band-aide fixes. Intelligent people would make it so every US citizen has a right to a job, a right to a roof over their heads, and a right for food. America has lots of abundance, more than enough to provide that to every American Citizen, if American was not allowed to be exploited by the extent of corportations bent on wars and destruction. Real religion that thinks in the concepts for addressing these problems think in terms of muzzle the oligarchic wealth machines that desires wars and destruction, and redirect all that wealth into providing for the general well being of the people.

Love of the Lord, is the ultimate put down for Jesus, it is what got him killed. Jesus is the Savior, a Messiah, not God, not the Lord. Jesus was also a servent to man and a healer of man. Those are the words of the anti-Christ and the church of the Beasts.


Most of what you called out are the games of churches to get IRS 501c3 category, which means the church pays no taxes on its wealth (buildings, property, vehicles, parish houses, etc.), and generally the preachers pay no income tax or very little. It is a way that churches free-load off of America and get paid off not to expose the bad issues of how Govts doesn't do their jobs of providing guaranteed transportable Jobs, guaranteed roofs on peoples heads, guaranteed food, guaranteed education. Churches insure the oligarchy's wealth, not the equlity of wealth.

And on top of all that churches get paid to tell eternal lies on the real message of Jesus, which would speak to Govt having to do these things for its citizens as part of its duty to every citizen. Even the Congress and Senate have become nothing but money hungry beasts, seeking not benelovence, not stewardship, not being a servent to all others, not even equality for the citizens or at least a certain low.

Show us the yearly budget for your church, the money and other values given to your preachers, show us the parish houses and areas, and the degree of opulence in your church, and I'll show you the Children of Satan and Babylon's ways.

Originally posted by NotAnAspie
speaking of lesser creations, how ironic that mere men would not recognize a God and have the audacity to hang him on a cross as even less than most men.

Maybe men are just blind... oh wait, that's not the first time this has been mentioned.

Not just men, but a specific type of man. Religious men, who couldn't see passed their own noses to see that their God was walking amoung them, and all because of one technicality...he rode into Jerusalem on an ass instead of a white horse. Jesus fulfilled the Feast of Trumpets that day, and the jews failed their test. They were found asleep by the thief in the night.

Originally posted by MagnumOpus

Homeless:
Isn't the reason some churches have homeless missions because they support a Govt that does not do its job, which was to provide jobs and homes for the people and not have outrageous fortunes rasised by foereign controlled ownership that cares not for the people.

Women issues:
Isn't that just more oversight by Govt., as even women need transportable jobs and a roof so they can move away from, divorce as may be needed, and not have to beg from the pagan church.

Oversea Missions:
Are not the invasions of churches seen as one in the same as evil, as one can recall the Budhist Monks that sat themselves on fire in Vietnam rather than fall into the realm of christian Nuns and Catholic Diem, who was killed over his Christianity. All Socialist countries see the church as a way to take over mens minds and undermine their way of governance. So Missionaries like John Birch were shot, Missionaries like Bill Wallace were shot. Most see the designs of Christian Catholicism was nothing more than the methods of Rome's games to install empire using religion.

Pay Tuition:
In a properly run society, education should be free to all. California has the right idea.

edit on 25-3-2012 by MagnumOpus because: Those that fail the Jesus values and are not truthful servents toward all people

Ok...first of all I went to California public schools and a few parocial schools my entire grade school education, and 2 years of my collegiate education. Jerry Brown has cut billions of dollars in California's education system in the past 2 years alone. The California public school system is nearly totally bankrupt. Children in public schools do not get a well-rounded education, the teachers are inundated with huge class sizes. Half of the students don't speak English and arn't taught it. This is your "ideal" school system? The college system is not better, tuituion hikes and outrageous fees have made attending some private schools cheaper than the state run Cal States. I have a friend who attends Cal State Fullerton, and he pays $280 dollars for a parking pass. Per semester. I am grateful that my Mom sent me to a Parocial Catholic high school, at least I was able to recieve a decent education.

Here in Texas, teenagers attend high school on the campus of a college, and graduate with a high school diploma and a associates degree. If you ask me, that's advanced. The bachelors degree is about equivilant to a high school diploma in most professional carrers. These kids have a chance to be ahead of the game.

Second of all, your argument on battered woman's shelter is so ridiculously assanine, the the extant that I can't quite understand it. Why don't you learn a little bit about learned helplessness, add it to the vast expance of information you know in your head but not your heart.

Third of all, all political mumbo-jumbo aside, churches do not "support" the government. Financhially. Churches, and for that matter all religous temples and organizations, are 40c-3 non-profit coorperations. All money donated to churches is untaxed.

It's amazing how someone can be so knowledgable and know so little.

Sounds like you left off one big issue----churches cannot take part in Govt., else they loose their free-loading tax bracket.


So, what do we see from the Christian Community but those who sit on their hands, they are disenfranchised from doing any real goods. They have been corned into letting god handle everything and saying prayers to mother nature that doesn't have ears for man, as man was supposed to listen to nature's order for hormony.


All the world doesn't call Jesus as any god, as Book of Barnabas, Islam, Thomas Jefferson's Bible, Diests, and all persons of science tell that those that tel Jesus is god live in a fantansy land that is put down by all the world, but for those parts seeking Empire, Kings, and economic dominance over others.


It is time for Christian fantasy land to be denied any popular following and called what it has become---delusional. imho Look around California and you find what the Mega-Churches have done, nothing but enriched themselves. We can't find the influences of Jesus teachings of being servants toward others. Drugs running wild, gangs all around, not even affordable healh care as one finds in Cuba. Cuba outperforms American on health care, which is all about highway robbery in the US.

Could it be that Church ideas have gone to the dogs, they don't even get Jesus imagery right. No true American that believes in being pro-active, taking part in America, fixing the problems, etc. can afford to invest any time in the churches insanity to disenfranchises them all and makes them look pagan in the international front.

Those that really want to fix the problems on a national scale pay any attention to the church types sitting on their hands listing to songs and dropping coins on a plate that doesn't really improve the failings of Govt. Churches did an outstanding job for promoting the war on Iraq, the war on Iran, that nutty pagan concepts of god are benevolent that just doesn't wash.

Churches are totally worthless in terms of fixing all the problem due to their money grubbing tax status. And your peachers have no clothes.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Not just men, but a specific type of man. Religious men, who couldn't see passed their own noses to see that their God was walking amoung them, and all because of one technicality...he rode into Jerusalem on an ass instead of a white horse. Jesus fulfilled the Feast of Trumpets that day, and the jews failed their test. They were found asleep by the thief in the night.

The church of today is the Bride of the Harlots, the Synagodue for Satan.

The church can only return to Jesus after they clean their buildings of the teachings of Babylon, and then become perhaps pious and clean enough to enter contract with Jesus.

As it stands now the churches are the Whore, unclean, and supporting the theme movie on Good Christian "Women that act like dogs". imho

www.foxnews.com...


The World doesn't find the Christian as moral, nor pious on the word of Jesus.

reply to post by MagnumOpus


Megachurches like Calvary Chapel? There are over 1,000 Calvary Chapels, I would call that "mega-church" status. And the "charlaton" pastor? Chuck Smith drove a crappy car for most of his ministry and takes an extreemly modest salary. Her refused to buy a better car until a member of his church who owned a car dealership gave him one.

You cannot overgeneralize an entire group of people who share an occupation or a lifestyle by a few bad apples. Doing so is ingornace in the highest.

I know people who have given up seven figure jobs to work in prisions and with drug adicts. They gave up their lives in the pursuit of giving other's a chance at life. To group them in with people who have private jets and book contracts is utterly ridiculous.

When you live a life for God, you meet the people who are ACTUALLY his hands and feet. Not the people the rest of the world sees.

Originally posted by MarlboroRedCowgirl
reply to post by MagnumOpus

 

When you live a life for God, you meet the people who are ACTUALLY his hands and feet. Not the people the rest of the world sees.

When I see those that walk in the wilderness and come to know mother nature's ways, I well see those that know a little bit on God as they follow what they learned and don't expect the all knowing to change.

When I see those that know Jesus, I will find those that know being servents to others without excessive reward for themselves, offering the higher truth, having no pretense for man being God, and that will be called good.

When I see The Few going beyond the church walls to call others to these simple truths that return the world to the kinder and gentler times with no wars and unified truths, no Royal's attempts to blot equality of wealth, we shall speak of heaven on Earth and Christ's values correctly upheld. Then, all the world shall be Blessed.


---Magnum Opus' Trinity for the world to be blessed 3-25-2012



When on arrives in heaven one may not hear trumpets on high, nor see angels wings, not a spirit in sight, but you can hear the Elton John Song about You'll Be Blessed:

www.metrolyrics.com...

reply to post by MagnumOpus

The World doesn't find the Christian as moral, nor pious on the word of Jesus.

I would hope not, the world murders 40 million unborn babies a year and this is in the U.S. alone. The world wants to let homosexuality into the church. The world promotes pornography amoung many other things. I wouldn't want to be found "moral" as defined by the world by any means. The world has swapped morality for immorality, and has renamed immorality into morality and promotes lies as opposed to truth.

Jesus did not come bearing peace, he came bearing a sword, the Sword of Truth to cleave the righteous from the wicked.

You look around and see only those christians who claim to be on of us, being unworthy, and you gernalize and accuse everyone else and this is called "bearing false witness" when you do not know every christian. Judge not lest you be judged, forgive and you shall have foriveness, be merciful and you shall have mercy.

Shalem

I saw a whole lot of Christians sitting on their thumbs over this TV Evangelism getting so brazen, and worse with every scandal. Christians appeared silent. When one became so impure all the world takes notice and associates it with those that said nothing to correct these wayward scams.

Catholics in high places becoming pedophiles, and the Pope playing cover up. How did that become so rampant and not one noticed. It was because they were not Jane Fonda's

Then we see the Jane Fonda and crew saying what needed to be said to dump Rush Limbaugh off the airways. Jane has always been pro-active, even on Vietnam. Good men and women are not called to be silent

It is time for another song:

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What this dying world could use is a willing Man of God
Who dares to go against the grain and works without applause;
A man who'll raise the shield of Faith, protecting what is pure;
Whose love is tough and gentle; a man whose word is sure.

God doesn't need an Orator who knows what just to say;
He doesn't need authorities to reason Him away;
He doesn't need an army to guarantee a win;
He just needs a Few Good Men.

Men full of Compassion, who Laugh and Love and Cry-
Men who'll face Eternity and aren't afraid to die-
Men who'll fight for Freedom and Honor once again-
He just needs a Few Good Men.

He calls the broken derelict whose life has been renewed;
He calls the one who has the strength to stand up for the Truth.
Enlistment lines are open and He wants you to come in-
He just needs a Few Good Men.

Men full of Compassion, who Laugh and Love and Cry-
Men who'll face Eternity and aren't afraid to die-
Men who'll fight for Freedom and Honor once again-
He just needs a Few Good Men.

Men full of Compassion, who Laugh and Love and Cry-
Men who'll face Eternity and aren't afraid to die-
Men who'll fight for Freedom and Honor once again-
He just needs a Few Good Men.

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Revelations predicts the churches will fall into Satan's world, yet some would not like to see this openly exposed.

Everyone reads and everyone forms an opinion, so let the news of corruption in the churches go forth.

From TV Evangelism beig out of control to the very Papacy of the Vatican, there is a universal move toward debauchery. Has the church married itself to Soddom and Gomorrah, and they can't find Jesus for he left the building long ago.

Now we have Good Christian Women on TV, and the Vatican is the pimp for the Pope's house of ill repute:

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www.guardian.co.uk...

Vatican hit by gay sex scandalVatican chorister sacked for allegedly procuring male prostitutes for papal gentleman-in-waiting


Since 1995, he has been a member of one of the world's most exclusive fraternities – the Gentlemen of His Holiness, or Papal Gentlemen, the ceremonial ushers of the papal household. In the words of a 1968 ordinance, they are expected to "distinguish themselves for the good of souls and the glory of the name of the Lord".

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reply to post by MagnumOpus


If, if, if, if, if,if if, and IF...


You didn't answer my Qs, but blamed most on the government which we have no control over. The election is in November, homeless people need clothes and blankets TODAY. Battered women and orphans need assistance/housing TODAY. Missionaries in other countries needs funds TODAY. Hungry people need food for their families TODAY.

We don't ask questions, we see a need and do everything in our power to meet those needs. SO how do we pay for these things all around us that need addressed TODAY????

reply to post by MarlboroRedCowgirl


Dear God, now he's attacking Chuck Smith from Costa Mesa?? One of the greatest pastors and shepherds in modern Christianity.

reply to post by MarlboroRedCowgirl

I know people who have given up seven figure jobs to work in prisions and with drug adicts. They gave up their lives in the pursuit of giving other's a chance at life. To group them in with people who have private jets and book contracts is utterly ridiculous.

My pastor was drafted by the Chicago Cubs but turned it down because he felt led to start a tiny church here in Indianapolis.

What a jerk right? Mark Driscoll didn't take a salary for 3 years, and him and Grace could not afford heat for their little apartment. He writes 3-4 books a year and gives every penny to Mars Hill, his church.

Some people never realize that parading the rare exception to the rule to try and convince everyone that the exception is the definition to that rule is a monumental fallacy of logic.