Harper's promise fulfilled as House passes crime bill

Harper's promise fulfilled as House passes crime bill

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After prematurely celebrating passage of their omnibus crime bill last week, the federal Conservatives have finally managed to push the controversial piece of legislation through Parliament.

The final vote in the House of Commons on Monday means Prime Minister Stephen Harper has fulfilled his commitment to get the legislation passed within the first 100 days of this session.

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Harper has managed to put through his "tough on crime bill" which will make Canada's prison population increase due to new sentencing laws included.

This piece of legislation has been opposed by a number of groups, including, the Canadian Bar Association.

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1. Ignoring reality. Decades of research and experience have shown what actually reduces crime:
(a) addressing child poverty, (b) providing services for the mentally ill and those afflicted with
FASD, (c) diverting young offenders from the adult justice system, and (d) rehabilitating prisoners,
and helping them to reintegrate into society. Bill C-10 ignores these proven facts.

US politicians have even cited the failed "tough on crime" system employed in the States, warning Canada of the same misstep.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

No matter what though, the Tories have succeeded in their agenda, leaving Canadians to watch and wait, seeing the outcome and costs of these new measures.

No cost outlook has been provided by the Harper government to let the public know what the economic toll of this law will be.



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Minutes from the Senate hearing.

Link to bill.

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:sigh: We need a new thread titled, "Ignorance Epidemic!"

Disheartening stuff, but thanks for the heads-up. S&F&

I have heard a lot of prisons are privatizing up here as well. If this is true, we are in some real trouble. Seems canadian thugs in government has seen the cashcow that for profit "justice" system is, and wants in on that gravy train

Here is an ambiguous change to legislation included in the bill:

(4) An institutional head may, in writing, authorize a staff member to search the vehicles at a penitentiary if the institutional head has reasonable grounds to believe that

(a) there is a clear and substantial danger to the security of the penitentiary or the life or safety of persons because evidence exists that there is contraband at the penitentiary or that a criminal offence is being planned or has been committed at the penitentiary; and

(b) it is necessary to search the vehicles in order to locate and seize the contraband or other evidence and to avert the danger.

This essentially states that the Warden can sign a piece of paper and have a visitors car search when visiting a relative inside an institution.

Charter of rights.... Protection against unlawful search and seizure what?

good ole' harper, bush-lite is following his delusional dream of being american by throwing harmless pot users in jail, tying up police resources looking for people growing a lousy 6 plants of pot and taking up valuable prison space that should be used to incarcerate violent rapists and murderers and the rest of the scum that walk the earth.

why is canada so f-cked up. canada is supposed to be america without the bullsh-t. now canadians will feel how it's like to be american.

congratulations, you got your wish.

canada is now going to waste valuable resources, judges, the rcmp, prosecutors and prisons to protect you from someone smoking pot.

Reading the senate minutes its more like everyone spoke against the bill....the time allotted, and the poorly researchd bill itself.......
This is a strictly political piece of legislation which has no basis in reality nor does it address the criminal situation......
harper is one arrogant SOB...hes gota go folks.....we will only get far more repressive legialation from this little hitler

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Well obviously Harper has stock and friends in the prison building and management industry. His boy, Russell Williams, is there now to give him advice on the inside track.

I'd say, another election soon isn't soon enough, but we all know what we'll get. The same old crap controlled by the same old scumbags, just with different names and colours. Why can't Harper just resign like the 200 plus other asshats in the last two months?

We really need to secede from the UK and shut down the Bank of Canada. Only then will we get deficits under control, social equality, true rights/freedoms, real progress and get rid of the parasite in government like harper and merry clowns of yesasses.

Cheers - Dave

Originally posted by randomname
canada is now going to waste valuable resources, judges, the rcmp, prosecutors and prisons to protect you from someone smoking pot.

edit on 12-3-2012 by randomname because: (no reason given)

Hey, I only do the hard chemicals like ibuprofen, acetaminophen and aspirin.

When the hard chemicals are outlawed, only the outlaws will have hard chemicals!

Seriously however, you do realize how much money the government makes through its black op programs selling pot, hash, coc aine, heroin, etc. both domestically and internationally right? The numbers are huge. They need these funds to cover the bribes they pay to international bankers, otherwise, we as a country would be bankrupt. I hope you realize the stock market and dollar values are all phony and non-supportable in a court of law.

Plus with the government getting involved a few years back in the "medicinal pot" battles, they have to create laws that allow them to destroy their competition. Which is actually illegal as under monopolies and combines legislation, no single corporation is legally allowed to control any single market. The government IS a corporation.

In addition, creating laws to protect ones own interests, is under law, a conflict of interest, potentially malfeasance when a "value" is involved, fraud by association (BOC + CRA as agents, etc) and dereliction of fiduciary obligation. And since there are a huge number (like all) of MP's, MPP's, Senators, etc. and other sundry politicians who actually support and discuss these measures then put these bogus laws into effect, they are all involved in a conspiracy to commit crimes involving fraud and racketeering, in many cases murder as both directed by and as accomplice.

Cheers - Dave

What bothers me about this bill is that the first thing mentioned is going after pedophiliacs and child porn. Well I support this, and I'm sure 99.9 % of everybody else supports this. But they also bundled in a lot of other changes with the bill, and few people will ever read all of them.

It's a sneaky way to change a whole bunch of laws, by combining them all in one bill like this.

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You ever tried visiting someone in a US prison? They can strip search you there....

Originally posted by TKDRL
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You ever tried visiting someone in a US prison? They can strip search you there....

I haven't. I understand the reasoning behind the searches (preventing the introduction of contraband) however, I can't agree with it. In this case it is aimed at the vehicles of the families visiting.

Now the vehicles being searched doesn't seem that bad...

I thought the idea was to punish the people convicted of crimes though, not their families.

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You want to know what I think the real behind the scenes reasoning is for this kind of nonesense? Make family, friends not want to visit, keep the convict feeling isolated. It makes the odds of them thinking their family don't care go through the roof. They are trying to make sure they take up crime for life. That is my theory anyway.

They never proved the need to introduce these "new measures to ensure the security and safety of the internet".
If you're a pedophile they can catch you using key words RIGHT NOW. How do you think they have been catching them all long? lol

I am for "catching the bad guys" and all, but I am certainly not going to give up my liberties and rights for security.

For the next generation,,
you might want too look into, the DNA, part of the new CODE.

just a heads up,, cause its now against the LAW,
even if there was a DNA DATA BASE on every CANADIAN.
too even mention it,,,, shhhhh its against the law.,,,

really.

Me.

There's hope Harper's going to go, RCMP's and Election Canada apparently have now over 30 000 cases of the "RoboGate" voting fraud and are investigating it thoroughly he won majority by a very slight margin so if this can prove that its what help him win another election will be called and he's screwed,

Now the question is are those bills going to be automatically voided if he gets kicked out??? Now both Liberals and PC are throwing themselves the ball since they are both implicated and I have a feeling this is going to turn into a "If I can't get it you won't neither" scenario and s*** will hit the fan...

Could be a great thing for Canada as if both party can be proven involved it would show the nation the true face of Liberals and PC which would open the way for other parties whom have been overshadowed for years.

A full time government exists to write laws. Some make sense and some don't.

Those that don't probably mean a group of connected people have something to gain.

I am thinking all the legal systems are complicated so that you need to pay a lawyer as often as possible.

"Tough on" anything is an illusion and always conservative. Conservatives tend to be hypocrites!

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You're right of course, it doesn't matter which party is in power. Look up Paul deMaraise and PowerCorp. Then look up his associations with the Bilderbergers, tri-lats, CFR, BOC, Wall Street and the Rothschilds. It's pretty revealing to see how our government is manipulated and controlled.

Cheers - Dave

I like the idea of putting more civilian failures behind bars...but this won't be supported fiscally of socially unfortunately.