UFO caught in Skiing photo Mammoth Peak Ca.

reply to post by zorgon


Trying to check out the pix but I can't,

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You don't have permission to access /images/news/M/MammothSkiSilverDisc2004.jpg on this server.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

Can you upload them to ATS and report em?

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by Denied
Hi Zorgon, link to image dont work :

That is odd it works fine for me and they display in the post for me

Try the google short link
goo.gl...

Ahh cool, it seems I wasn't alone in not being able to view the pix. If that craft is real it's huge!

reply to post by crazyshady


No, one can't prove an internet jpeg image has been faked or manipulated because the jpeg compression method does a good job at unifying the same lossy compression throughout. One can really mess up by having a different lighting source or effective resolution mismatch and atmospheric haze miscalculations, which all seem kinda apparent in this image. But no, without the source data nothing can be 'proved'.

In really bad Photoshop jobs one can find threshold mismatches, sometimes subtile. I challenge anyone to find a merge flaw in my avatar.

Originally posted by crazyshady
Can anyone here actually prove something is fake rather than just typing about why they think it is fake?

Here's the deal. Nobody has to. It really doesn't matter if it's real or fake, because it doesn't mean anything either way. Maybe it's real. Maybe it's a real hubcap. So what? Does it show an alien/time traveler craft? Impossible to tell.

So you can choose to "believe" it if you want to, but what are you believing? That something solid was in the air at that moment and it was captured on camera? Again, so what? What does that get you?

reply to post by Illustronic

reply to post by Illustronic


That's not true at all. We bust hoaxers here on a regular basis even when all they provide is a single .jpg image.

Here's an example of one:

www.abovetopsecret.com...



p.s. This Mammoth Peak Ca. UFO pic comes from Earthfiles, so of course it's fake!

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by Denied
Hi Zorgon, link to image dont work :

That is odd it works fine for me and they display in the post for me

Try the google short link
goo.gl...

That picture looks Photoshopped....HOAX, I SMELL HOAX!!

Edit: Also, where is the SHADOW of the UFO??? Surely there must be one somewhere, as it is hovering above snow....or isn't it???

Originally posted by Aarcadius
could be a Frisbee or something similar thrown off shot and they didnt notice...

and YES i have seen frisbee's that even i thought were too ufo looking.

anyway a little off topic but not really.

i have a question to put to ATS in zorgons thread =\ i'm sorry but perfect spot.
lets say that there are many alternate dimensions right. and these aliens mastered the ability to move from one dimension to another... keep up with me here ok?

What if these fake looking UFOs are not fake at all? we haven't mastered multi dimensions... how do we know what a craft that can travel at the speed of light, jump from planet to planet maybe even travel through dimensions looks like? maybe it looks fake because we don't understand multi dimensions well enough to accept that strange and out of place things aren't always fake but in the wrong dimension?

wow ok that was harder to explain then i thought i hope you guys get what im trying to say.


thanks OP for sharing.

Not sure if you're serious? Frisbees on a skii slope..

And even if it was a frisbee, it would take hundreds, if not thousands of attempts to get a shot of the frisbee right inbetween those mountain peaks. Which would mean either taking a truck load of frisbees up a mountain, or throwing it, skiing down and collecting it, and slowly walking back up ready for another attempt.

I don't like saying this, but too many people on this site suggest ridiculous things when if they had just sat and thought about it for a minute, they would realise it's a terrible comment / suggestion.

Had a look at the image on PS. I'd say it was shopped, but the light does match the angle of the shadows of the trees, and if the object was moving (being a UFO I'll assume it was), then the blur would roughly match up for a 1/100th-1/400th second shutter speed.

But it could have easily been photoshoped into the image within minutes.

Added another UFO to it, wasn't the most suitable image, but gives people an idea of how easy it could have been done in longer than 5 minutes.

reply to post by Blue Shift


Well, until a UFO is put on display where anyone who wants to can go up to it, and take a tour inside, pics and videos are all we've got. Since these can, and have been, faked, you can say why bother. We bother because we learn how to better tell the fakes from the unknowns, so we're not easily fooled. And we wait for the one that proves/disproves UFOs. That's worthwhile.

reply to post by zorgon


Zorgon,

Found these photos from another sighting at Mammoth Mountain
in 2001.

Take a look see what you think.

three photos (one photo and two enlargements) of an unidentified (flying?) object. These were taken recently in Mammoth, CA, by Mr. Ron Reznick, a computer tech and professional photographer. To date the object has not been identified. As certain questions as to the authenticity of the photo(s) is sure to come into question, I am including a statement from Ron that he emailed to me as well as the web address where he displays his various photos. Unlike me, he has no particular interest in UFO's and such. So, while I'm happy that he got the picture...I'm also just a little bit jealous!

www.rense.com...


image credit


There are several more photos at the link...

Ron's letter in response to questions regarding the possibility of defects or hoax:

The camera is a Nikon D1... a very professional $5000 digital SLR. The lens is a new Nikkor 17-35mm f/2.8D AF-S EDIF in perfect condition. This is without doubt one of the world's finest wide-angle lenses and is a very expensive lens (I paid $1500 for it a few days before the trip) -- it is most certainly the best wide angle zoom lens available, and I have tested it against a 24mm f/2.8D Nikkor, which is also recognized as one of the few very exceptional wide angle prime lenses.

The quality is nearly as good as the prime. There are most certainly no defects in either the camera or the lens. The original image was shot RAW (.nef format). The unique characteristic of this format is that it is a 12-bit raw data dump from the CCD, and is only capable of being written by the D1's CCD (charge-coupled device) imager -- it cannot be written or edited by external software. The RAW format is accepted as evidence by courts, whereas any other format can be altered.

reply to post by burntheships

sonic boom cone with afterburner burning gases being forced to the penumbra of the cone? Is penumbra the right word? Been listening to a lot of reggae lately lol

Originally posted by TrueInstinct
Had a look at the image on PS. I'd say it was shopped, but the light does match the angle of the shadows of the trees, and if the object was moving (being a UFO I'll assume it was), then the blur would roughly match up for a 1/100th-1/400th second shutter speed.

But it could have easily been photoshoped into the image within minutes.

Added another UFO to it, wasn't the most suitable image, but gives people an idea of how easy it could have been done in longer than 5 minutes.

edit on 12-3-2012 by TrueInstinct because: (no reason given)

You should taken out the UFO from the original image and sent the picture back where it originated. The one you made looks more believable.

reply to post by ezekielken


I'm more inclined to believe it is a Nephilim out for a Sonday cruise though!! Second line big sorrowful lol

reply to post by ezekielken


I see your talking to your self, and
I decided not to interfere.

Enjoy!

It is obviously that this in none other than Sonny Bono's soul searching for another tree to crash into.

Linda just posted follow up on the website. Apparently the family that took the UFO photo sent her a video of their leaving the ski lodge, And this was what they encountered