US soldier kills Afghan civilians in Kandahar

reply to post by Garfee


The latest news is it was a group of soldiers doing the shooting not just one, they apparently were drunk and laughing as they shot everyone in sight and then burnt the bodies, hold on to your hats for the next round, i am sure a feeble apology is not going to appease a whole bunch of people this time

Originally posted by seiva7

Originally posted by Another10Pin

I can't respond to today's military leadership. But I can point you to 1983, Beruit, Lebanon. When they blew up the barracks, the sentry's were not locked and loaded. You know why? Talk about leadership ... political leadership ... civilian leadership.

edit on 2012/3/11 by Another10Pin because: .

now we're talking!
united in hate, aren't you?

(fast edit but I saw it:lol

edit on 11-3-2012 by seiva7 because: to inform the guy that I saw his hate talk

As far as the edit, yes, I took it out. As I was writing my reply, the old anger swelled up and I wrote it. But as you noticed, I corrected myself by taking it down? What makes you angry?

As far as your first two lines, maybe you can be as direct as you were about my edit? Otherwise, I have no idea what you are talking about?

Edit: Please, don't concern yourself with a response. I just went through your posts on this thread. I have your answers.

reply to post by dreamstalker


Where did you hear that it was multiple men? I have more confidence in our soldiers than that. I read on CNN (a reliable source) that it was one man who just broke.

As a citizen of USA this story angers me and makes me embarrassed to call myself an American...... My condolences to the Afghanistan families that are being tormented by these psychopaths.... I hope the US law comes down hard on these fools.....

Hope this isnt true.

Hard to believe anything that the msm brings out.

FF????

Originally posted by julmarie
reply to post by dreamstalker

 

Where did you hear that it was multiple men? I have more confidence in our soldiers than that. I read on CNN (a reliable source) that it was one man who just broke.

There were conflicting reports about how many shooters were involved, with U.S. officials asserting that a lone soldier was responsible. Witness accounts said there were several U.S. soldiers involved.

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Here is a contradicting quote. Slip up or misquote?

Isaf Deputy Commander Lt Gen Adrian Bradshaw said: "I wish to convey my profound regrets and dismay at the actions apparently taken by one coalition member in Kandahar province.

"I cannot explain the motivation behind such callous acts, but they were in no way part of authorised Isaf military activity."

The US embassy in Kabul also issued an apology, saying: "We deplore any attack by a member of the US armed forces against innocent civilians, and denounce all violence against civilians.

"We assure the people of Afghanistan that the individual or individuals responsible for this act will be identified and brought to justice."

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reply to post by emberscott


So far that seems very circumstantial, the second example you provided ("they were") I believe was talking specifically about the multiple acts (multiple shootings) not necessarily multiple people. And if there were multiple soldiers involved, it seems very sketchy to me that the previous post claiming that they were drunk and laughing was 100% accurate since all the information is still very conflicting and that had such explicit details.

Originally posted by seiva7
reply to post by Golf66

 

Internet tough guy, aren't you?

who else would you "gun down"?

Nope, not a tough guy at all - I did serve in the Army for 24 years though 17 of that in Special Forces.

I would indeed shoot someone who drew a weapon and shot at a couple officers in the HQ regardless of their nationality. I have worked with good Soldiers from many nations in many different Headquarters and would do so to protect them from an assailant.

I have more combat experience than I care to. I have killed more people than I care to with all manner of weapons from aircraft to artillery and up close and personal. It is not something to be proud of just something that was necessary.

I do not revel in it - it is not a game but I would indeed not hesitate to do it again to protect my family, fellow soldiers, or a stranger on the street if need be.

The Evil they do to make them start a big war?
with america is unbelivable.

first they burn their bible now this!
all to provoke them.

just so later they can say They started it!!!

Cant remember his name but a guy went up a bell /clock tower somewhere in Texas in the 50s .He barricaded himself in after murdering a couple of employees.He was armed to the teeth multiple weapons an loads off ammo..He was an ex soldier I think and an excellent marksman,He began snipeing at random people an killed many.When he was eventually shot by police whom stormed the clock tower .At his home I think they found either his Mother or Wife also murdered by him.He had been telling a therapist for months he had an urge to go up the tower an shoot people.An autopsy was performed an a large tumour the size off an apple was found in his brain in the cortexs that store impulse emotions ect.Maybe this soldier has done many tours an been exposed to depleated uranium could be he has a tumerous brain cancer.,,,Although some of the villagers are reporting that more than one American soldier was involved ..Taliban could have spiked there water with hallucigenics or he may have pdsd.

reply to post by Golf66


Thats a good copy sir.

Lead the way if need be. Through hell we can stroll, if only you will allow me to stop and smell the roses from time to time.......

Backbone!!!!

reply to post by Bakatono


I was in Iraq as well in 2006 and 2007. I only did one tour overseas but we were there for 14 months. I was single then. I have a family now. I couldn't imagine going on another tour I would probably go crazy being away from my new family for more than a few days...

Originally posted by buddha
The Evil they do to make them start a big war?
with america is unbelivable.

first they burn their bible now this!
all to provoke them.

just so later they can say They started it!!!

People are capable of anything.

This is a fact, it doesn't matter what side. The other side always does just as bad.

Originally posted by Golf66

Originally posted by Canadianpride420

I know justice won't be served, but this sick individual needs to be beaten to death by the families of the victims. This is a massacre. How would you feel in their shoes..16 or more innocent people are no longer on this earth because of the ignorant and horrific actions of this so called 'soldier.

I agree with you that justice should be meted out.

However, to differ on one point ironically one of the reasons we are there is to prevent people from being "beaten to death" in the streets for crimes like it’s the 7th century all over again. Is that what justice is in Canada?

He will in my prediction be Court Martialed and ultimately spend the rest of his life behind bars in Leavenworth Prison as is the case with all Soldiers found guilty of murder.

Don't tell me you are there to prevent people being beaten to death..This story is one example of that. You have made matters so much worse. Afghanistan was not the opium producing capital of the world before 2001. I don't know how much some people need to see before they realize why you are there, and frankly almost find it laughable some think they are improving life for Afghans, you want to help? GET OUT!

Do you think the laws in the US and Canada serve justice? I sure as hell don't. And in my opinion, that soldier spending ten years or even life in jail is not justice for killing 9 children, 3 women and 4 men who were at home sleeping in bed. He shouldn't be allowed to live another day. He took 16 lives, what right does he have to live his.

reply to post by Canadianpride420


America is doing terrible things there but guess what? If we leave someone else will just take our place in that part of the world, like russia or china. There is not much oil left and even if they lie to keep people calm, the leaders know this inside.


That part of the world will never know peace from here on out becuase the need for oil will get worse and worse. If its not America in there making life hell it will be whoever the next big power is and I doubt it will be any better. Not to excuse Americans for war crimes but look at the big picture.

Originally posted by EvanB
reply to post by spy66

 

Honour??? From YOU???

No thanks..

You call us dicks and scum... Why the hell should we give a rats ass what YOU think of us??

It IS NOT ABOUT YOU MORON! It is about the guy next to us.. Do you think that we fight for YOU??

Do you honestly think that we are that deluded to think we are fighting for some great cause, like our nations??

Not on your life mate!

We fight for each other and our unit... Period.. THAT is where we get our "honour" from not from the likes of you hypocrites who vote for the morons who send us to those places in the first place!

YOU ARE TO BLAME.... YES YOU THE VOTER!... YOU PUT US THERE... WE DID NOT SUDDENLY DECIDE TO JUST TURN UP THERE AND START SHOOTING... If you want to blame someone, look in the mirror you hypocrites!!... Blood is on YOUR hands too as surely as mine .. Your vote put me there..

We are trained killers whose job it is to do YOUR political will...

SUCK UP SOME GUILT...

THAT has got to be the most hypocritical bunch of garbage I have ever laid eyes on. So your telling me, that the average voter(person) is to blame for your crimes! ARE YOU KIDDING ME! Who put a gun to your head and forced you to join? And correct me if i'm wrong, but do you not also vote?! Like the logic behind that post is just mind blowing!

Originally posted by Canadianpride420

Don't tell me you are there to prevent people being beaten to death..This story is one example of that. You have made matters so much worse. Afghanistan was not the opium producing capital of the world before 2001. I don't know how much some people need to see before they realize why you are there, and frankly almost find it laughable some think they are improving life for Afghans, you want to help? GET OUT!

Go spend about 25 months (my time in country) or so on the ground there and then we can talk about why we are there - until then you and I have no common frame of reference.

I will not debate the effect my presence in country had with someone who has no clue. You have never seen the Taliban in action - I have. To fight for those who cannot fight for themselves is why I chose Special Forces - ask some Afghani women if they are better off now or in 2001?

The general public get the spin that the MSM (anti-war except when its Obama's Libya) media wants you to hear. They have an agenda....

Originally posted by Canadianpride420

Do you think the laws in the US and Canada serve justice? I sure as hell don't.

You are certainly welcome to your opinion. I think lynch mobs and revenge killings went out of fashion a long time ago.

reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL


We werent in thier lands when they flew planes into the towers or the Pentagon, blew a hole in the side of the cole, set off a truck bomb underneath the world trade center during the first attack on it in the 90's, had our embassies bombed in Africa, etc etc etc etc.

The biggest gripe bin Laden had was the presence of Us troops in Saudi Arabia. Every single troop with the exception of an air detachment was removed from Saudi Arabia at the end of 2003.

All the Taliban had to do was turn over Bin Laden to the US. Instead they refused, stating they would only turn him over if the Us presents evidence to support the charge and only if he was tried in a 3rd party country of their choice.

How about the 7/7 attacks in London?
The train attack in spain just before their national elections?

Fixiating only on the US while ignoring every other action is a bit naive dont you think?

a breakdown ???? what a load of bovine fecal matter... it was cold blooded murder of 17 human beings ..
there is no justifying murder.
though as always the u.s will give him a slap on the hand and a nice shiny medal to go with it and the whole sickening show will go on as usual ....

Originally posted by TheXoor
reply to post by Canadianpride420

 

America is doing terrible things there but guess what? If we leave someone else will just take our place in that part of the world, like russia or china. There is not much oil left and even if they lie to keep people calm, the leaders know this inside.


That part of the world will never know peace from here on out becuase the need for oil will get worse and worse. If its not America in there making life hell it will be whoever the next big power is and I doubt it will be any better. Not to excuse Americans for war crimes but look at the big picture.

The US is the one there committing the crimes. You cannot say, oh well someone else would be there if we weren't so whatever. That doesn't excuse the crimes. And whoever is there is guilty. China receives the same amount of hate for their crimes in Tibet. I think all countries in the world shoud be able to govern themselves and should be free from military occupation.

And besides it's not oil they are fighting for in Afghanistan resource wise, it's lithium and opium. The whole problem is people thinking they can control another country's resources against the will of that country's people. It's wrong and it's too bad our society isn't good enough to realize that as a whole and have our voices heard.