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what do the german and japanese history books say about america
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Originally posted by Bakatono
reply to post by ninjas4321
I lived in Germany until recently and let me tell you, no one is harder on the Germans about their history than the Germans themselves. They teach and teach and teach how horrible the Nazi's were and they study and study and study how they ended up there. They keep the camps in tact so people can go to them and remember what can never happen again.
I also used to live in Japan. They, on the other hand, being the lying bastards they are, pretend it basically didn't happen. I remember visiting Pearl Harbor with a Japanese friend in his 30s and he was completely blown away by what he saw there. He had no idea. They don't teach it. They used to kind of ignore it but back in approximately 2004 they created quite a stir in Asia because they changed their school books to say that the rest of Asia was doing well because of all the assistance the Japanese gave them back in the 30s and 40s. What most people don't know is that Japan killed a lot more people than Hitler. 10s of millions more. So, as you can imagine, the rest of Asia didn't think their new school books were very funny.
After living in Japan for 10 years I can tell you that the Japanese are the most lecherous and lying people you will ever meet in your entire life. Don't let that crap you see in the movies about honor fool you. The honor only comes in to play when they get caught stealing you blind. They are also very elitist and racist. They will do anything, anything, to save face. No matter how bad they have messed up they will lie and lie and lie in order to keep their honor.
So, Germany does study exactly what happened to prevent it from happening again
Japan not only ignores it but they lie about it and attempt to re-brand themselves as heroes.
I'm not one to stereotype a whole nation, but going by your logic and your own description i can see that comment relating to the americans more accurately than the japanese.
Even the part about "re-branding themselves as heroes". American history (and typically the west) teaches that the bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima ended the war and somewhat made the americans victorious by endign world war 2.
The bombings were not needed, as the war was already ending. An example of your own comment puts into perspective the un-needed atrocities caused by americans, and then re-branding these atrocities as "good things" in history lessons.
It's a twisted world.
reply to post by Azadok
I am sure some of it is.. We got taught in schools in the UK that Japen was in the process of surrender before the US decided to nuke them. That seems a bit different to want most Americans on ATS think happened..
So are you saying that American history is a lie
I am sure some of it is.. We got taught in schools in the UK that Japen was in the process of surrender before the US decided to nuke them. That seems a bit different to want most Americans on ATS think happened..
lets get down to brass tacks shall we:
www.jewsagainstzionism.com...
etcetera
what 70 million died to cause Israel to be in palistien
bad palistinians...bad germans....bad bad bad bad bad!
nothing has changed now its
bad Iraqis bad Iranians bad afgahnies
Rabbi Stephen WiseAs late as 1943, while the Jews of Europe were being exterminated in their millions, the U.S. Congress proposed to set up a commission to "study" the problem. Rabbi Stephen Wise, who was the principal American spokesperson for Zionism, came to Washington to testify against the rescue bill because it would divert attention from the colonization of Palestine.
This is the same Rabbi Wise who, in 1938, in his capacity as leader of the American Jewish Congress, wrote a letter in which he opposed any change in U.S. immigration laws which would enable Jews to find refuge. He stated:
"It may interest you to know that some weeks ago the representatives of all the leading Jewish organizations met in conference. ... It was decided that no Jewish organization would, at this time, sponsor a bill which would in any way alter the immigration laws."
..."Our Shomer 'Weltanschauung,"' Hashomer Hatzair, December 1936. Originally published in 1917, Brenner, Zionism, p. 22. .................................
............President Roosevelt convened the Evian conference July 6-15 1938, to deal with the Jewish refugee problem. The Jewish Agency delegation headed by Golda Meir (Meirson) ignored a German offer to allow Jews to emigrate to other countries for $250 a head, and the Zionists made no effort to influence the United States and the 32 other countries attending the conference to allow immigration of German and Austrian Jews.........
............. On Feb. 23, 1956 the Hon. J. W. Pickersgill, Minister for Immigration was asked in the Canadian House of Commons "would he open the doors of Canada to Jewish refugees". He replied "the government has made no progress in that direction because the government of Israel....does not wish us to do so". .......
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"The cooperation of the Israel Freedom Movement would also be consistent with a recent speech by the German Reich Chancellor, in which Hitler stressed that he would utilize any combination and coalition in order to isolate and defeat England".
(Original document in German Auswertiges Amt Archiv, Bestand 47-59, E224152 and E234155-58. Complete original text published in: David Yisraeli, The Palestinian Problem in German Politics 1889-1945 (Israel: 1947) pp. 315-317).
On the basis of their similar ideologies about ethnicity and nationhood, National Socialists and Zionists worked together for what each group believed was in its own national interests.
This is just one example of the Zionist movements' collaboration with Hitler for the purpose of possibly receiving jurisdiction over a minute piece of earth, Palestine.
www.jewsagainstzionism.com...
etcetera
what 70 million died to cause Israel to be in palistien
bad palistinians...bad germans....bad bad bad bad bad!
nothing has changed now its
bad Iraqis bad Iranians bad afgahnies
edit on 11-3-2012 by Danbones because: (no reason given)
reply to post by ninjas4321
Japanese history books only tell about the noble aspirations of the Japanese to rid Asia of Westerners. They really believe that they are the liberators of Asia. In the course of doing that they used Chinese for bayonet practise not some straw dummy. Girls and young women from China and Korea were forcibly taken and put to service in military brothels. You can read up on this under the heading "Comfort Women". Most of these women ended up with venereal diseases. They are worst than Germans as their "Unit 731" conducted experiments on POWs. They freeze one of your hands and cut away all the flesh leaving only a skeleton hand while you are still alive. The victims do not feel the pain because the freezing makes the hand numb. The atrocities they did throughout Asia during WW2 can never be forgotten. What we do not learn from history books in school is told to us by our parents and grandparents. My parents told me during WW2 that if 1 Japanese soldier gets killed ten local people will be beheaded the next day. They do not bother to catch the culprit but would just randomly arrest 10 people for beheading. This brutal practice ensures that the occupying forces are not to be meddled with. The US forces should try this in Afganistan. Bet its gonna cut down on the IEDs.
Japanese history books only tell about the noble aspirations of the Japanese to rid Asia of Westerners. They really believe that they are the liberators of Asia. In the course of doing that they used Chinese for bayonet practise not some straw dummy. Girls and young women from China and Korea were forcibly taken and put to service in military brothels. You can read up on this under the heading "Comfort Women". Most of these women ended up with venereal diseases. They are worst than Germans as their "Unit 731" conducted experiments on POWs. They freeze one of your hands and cut away all the flesh leaving only a skeleton hand while you are still alive. The victims do not feel the pain because the freezing makes the hand numb. The atrocities they did throughout Asia during WW2 can never be forgotten. What we do not learn from history books in school is told to us by our parents and grandparents. My parents told me during WW2 that if 1 Japanese soldier gets killed ten local people will be beheaded the next day. They do not bother to catch the culprit but would just randomly arrest 10 people for beheading. This brutal practice ensures that the occupying forces are not to be meddled with. The US forces should try this in Afganistan. Bet its gonna cut down on the IEDs.
Originally posted by TDawgRex
The sins of the fathers do not transfer to the son
In America they do
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edit on 11-3-2012 by Abarat because: i was trying to say : In America they do, but it keep cutting off 'In'
A friend of mine is from Germany, and he says it is a huge taboo to discuss the events of WW2 because there is a huge amount of guilt and shame
involved for the German people. They do acknowledge that it happened and that it was a human tragedy.
That being said, many of the other replies here have pointed out the inherent shortcomings of the way in which history is recorded. Nietzsche wrote a book all about this, and it is very interesting if you are into philosophizing about history. It is especially relevant since Nietzsche was a pre-Nazi German writer and was vehemently against nationalism. He was a very intelligent person (arguably an intellectual genius) and he considered himself a cultural physician rather than a philosopher. His writing is pretty accessible, and the book relevant to this thread is called "On the Advantage and Disadvantage of History for Life." If you are interested in reading more about his critique of history, you can find it here:
modernism.research.yale.edu...
He says there are three main ways of recording history: monumental, antiquarian and critical. You would think that he would like critical, but perhaps ironically, he was critical of even the critical approach to history. Nietzsche pointed out that forgetting is actually a necessary condition for health, so recording history was not something he thought of as necessary or even helpful for society.
That being said, many of the other replies here have pointed out the inherent shortcomings of the way in which history is recorded. Nietzsche wrote a book all about this, and it is very interesting if you are into philosophizing about history. It is especially relevant since Nietzsche was a pre-Nazi German writer and was vehemently against nationalism. He was a very intelligent person (arguably an intellectual genius) and he considered himself a cultural physician rather than a philosopher. His writing is pretty accessible, and the book relevant to this thread is called "On the Advantage and Disadvantage of History for Life." If you are interested in reading more about his critique of history, you can find it here:
modernism.research.yale.edu...
He says there are three main ways of recording history: monumental, antiquarian and critical. You would think that he would like critical, but perhaps ironically, he was critical of even the critical approach to history. Nietzsche pointed out that forgetting is actually a necessary condition for health, so recording history was not something he thought of as necessary or even helpful for society.
My grandmother, an American Indian, recounted to me a story of the time she said she heard when she was a young girl:
FDR sent a letter to Hitler, asking him to stop rounding up Jews and detaining them. Hitler wrote back "When you let your Indians off of your reservations, I will let the Jews go". And that was that.
Read that in a history book.
FDR sent a letter to Hitler, asking him to stop rounding up Jews and detaining them. Hitler wrote back "When you let your Indians off of your reservations, I will let the Jews go". And that was that.
Read that in a history book.
Originally posted by Abarat
Originally posted by TDawgRex
The sins of the fathers do not transfer to the son
In America they do
I see...so if I come to your house, steal all of your stuff and burn down your house, and give it to my son, and he lives in luxury for 20 years because of your stolen belongings, you wont have any bad feelings for my son then, right? I mean, Im the one who did all the bad stuff. You cant go after my sons for my crime, right?
hypocrites.
edit on 11-3-2012 by aching_knuckles because: (no reason given)
reply to post by ninjas4321
don't take this the wrong way kid , but you need to spend more time in english and spelling classes than worrying about what other countries
think about us.
Yea I've read that the Japanese don't think the US had any good reasons to use the A-bombs. I guess their history books didn't take into account
the fact the Japanese were fortifying the hell out of Japan. It seems likely that most of the people killed by the A-Bomb would have been killed when
they took up arms against the US invasion of Japan. The A-bombs probably saved several million Japanese lives, and around 1 million US lives.
Applause to the young person. Are you American?
In any case, S&F to you. Keep up the good work. This is a very creative and deep question for a youngster. Unless your old and actually still in primary school. Like Billy Madison. LOL
If you're like Billy Madison, I still find your post interesting. You got our attention. I shall do some research then.
In any case, S&F to you. Keep up the good work. This is a very creative and deep question for a youngster. Unless your old and actually still in primary school. Like Billy Madison. LOL
If you're like Billy Madison, I still find your post interesting. You got our attention. I shall do some research then.
I see...so if I come to your house, steal all of your stuff and burn down your house, and give it to my son, and he lives in luxury for 20 years because of your stolen belongings, you wont have any bad feelings for my son then, right? I mean, Im the one who did all the bad stuff. You cant go after my sons for my crime, right?
Your logic is close, but it has a tiny flaw. Receiving stolen property in of itself is a crime.
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Originally posted by CB6699
We never learned anything about the US , in fact, US history was completely absent in my history books.
This was in the early /mid 70's germany.
Not even much about german history.
Come to think of it, we only really covered russias history from A to Z, and repeated the french revolution three times.
Nothing else, no US or other.
Interesting.
In the 70's most history classes were in two parts. American History-- Fall semester,1492 up to the Civil War and then in the spring from the Civil War up until today. Almost every time the class was running behind and we never got to the Civil War or WW2. I bet the same thing happens in college.
World history was split into--
from Ice age cave art up to the Age of Nations about 1600
and then the history of the world as played out by nations.
The first semester timed out at the Rennaisance and so the emergence of Nations aren't explained
The second semester was done about 1940, nothing about WW1 or the Russian Revolution and a little bit about FDR and the Great Depression.
The French Revolution and Napoleon was a week or two.
History is like the MSM. Usually what is says is accurate but what it leaves out might be more important.
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I have access to a whole university library of history books, lots surrounding the World Wars are written by German authors. I'm sure there are some
Japanese versions too.
If enough people are interested I could take a few samples out and post some results here?
Although from what I know, German's are basically forbidden to condone the Nazi's, Nazi sympathies are largely against the law. When i visited Berlin I had a history book in my bag that contained a small image of a swastika on the front, the airport officials were not very happy about it.
Anyway if I'm to have a look at this it might take a week or two for me to respond as i'm busy with other work for a little while... let me know.
If enough people are interested I could take a few samples out and post some results here?
Although from what I know, German's are basically forbidden to condone the Nazi's, Nazi sympathies are largely against the law. When i visited Berlin I had a history book in my bag that contained a small image of a swastika on the front, the airport officials were not very happy about it.
Anyway if I'm to have a look at this it might take a week or two for me to respond as i'm busy with other work for a little while... let me know.
sad thing is I don't think most young people even care about WW2 or history at all.....and then I am reminded those who don't remember the past are
condemned to repeat it.
I have to say, this is probably one of the best questions posed I've seen. All too often, even a lot of ATSers, will just eat from one of two plates
that are handed to us to choose from. Whether it be Pro-Iran or Pro-Israel, Democrat or Republican, Conservative or Republican, Theism or Atheism.
The Dichotomies that we are always posed is nothing more than an illusion of giving us a freedom of choice, when in reality just herding us into one
of two pens. Questions that were posed by the OP is a great way to break the bonds that unfortunately infect most of our minds. OP, I'm gonna star
and flag you. Good job, you've given me my daily meditation.
Originally posted by noxvita83
I see...so if I come to your house, steal all of your stuff and burn down your house, and give it to my son, and he lives in luxury for 20 years because of your stolen belongings, you wont have any bad feelings for my son then, right? I mean, Im the one who did all the bad stuff. You cant go after my sons for my crime, right?
Your logic is close, but it has a tiny flaw. Receiving stolen property in of itself is a crime.edit on 11-3-2012 by noxvita83 because: (no reason given)
Thats my point. But modern American people do not feel like the recieved the benefits of stuff that wasnt theirs and say "You cant prosecute me for sins of my fathers!"
But the whole world over, there are many cultures whose stuff has gone missing, and they see who is profiting from that stolen stuff. Get where I am going?
I spent my freshman year of high school in Japan, and from what I could gather, the biggest "change" from my studies in the USA would be a greater
focus on the aftereffects of the bomb. I was shocked to learn about radiation poisoning, the burns, and everything else that wasn't taught back home.
I must admit that I'm from TN, so the education level is probably lower than most states, but we hardly even looked at Vietnam. We would always get
to the A-bomb drop, then the semester would be over. I know for a fact in hindsight that those in my classes came out of them ignorant of even
important American events.
I went to Japanese elementary school, and the books pretty much tell it how you would expect - we had to read this story called Sadako, about the girl
trying to fold all the paper cranes before she died. It's really sad. They also tell about stuff we don't really hear about like what the American
soldiers did (nasty stuff) &just other war stories that are all really sad. :/ I hate when people make jokes about the whole ordeal.