HC's Ancient Aliens MINDBLOWING episode "The NASA Connection".

Originally posted by JimOberg

The English of which is, you don't really have anything that passes for evidence, but our lack of faith is at fault for your inadequate logic. I see....

Come on now Jim! That comes across as very disingenuous to say that there is no evidence. There is evidence every where you look, the proof is I believe what you are looking for. Unfortunately for the proof seekers science is mostly theory's and hypotheticals, add to that a government who is not honest about this matter. The end result is lot's of evidence and no proof!

I do want to take a moment and say that having the sceptics like yourself on ATS is very important, because of the balance it brings to the discussion.

veddddyyyy eeeeennteresting.....

Originally posted by jaws1975

Originally posted by JimOberg

The English of which is, you don't really have anything that passes for evidence, but our lack of faith is at fault for your inadequate logic. I see....

Come on now Jim! That comes across as very disingenuous to say that there is no evidence. There is evidence every where you look, the proof is I believe what you are looking for. Unfortunately for the proof seekers science is mostly theory's and hypotheticals, add to that a government who is not honest about this matter. The end result is lot's of evidence and no proof!

I do want to take a moment and say that having the sceptics like yourself on ATS is very important, because of the balance it brings to the discussion.

Thanks for the kind words -- weren't we talking about a specific claim?

There's plentyy of evidence for strange stuff going on -- stuff that needs more serious and disciplined investigation, IMHO. Figuring out why the decades of arguments have turned into dual monologues of the deaf, is why I want to talk -- and argue, true.

Again we get to the point - there are some who shouldn't think so 'there is no proof they are not aliens' this is wrong, as wrong as 'I dont consider what exists about them to be evidence, therefore it is not'. In other words, you are both wrong to think what it is and what it is not. The fact of the matter is, you don't know what is and what not and you cannot make claims being certain about either.

From what I saw the newest stealth fighters's technology are far behind any UFO's capabilities when it comes to aircraft, I see lots of correspondence in various documents that you can find in archives not hidden but not bothered by anyone to look at - where they use the word 'aliens'.

if you're saying that this refers to some Mexicans you know, foreingers = aliens, or some code name, well, combined with what some people see, it is not. So you can absolutely forget about being certain about what something is not when it could be.

Idk what NASA and how much they are involved but there could be department of NASA that deals with such matters, there is clearly some coverup going on. I have yet to watch the episode in the future, Idk how our AAT proponent friends have gone but you're missing the point:

No matter how accurate or not the AAT proponents are, they may be wrong about the details but not about the general idea of alien visitation because what you call art is hardly the meaning of all the weird things going on today and in the past, so please keep your ignorance to yourself if you really have the urge to always have an explanation about everything.

What do we have here really? It is a nice show with OK music and pretty good production values. We've seen a lot of rockets take off and seen some pretty cool footage. The overall tone is somewhat sensationalistic and the basic idea is this:

"There is some sort of NASA connection to Osiris via the Masons, or something. NASA's real mission was to find evidence of previous civilizations on the Moon, but keep it from the masses. Somehow this proves that our origins are not Earthly and perhaps we already have advanced technology."

To prove this they bring on quite a few talking heads, some of whom are very good and credible, and some who are not credible at all, such as this guy, Sean David Morton, who does NOT have a PhD and is a total fraudulent nutcase. This is followed by another stalwart, our reptilian friend, David Icke, and the not-so-well received Erich von Daniken, who wrote one of his books while sitting in jail for embezzling.

They've got some good people, too. It's just that by recruiting these frauds as well shows the show's producers don't really know what they are talking about. They have an agenda, and they are tailoring the show to fit their agenda. In other words, this isn't research and, frankly, it isn't "mindblowing" at all.

+ There is zero evidence presented by this program that astronauts found anything other than rocks on the moon. None whatsoever. It's completely 100% speculation.

+ There is zero evidence presented by this program that we have access to advanced technology, alien produced or otherwise.

+ There is zero evidence presented by this program that there is a mystical connection between NASA and Osiris, the number 33 nothwithstanding.

Do you know, for example, why the runway for the shuttle is labeled "33"? It's not, really. It's runway 330 because it is pointing at 330 degrees on the compass, north northwest. If you land going the opposite way on that very same runway, it's labeled "15" for runway 150, pointing south southeast.

+ There is zero evidence presented by this program that we, Home sapiens evolved elsewhere and were transplanted here. None whatsoever. But there is a whole lot of evidence, from stones and bones to DNA, that we evolved here, quite naturally.

What we have here is a program that is full of pseudoscience. They don't support their own conclusions. They have presented no credible evidence.

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They also took it to another channel. HC2 which is a tier up from the already expensive bundle package I have so I can no longer watch. I have FIOS so I am waiting for them to show up on the "On Demand" list. (for free)

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I had to give you a star just for the edit to the name. Priceless.

Originally posted by karen61057
reply to post by 1AnunnakiBastard

 

They also took it to another channel. HC2 which is a tier up from the already expensive bundle package I have so I can no longer watch. I have FIOS so I am waiting for them to show up on the "On Demand" list. (for free)

That's why you do what I do, and wait for it to be released on YouTube then stream it on Xbox with the YouTube app to watch it in HD on your tele, and hey presto!

With that in mind, when is the next episode due out?

yeah, agreed, good episode, maybe the best regarding Ancient Aliens series

lots of mainstream astronauts straight up saying we are being visited, we have a secret space program, etc

Originally posted by 1AnunnakiBastard
reply to post by 1AnunnakiBastard

 

But the mindblowing points of this episode were the observations made by the staff, who hit hard at NASA as I've never seen in any TV show. I highlighted the most important topics, IMO:

# Edgard Mitchell AGAIN admitted that ancient extraterrestrials have been around Earth for quite awhile.

# David Morrison reluctantly admitted that ancient life in Mars went underground.

# The Apollo 11 mission meticulously landed at 33° on the Moon and 33 minutes after the touchdown, Neil Armstrong and the 33° Scottish Rite freemason, Buzz Aldrin, carried out a ritual to Osiris, while the Orion belt was aligned in the lunar horizon.

# The guy who set the local, time and coordinates of Apollo 11 landing, and the mastermind behind the occultism apparatus of Apollo missions was Dr. Farouk El-Baz, known as "The King" among old school NASA astronauts. El-Baz comes from a family of experts in ancient Egyptian stellar religion.





ngm.nationalgeographic.com...
www.huffingtonpost.com...
www.bu.edu...

Stuff I didn't know about especially the Farouk el Baz thing. What I think is that the secret societies and such have information and where told an alternate history to the planet earth. And that is we are from out in space and that those in the societies are descendants to these ancient space gods. Also they may have kept hidden data that would explain the reason for them doing these ancient rites and such. Maybe they where told that if you do this and do that you will contact the ancient gods of our people and that is why they do it. And to be even more blunt they are a very very superstitious society (I don't believe one bit) or they have more information that is hidden from the public that tells them this works.

One day when this information gets out about life and alien contact it won't be as detrimental as the Brookings report has said. Most of us especially I have grown up around alien shows and movies, and most believe that we can't be the only thing out there.

Originally posted by Naeem82
yeah, agreed, good episode, maybe the best regarding Ancient Aliens series

lots of mainstream astronauts straight up saying we are being visited, we have a secret space program, etc

Aside from hearsay from Mitchell and old pre-NASA pilot's tales from Cooper, and both denying ANY in-space events, just who is this 'a lot' of astronauts backing these theories?

Originally posted by hoghead cheese
Stuff I didn't know about especially the Farouk el Baz thing.

Prepare to have your mind blown wide open and empty...

www.jamesoberg.com...

That's a 1976 photo of me on the right, and on the left.... guess who!

Originally posted by JimOberg

Originally posted by hoghead cheese
Stuff I didn't know about especially the Farouk el Baz thing.

Prepare to have your mind blown wide open and empty...

www.jamesoberg.com...

That's a 1976 photo of me on the right, and on the left.... guess who!

I never met el Baz but I would have like to because I saw him as a true, respectul gentleman. I enjoyed listening to him. He spoke eloquently.

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I have a question for you.

Do you think we are the only planet in the universe with life?

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I have a question for you.

Do you think we are the only planet in the universe with life?

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You sir are a genius for posting this! Thank's man! Very insightful.

The show is on right now as we speak and it still sucks! Never have so many said so little about so much. It's too bad Lennon and McCartney were not Masons as they and would have written "REVOLUTION 9" as
"REVOLUTION 33"!

Ancient Aliens is utter #e and those who fall for it's baseless facts, presented by those with little integrity, are surely lacking in intelligence, or have mental health issues which prevent them from having a finely tuned bull# detector. I know I am probably going to be warned, or banned from this site, but I don't care and it has to be said. I would also like to add that I am an educated man who was seen some UFO's, read literature and am open minded to some of the possibilities out there, but Ancient Aliens is really taking the piss and it exposes those who are interested in the deception of the gullible for their own ends. The total crap this program presents only diminishes the credibility of the subject, which is quite saddening as there are many out there who are doing good and intelligent research into the topic. Whoever watches this dismal program has to get a grip on reality. And don't get me started on Coast To Coast!

Wow great find! My brother is a fanatic of this show, so i'm definitely going to have to show him this one. I mean, how much more evidence do people really need?

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by Morg234

 

Before one can even begin to hypothesize that aliens visited humans in the past one must first prove aliens are visiting us now. This has not been done.

Why exactly is that?

Dinosaurs roamed the Earth millions of years ago, no? They are no longer here now, so does that mean they really WEREN'T here on Earth millions of years ago? Oh, and to your 2nd statement...you're looking for "disclosure"...really? I'm looking for the lotto numbers this week, you think if I email some state officials they'll just give em to me?