We have lost. The government has won.

I know it pains me to say this but I believe it to be true. No matter what we do the government in the end will win this global take over. Why do I say that? Let's say for instance that the majority of American decided to start a revolution because they've found out the truth about the U.S. government that they have taken over our lives. What will happen? Obviously if we rebel there will be either:

1. Another terrorist attack
2. A nuclear missile attack
3. A biological warfare attack

They then will blame on terrorist when we know by that point that it was really them who attacked. It has become obvious that the government will do anything, no matter what, to win in the end. Even if it means killing half the population or turning them into slaves by some kind of mind control or conditioning. It just seems when someone doesn't agree with how the government is handling things here in the U.S. and abroad they are either criticized, arrested or mysteriously killed.

I would love to start a revolution but the moment that happens I am labeled as a terrorist and some catastrophic will happen by the government killing me and everyone who joins me in my quest to get back my constitutional rights, freedoms and liberties. All I ever wanted was to live in peace without being watched and taken advantage of like I'm some sort of criminal, terrorist or threat to the U.S. government.

Fox

The Freemasons have a wise creed which states:

"Start no revolution before its time."

This nation is not ready for a "revolution." It is in the midst of eating what it sowed for itself. It will not be able to be moved or changed until it has finished eating.

See that you do not share its table, or eat what it is going to eat.

You have to grow thick, tough skin and a very wise mind, because the nation is going where it needs to go, and nothing can alter its path. Only once it finishes every last drop of its drink, and eats every morsel of its self-prepared meal, will it be able to enter the revolution and reforms we are calling for.

It will probably not come until we are old men, or several generations later.

So relax and cut your ties to this monster before it drags you down with it.

Arkaleus

The government is winning, yes..... but the revolution will come, as Arkaleus said, when it is due. There is no point forcing a revolt, as the people are still lost in the sea of lies and corruption. The time will come and all that is needed is an event to trigger the masses... hopefully i live to see the day, but if i dont i hope my descendants will take the trip to the USA and help in the fight.

Originally posted by specialasianX
The government is winning, yes..... but the revolution will come

I hope you're right. It sickens me to see what our government has come to. Greed, money, power, lies and deception. What makes me even more mad is when the public asks for records unrelated to national security be released, the government turns around and says "no" simply because it intrudes on national security.

Every institution of power loses absolute control at some point. Some earlier than others, and generally far faster than anyone in control can possibly predict or prepare for. A threshold is reached at which time the peasants go crazy and lose all semblance of individual self-preservation.

You say you want a revolution
well you know...we all want to change the world

They say you'll change the Constitution
well you know...we should free our minds instead...

You know its gonna be
alright.

Break out your tie died shirts again, flower power is back!

OHH were soo disenfranchised,,,ohh we the people have NO power over our government...ohh the government is out to get me.....
OOHHH the bellyaching....

OOhh weve just forgotten how civics and elections actually work here.

Why dont you get together and start signing recall petitions if you dont like your congress person?

Why not recall the govenor of your state if you think he screwed up (hello california)

why dont you all vote for nader or that nobody bandnarik or whatever his name is?

Why dont you block the streets in a non violent work stoppage?

Why dont the majority of citizens pay closer attention to the "booring" politics?

Why do you keep voting career politicians back into office?

The tools of change already exist and lay at your lazy feet.
Why is revolution nessisary?
Just hold your representatives more responsible and accountable.

vote with your wallet as well...
lets not forget the corporate monsters either....they have serious power over us all as well as government influence....

Hmmm, democracy or corporate hegomony?

This sounds like the typical, liberal, go around the rules because we dont like them strategy....
lets not use the system to enact change, lets throw it out and make it up as we go....
out with the old, in with whatever the minority decides.
sounds like anarchy or rule by an elite un represented few not democracy.

Dont try to work together, dont try to find ways to bridge differences, dont be inclusive, be exclusive...
draw your line in the sand,
you either with the revolution or against us.

Did you guys switch to being republican neocons? Cause your message sounds remarkably similar.

If you people feel as if youve "lost" to your own political process, im not suprized that your soo ready to flee from Iraq and surrender to the even scarrier form of totalitarian thoecracies.

[edit on 24-9-2004 by CazMedia]

I dont think most people realize how good they have it in America...

Originally posted by BasementAddix
I dont think most people realize how good they have it in America...

Oh, I realize it. I know at the moment I have more freedoms than people in other countries do. But I also believe that freedom is slowly diminishing.

Actually revolutions can happened and sometimes with great consequences, I remember back in my politics class in 1979, before Reagan and anything after that, my teacher in the class predicted to us the down fall of Russia and Russian turning into a democracy and the down fall of US and the turn into a Communism.

We were young and Idealistic we laugh and call him crazy so far one of the predictions came to pass will the second one?

marg

The first prediction was inevitable, the second one nigh impossible.

Originally posted by jsobecky
marg

the second one nigh impossible.

Why do you say impossible?

The problem isn't with philosophy, or truth, or even understanding.

The problem is that the parts of the human mind that these things dwell in have been destroyed from the American people.

I say that this was by design, and it was the will of the forces and powers that "govern" this nation. They have betrayed us and our Liberty, and have successfuly brought the poeplpe into a whole new form of slavery.

So we have a situation where the information of reform and revolution is more available than any other time, but the population is unable to digest it. More than this, they are unwilling to think in this direction, being rendered unable to comprehend the matter.

Therefore the only force we can expect to relieve the situation is the general force of the natural god, which regularly sweeps the earth with her sword. Except for a action of the Almighty Father, this is the only relief we will see.

Arkaleus

Originally posted by Arkaleus


So we have a situation where the information of reform and revolution is more available than any other time, but the population is unable to digest it. More than this, they are unwilling to think in this direction, being rendered unable to comprehend the matter.

Arkaleus

No...its just theres no reason to digest the idea of revolution because there is no reason for it...revolt against what?...gas prices doing up a quarter?...milk raising ten cents?...We have it good here...Ive been to Central America and Europe...and I can still honestly say that we have it better then anywhere...no reason to mess up a good thing...

No we haven't lost...

Elect a libertarian... I just dispersed 700 lp brochures yesterday, and have called to order more...

Don't give up just yet... I'm doing what I can in my area.... Maybe you should do it too...

www.lp.org...

never let the government win.. espeically the kind that wants to grow and grow while us peoples freedoms get smaller and smaller...

Vote socialist: Ensure the rights of the working classes and destroy corporate controlled government. Ensure affordable healthcare for all, stop job outsourcing, improve education and public awareness.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the rich.

Socialism is great as an ideal..but never works in the real world...

Originally posted by BasementAddix
Socialism is great as an ideal..but never works in the real world...

That might be Marxism aka "Communism" your talking about. The system where everything is equal. In socialism there is no class equality because there are different classes. It's just that people of lower classes do not suffer as much under socialism as under capitalism.

Socialism works well in many European countries. Hence, the higher intelligence of the population and better health.

[edit on 25-9-2004 by RedOctober90]

What is good about our system?

Our material goods? Our cheap bread? Our clothes? These things can be had in any nation. Milk comes the same way in Egypt as it does in a California dairy.

If all you understand about america is luxury and the abundance of material goods then you should be right at home. But to come out and say, "Everything is cool." Is just silly.

I guess as long as the master feeds you and doesn't beat you too much, you don't mind your slavery, huh?

Those of us who would prefer to retain our dignity and free will, there is a good deal of written works on the matter. The revolutionary period of America and France generated a wonderful spirit of cultural and social analysis, and the expression of the individual genius was at an all-time high for our race.

This kind of man is going away, I am afraid. We just don't raise them anymore. They get eaten as soon as they are born. Our society devours geniuses or assimilates them, perhaps as a kind of self-protection mechanism for fear of what a strong individual genius could do to its group-mind construction.

Those who manage to break free of the slaughter of the human spirit and mind are expected to contribute to the group in some other fashion, to demonstrate their servitude to the monstrous group-power that rules the masses in America.

So in this there is no real freedom in America anymore, unless you consider mindless ocnsumption of goods at will to be "freedom."

What is lacking in America is MIND and SPIRIT. We aren't lacking any material thing at all. We have emphasized the "group" to such an insane degree that we have smothered out our own minds. Now everything is done for money, every system has been perverted to serve them process of generating either influence or money, and our psychology and personalities are suffering and dying out.

Arkaleus

According to the constitution, the government was never supposed to be powerful then the people. Guess what - they are!

The real problem with revolution, is that it will be hard pressed to start. The situation stands now that most Americans owe into the system with mortgages, car loans, home equity lines, credit, and all the other things that prevent us from ever OWNING anything.

No one wants to "rock the boat".

As Caz said earlier, we need to end career politicians.