New Irrefutable Evidence for Demonic Activity (validating the bible)

reply to post by RevelationGeneration


How so? Just because God didn't say in the bible he created other life doesn't mean he has not. Not like he needs to tell us everything. Also Judging by how we turned out i wouldn't be surprised if there is a sinless human race out there. Someone who was not dumb enough to listen to a snake over the word of God.

Originally posted by vaelamin
reply to post by RevelationGeneration

 

How so? Just because God didn't say in the bible he created other life doesn't mean he has not. Not like he needs to tell us everything. Also Judging by how we turned out i wouldn't be surprised if there is a sinless human race out there. Someone who was not dumb enough to listen to a snake over the word of God.

Pure fantasy. Simply put the theory of an alien race and the bible is not compatible for a number of reasons that I won't get into right now since thats not what this topic is about. But the human race was created by God in his image on earth only, not on other planets. The danger of fantasizing is it plays no part in reality. There definitely is no sinless human race out their, we are all sinners. Please think before making a comment like that which I do not believe you put much thought into.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration


The Bible does not confirm nor deny the existence of extra-terrestrials.

Originally posted by halfoldman
The video doesn't prove anything, just some fundamentalist Christians who make a living from their "demonic" spin on "ufology" and "psychic phenomenon".

The Scole Experiment has no scientific validation whatsoever:
skeptoid.com...
Many of the claims have simple explanations like laser pointers and inserting doctored film into a box in a darkened room.

In terms of the Bible some modern mediums and even demonologists would claim that not all "spirits" are demons, and that there are episodes of contact with the afterlife in the Bible (the Witch of Endor, for example).
Nowhere does Jesus say that demons operate as aliens or impersonate dead people.
Those Christian interpretations and squeezing of scripture into marketable answers have been around for a while though, and ultimately anything that isn't "Christian" is "demonic". Since there are over 30 000 sects of Christianity they have to be defined in broad terms as clear answers that are never given in the Bronze Age text itself, so they lie for Jesus, as if He had said anything on aliens or all mediums or ghosts as being "demonic".
Film and photography didn't exist in the time or context of Jesus, and there's no instruction how to value them as real or false.
Not that it matters, according to science religious and psychic phenomenon has never been proven as supernatural, no matter how many people would like it to be true.

The obsession with demons is probably one of the most evil influences that religion has on modern society.
Here we are ending a week of activism against the so-called African "witch children" - children and even infants who are accused of being demon possessed witches by pastors and their brainwashed parents.
In the Congo alone 15 000 children were left homeless because pastors accused them of witchcraft.
They are tortured and abused in Christian exorcisms, which are ill-defined and can snow-ball into anything.
The silence of Western demon-preachers on such cases is deafening, which proves the complete lack of morality in spreading such beliefs.

In Korea a Christian pastor and "faith-healer" has recently left his children to starve in an exorcism.
www.religionnewsblog.com...
And there are many such instances, where psychotic believers get some message from decontextualized Biblical passages that their children are possessed, and when the demons fail to materialize and exit it can end up in torture and murder.

Sadly, claims of demons set psychic research back into the worst superstitions of the Dark Ages, and has turned many a tentative believer back into a skeptic.
Will Storr, for example, becomes somewhat convinced of the existence of ghosts at the beginning of his book Will Storr vs.The Supernatural: One man's search for the truth about ghosts (Ebury Press: 2006), but this is ruined by religious demonologists, and in the final chapter he ends up at an "exorcism" in Kentucky, which turns out to be the religious child abuse of an autistic little boy.
Such practices and the social and inter-generational harm they cause will become more common, as programs on psychic investigations and haunted houses add a demonic spin to please the Christian audience, and already recreated tales become even more laughable.

Seeing the evil and abuse that religion creates in the world through demon-beliefs (which some still believe explains diseases), makes many turn to complete atheism and skepticism.
Perhaps one could even call it an insult to Christianity that such claims are said to "prove" the religion as true.
They seem to prove exactly the opposite.

edit on 10-3-2012 by halfoldman because: (no reason given)

BUMP ^^^

What he said! Too bad the OP won't read it. I guess it stings too much.

reply to post by halfoldman


Well keep thinking little aliens are zapping people up in spaceships, and using anal probes

Originally posted by CaptainNemo
reply to post by RevelationGeneration

 

The Bible does not confirm nor deny the existence of extra-terrestrials.

The reason for that is because the concept of a species in-habting other planets was never thought about back when the books of bible was written. The fact is in order for real aliens to exist, evolution would have to be true, which its not. The earth is the centre of the universe and we were made in God's image, we are special and so is our planet. Alien life is not compatible with the Christian world view. However demons or fallen angels impersonating what we perceive to be a typical "alien" is possible and there is evidence to suggest this is taking place.

"Demonic activity" would be considered the ways and actions of the devil. The thread also states that "validates the bible." Well the all throughout the bible it describes the Europeans as the devil and the source of the worlds problems. I say this all is nothing new becasue since the European man crawled from the caves he caused chaos and destruction amongst civilizations across the planet. The bible is right and exact if you know how to decipher through the clouds. Peace.

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Nowhere did I say I believed in aliens zapping people or giving them anal probes.
Although people may believe in such things, but it has not been validated by science, nor has science been presented with any hard evidence of alien abductions.

Neither do I believe that that demons are masquerading as aliens and zapping people and giving them anal probes, which is what some Christian fundamentalists believe.

Now these fundamentalists can believe in spiritual warfare (which divides them in terminology from the wider Christian and even the evangelical movement, with whom they share other teachings but not the constant focus on demons, or the fantasy that demons are scientifically proven and hence this proves Christianity, and I'm also sure that not all Christians want to be given fundamentalist attributes, or stereotyped as demonologists, so it would be unfair to them not to narrow the terminology), or they can believe that they have some special power of "discernment", just like the pastors who abuse and starve children in exorcism rituals believe they had some magical "discernment" in their actions and beliefs.

They can even believe that a 3rd of the angels were cast out of heaven as demons to entertain the mediums, but there is absolutely no scientific validation anywhere (unless they all lined up outside the laboratory door to be counted).

But belief is not science, and the Scole Experiment proved nothing to mainstream science, because its methods were open to common parlor tricks and sleight of hand. If it had validated anything to science all the scientific books would be re-written by now, confirming the existence of an afterlife. It proved absolutely nothing to science. Much less did it prove anything on demons.

Unfortunately, the Scole Experiment was tainted by profound investigative failings. In short, the investigators imposed little or no controls or restrictions upon the mediums, and at the same time, agreed to all of the restrictions imposed by the mediums. The mediums were in control of the seances, not the investigators. What the Scole Report authors describe as a scientific investigation of the phenomena, was in fact (by any reasonable interpretation of the scientific method) hampered by a set of rules which explicitly prevented any scientific investigation of the phenomena.

skeptoid.com...
Even in this thread there is a claim of scientific validation, but there's not even an attempt to offer such proof.
There's just an attempt to take unproven claims on spirits and aliens and turn them into unproven claims about Biblical demons by some anecdotal leap.

When it comes to making an argument supposedly based on science, my personal beliefs don't matter.
But that's the crux - the thread isn't about science, but using bits of the Bible, medium-ship and what some believers in the supernatural would like to call science (when it clearly is not) to back up a world-view based on "discernment", which is simply a personal claim that anyone can attribute to themselves..

reply to post by RevelationGeneration

. The earth is the centre of the universe and we were made in God's image, we are special and so is our planet. Alien life is not compatible with the Christian world view.

Dude are you serious?

The earth isn't even the center of THIS galaxy... you're joking right?

Originally posted by Akragon
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. The earth is the centre of the universe and we were made in God's image, we are special and so is our planet. Alien life is not compatible with the Christian world view.

Dude are you serious?

The earth isn't even the center of THIS galaxy... you're joking right?

I took it to mean, center of it as in importance, in a figurative sense. Like you'd say that snotty girl over there thinks she is the center of the universe.

reply to post by TheBlackManIsGod7


Can you back up that claim and show me where in the bible it describes the Europeans as the devil.

I must of missed that part. Thanks. (I am from europe).

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by Akragon
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. The earth is the centre of the universe and we were made in God's image, we are special and so is our planet. Alien life is not compatible with the Christian world view.

Dude are you serious?

The earth isn't even the center of THIS galaxy... you're joking right?

I took it to mean, center of it as in importance, in a figurative sense. Like you'd say that snotty girl over there thinks she is the center of the universe.

Yeah that is what I mean't. I wouldn't expect Akragon to understand.

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by Akragon
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. The earth is the centre of the universe and we were made in God's image, we are special and so is our planet. Alien life is not compatible with the Christian world view.

Dude are you serious?

The earth isn't even the center of THIS galaxy... you're joking right?

I took it to mean, center of it as in importance, in a figurative sense. Like you'd say that snotty girl over there thinks she is the center of the universe.

Yeah that is what I mean't. I wouldn't expect Akragon to understand.

He's a smart guy, I think he was doing it on purpose to try and make you seem ignorant about basic astronomy.

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Lets just say i've heard "stranger" things on these forums...

Ye never know what someone actually thinks

Originally posted by Akragon
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Lets just say i've heard "stranger" things on these forums...

Ye never know what someone actually thinks

True, but I think you was mocking him. I know, I'm good at being flippant. It's one of my gifts.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by Akragon
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Lets just say i've heard "stranger" things on these forums...

Ye never know what someone actually thinks

True, but I think you was mocking him. I know, I'm good at being flippant. It's one of my gifts.

Feel free to act however you like...

Demons are a belief thats as old as the hills, and so was the idea that the earth was flat... and it was the center of the universe at some point in the past as well. I just wondered if he was serious... i assumed he was speaking figureatively but like i said... one never knows.

This thread inspired me to make my own little Demon thread, that actually has nothing to do with UFOs or aliens.

Honestly i wanted nothing to do with this thread because im still up in the air on the whole alien issue

reply to post by Akragon


Demons are in fact older than the hills. And it was the bible that first told us the earth was round.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration

It was also the first to tell us the sun rotates the universe. I think it's like once every 7,000 years we do a revolution around the universe.

reply to post by Akragon


Scientifically determine the center of the universe. I am waiting.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration

Their are actual video and photographs in the film mentioned that are not simply a case of Apophenia.

I have seen a lot of "actual video and photographs" in youtube videos, and most of is is bunk. There is no army of Demons trying to get you, where do these concepts originate from, anyway? In my own study of Demonic Grimores, most seem to be authored by Church Scribes, and Priests. Even the Codex Gigas was written by a Benedictine monk, in what is now the Czech Republic. According to legend, the monk, Herman the Recluse, the records in the codex end in the year 1229. Legend has it that good old Herman was a monk who broke his monastic vows. As punishment, he was sentenced to be sealed alive into the walls of the monastery. In an effort to circumvent said sentence, Herman vowed to create a book to glorify the monastery for all time. The book was to contain all vital human knowledge. He promised to complete this book in one night.

In the Bible is says plainly that 600 "angels" followed Lucifer, the Latin Light Bringer, that the Sumerian Texts tell of 600 "Iggy" Annunaki who were left here on Earth as punishment for a rebellion on Nibiru. How did these few swell to gigantic proportions like Christians seem to think? Why would an omnipotent God allow such a thing to happen in the first place? Let's see, (God talking here) I have created a planet, and all that is upon it, now I will create a being stronger and more powerful than I, so it can in fact destroy be and allow evil to shroud the world! (no matter what the rest of us may think about this)
Some in here are simply obsessed with Demons. Mind control? Brainwashing? I do not know, but something is wrong here. Demons are a product of humanist belief, nothing more or less, brought on by Church teachings for years to an ignorant people.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
(Joseph Goebbels)