Muslim Jihadists Vowing to “Eradicate Christianity”

I wonnnndderrr....

Could a messianic figure evolve?... no disrespect to Christ as he was already ahead of the game, but from what we think we know of possible connections to other people and even other religions... having traveled far in his time, but still having instances of needing to fight temptation to understand the full will of God being born into this world as a man... and as he himself stated that in bodies of flesh and blood a being cannot be exempt of corruption. As much as He could see, what if now He would just be seeing more?

Even as a Messiah... ever evolving.

As far ahead as He was, what if now... He is even furrrrtherrr...... on that path of Love, Righteousness and Forgiveness that He was already on.

As his travels even beyond his first appearance as the Christ have gone to even greater lengths... bringing Him even closer to the Father of Light.

How could it not be that to truly represent the God of ALL, he must encompass all people's of all belief styles and truly have compassion even for the good and bad, for in Revelations, he speaks much about his hatred for certain souls..."many" as he states, as many as he loves, but God in the pure unapproachable sense love's all of creation as he IS all of creation... as well as the destruction, but these things still being done in love and progression as a perfect cycle... if only we could understand.

So why then, would that same messianic figure who came the first time but did not make all prophecies come full circle THEN... why could He not evolve even MORE... having gone further beyond since his first time here?

He must have been doing something all this time.

what if *no* soul had to be lost?

What if *no* condemnation had to be?

...as Christ himself would have gone beyond to learn even more than what he had in his first appearance in the world.

Anybody feeling this somewhat abstract train of thought I'm on?

again, no disrespect to prophecy or the bible... I am just a human prone to err, but really... what if all this damnation has been changeable the entire time? What if we are truly on an alternate time line somehow than what Christ had foretold in his first go?... because now, He would be even closer to the perfection of God.

Originally posted by omegafire

Koran 8:12 Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them."

Here Mohammed is giving step by step instruction on how to torture and kill Kafirs if they don't follow Islam.

During his lifetime Muhammad ordered people burnt alive for not coming to prayer.

Bukhari (11:626) -

"The Prophet said, 'No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr and the 'Isha' prayers and if they knew the reward for these prayers at their respective times, they would certainly present themselves (in the mosques) even if they had to crawl.' The Prophet added, 'Certainly I decided to order the Mu'adh-dhin (call-maker) to pronounce Iqama and order a man to lead the prayer and then take a fire flame to burn all those who had not left their houses so far for the prayer along with their houses.'"

Muhammad orders his men to burn alive those who do not present themselves at the mosque for prayer.

Quran Explorer

By the way, the Bukari is a religious Hadith text which is sacred to Sunni Muslims who make up 80 to 90% of all Muslims globally.

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yes, yes... and the God of Abraham ordered villages of men, women and children slaughtered for disobedience to him. Yes, the one true God of love.

as interpreted by men, written by men... it does not change the value of the good that can be extracted.

NO body... NO thing in this world can be perfect. NO thing... as only God can be perfection.

Again, indicative in my opinion of a potential for any prophecy to evolve even further while still within it's original design.

reply to post by seabag


Criticism of Islam

Muhammad wasn't very tolerant of criticism of himself or Islam. According to the first biography of his life, written by the Muslim scholar Ibn Ishaq in 768AD, his response was assassination.

• Muhammad authorised the murder of a number of poets (male & female) who had mocked him. One poet was a mother sleeping with her young children. The Muslim assassin had to move the child aside before thrusting his dagger into her chest. Another victim was a male poet who was, according to Muslim sources, over 100 years old. Mohammed then absolved the Islamic murderers of any wrong doing.

• He was also an accomplished caravan raider who had the propensity to execute prisoners who had been political opponents in the past. One such man had fallen foul of Muhammad when Muhammad was in his early days due to being a better story teller than Muhammad,. "Who will look after my young daughter?" cried the man, moments before he was executed. Muhammad then cursed him.

The Life of Muhammad (768 AD) by Ibn Ishaq

Muhammad allowed his followers to assassinate people who criticised him and then absolved the killers of any wrong doing.

He also personally ordered the execution of people who had criticised him in the past.

Originally posted by newcovenant

Originally posted by DeadSeraph

Originally posted by newcovenant
reply to post by seabag

 

There are folks who claim Al Qaeda is a group made up by the CIA.

I always have wondered since this entire religious war unfolded...why is the Vatican, the seat of Christianity left untouched. They are not after Christendom too seriously by simply targeting a few Christians here and there.You would go for the gusto. Why don't they?

Because Catholicism isn't Christianity.

Sorry but The Pope is the Christian Leader. If they were really trying to eradicate "Christianity" they would go for the head of the beast (the Church itself) and not stab at the fingers. It doesn't sound like any self respecting Muslim Jihadist plan to me.

Sounds like a frame up and a scapegoat for activities we have yet to see - none of which will have to do with Christianity or Rome which stands through out this whole religious war untouched, as well as unguarded and defenseless. It is strange to me.

edit on 11-3-2012 by newcovenant because: (no reason given)

The pope is not the "Christian Leader". Christ is. The pope is the leader of the Catholics. Two very different religions. I won't bother highlighting how they differ, but I can assure you they are night and day. Regardless, militant Muslims would just as soon kill the Pope as they would a Christian. These people literally believe that EVERY other human being on this earth must convert to Islam or be put to death.

That means Buddhists, Catholics, Hindu's, Atheists, etc.

Originally posted by wirehead
I've read some christian extremists on this very board vowing to eradicate Islam.

Where? Who?

Originally posted by Furbs
Jesus is ALL ABOUT killing his enemies! All of them. (Rev. 19) The "Second Coming" of Jesus is loaded with War, Death, and Destruction of anyone that is not Christian. Not really a religion of Peace at all when you actually study it.

You have it a bit backwards. If you read it all, it says that Jesus comes back to find very little faith at all ... and all that death and destruction is war that humans are waging against each other and against the few who actually still have faith. In the end times, very few people will be Christian.

Originally posted by DeadSeraph
Because Catholicism isn't Christianity.

Incorrect. Catholics are Christians.

Originally posted by DeadSeraph
The pope is not the "Christian Leader". Christ is. The pope is the leader of the Catholics. Two very different religions.

1 - The pope is not the leader of all Christians. He is the leader of the christian denomination - Catholics.
2 - Catholics are Christians. To say otherwise is absurd.

Do you people remember your third grade math ... sets and subsets?
Picture a big circle that says 'Christians'.
Then within that big circle picture a whole bunch of little circles.
Each circle is labeled Episcopal, Baptist, Catholic, etc
Those are all Christian subsets.

Originally posted by TheOriginalGeeza

Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by TheOriginalGeeza

Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by TheOriginalGeeza

Originally posted by Furbs
reply to post by TheOriginalGeeza

 

Are you kidding me?

Jesus is ALL ABOUT killing his enemies! All of them. (Rev. 19)

The "Second Coming" of Jesus is loaded with War, Death, and Destruction of anyone that is not Christian. Not really a religion of Peace at all when you actually study it.

Rev. 19 talks about Gods judgement I think and is a prophecy, correct me if I'm wrong, however, this does not instruct Christians to kill non-believers does it?

Do you see the difference?

Islam instructs followers to kill non-believers and Christianity instructs followers to love their enemy.

This teaches Christians that they are right, and everyone else is an enemy of Jesus worthy of death.

What difference am I supposed to be seeing here, as there is no counterpoint being made?

No...

Christians are taught to love the people who would do them harm.

Islam apparently teaches followers to kill non-believers.

The difference you should see is simple; Christianity does not command followers to kill anyone...

Can the same be said of Islam?

If you can't work it it out then I can't help you my friend.

Yes, the same can be said of Islam.

Apparently you are wrong:


Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."

So.. let me get this straight, you can cherry-pick phrases out of the Koran and that is fine, but cherry-picking phrases out of the Bible is somehow flawed?

The Koran has many phrases of Peace and Death, just as the Bible has.

You WANT to hate.
You WANT to kill.
You WANT to dehumanize.

Originally posted by DeadSeraph

Originally posted by newcovenant

Originally posted by DeadSeraph

Originally posted by newcovenant
reply to post by seabag

 

There are folks who claim Al Qaeda is a group made up by the CIA.

I always have wondered since this entire religious war unfolded...why is the Vatican, the seat of Christianity left untouched. They are not after Christendom too seriously by simply targeting a few Christians here and there.You would go for the gusto. Why don't they?

Because Catholicism isn't Christianity.

Sorry but The Pope is the Christian Leader. If they were really trying to eradicate "Christianity" they would go for the head of the beast (the Church itself) and not stab at the fingers. It doesn't sound like any self respecting Muslim Jihadist plan to me.

Sounds like a frame up and a scapegoat for activities we have yet to see - none of which will have to do with Christianity or Rome which stands through out this whole religious war untouched, as well as unguarded and defenseless. It is strange to me.

edit on 11-3-2012 by newcovenant because: (no reason given)

The pope is not the "Christian Leader". Christ is. The pope is the leader of the Catholics. Two very different religions. I won't bother highlighting how they differ, but I can assure you they are night and day. Regardless, militant Muslims would just as soon kill the Pope as they would a Christian. These people literally believe that EVERY other human being on this earth must convert to Islam or be put to death.

That means Buddhists, Catholics, Hindu's, Atheists, etc.

Do you know what proselytizing is?


Christians, not just Catholics but anyone who reads the Bible is supposed to work hard at bringing Christ to those who do not know Him and when every last man, woman and child on earth have converted to Christianity the next step is supposed to happen and not until then. Many believe it LITERALLY and why the Jehovah's still go door to door.

Jews, Muslims and Christians are the 3 monotheist faiths with the exact same root origin.
Together - they are destroying the world.

What you don't get is all these religions started pretty much the same except the Muslims and some of the Jews did not change their archaic religious dictates in order to fit in better with modern times. In the Bible it says if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off - And in some of these cultures they still do.

I other words - We were all stupid and some still are.

I understood 9/11 and all hatred of the west came from the US involving itself in the Russian Afghanistan war and setting foot on their land. People who want to make it about religion are being sold a bill of goods because people will not fight over practical things like oil but they will take up arms to defend their God.

So it begins!
Suicide Bomber in Nigeria attacks catholic church during mass
www.abovetopsecret.com...
cnsnews.com...

Nothing to see here folks.
There is no muslim terrorist
it is all a lie!!

I mean this guy is just uuuuuh
i'll get back to you

Originally posted by popsmayhem
So it begins!
Suicide Bomber in Nigeria attacks catholic church during mass
www.abovetopsecret.com...
cnsnews.com...

Nothing to see here folks.
There is no muslim terrorist
it is all a lie!!

I mean this guy is just uuuuuh
i'll get back to you

You are aware that this happens back and forth between Christians and Muslims in Nigeria all the time for years, right?

reply to post by Furbs


Sorry, no it does not.

We have a thread here, first warning
about what the muslims plan to do,
then we have an attack. How much more proof
do you need. This is a islamic terrorist
blowing up a christian church FOR NO REASON..

This is not a muslim mosque getting blown up
by chrstians. Do not know what world your living on.

Originally posted by popsmayhem
reply to post by Furbs

 

Sorry, no it does not.

We have a thread here, first warning
about what the muslims plan to do,
then we have an attack. How much more proof
do you need. This is a islamic terrorist
blowing up a christian church FOR NO REASON..

This is not a muslim mosque getting blown up
by chrstians. Do not know what world your living on.

One of us has been to Nigeria, the other is you.

Do not begin to start telling me what you think you know about that part of the world, because all of it is being fed to you by people that want you to hate.

reply to post by Furbs


With all due respect, one doesn't need to have lived in Nigeria to read a damn headline about radical Muslims attacking Christians.

Scientists know a lot about Mars yet they’ve never been there!

Liars, do anything to cover for your puppet masters.
Who would run the other way, tail between legs, when they came
to slit your daughters throat red diaper doper baby.
The proof is all right here. Nothing is being fed
or peddled except the BS, sympathizers are pushing.
Obvious muslim attack against christians in Nigeria.
Don't turn this around and twist it that is what liars do.

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by Furbs

 

With all due respect, one doesn't need to have lived in Nigeria to read a damn headline about radical Muslims attacking Christians.

Scientists know a lot about Mars yet they’ve never been there!

edit on 11-3-2012 by seabag because: (no reason given)

Scientists and Journalist have -very- different standards when it comes to compiling data. I am kind of embarrassed for you that you would even make that comparison.

Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by Furbs
Do not begin to start telling me what you think you know about that part of the world, because all of it is being fed to you by people that want you to hate.

Liar, do anything to cover for your puppet masters.
Who would run the other way, tail between legs, when they came
to slit your daughters throat red diaper doper baby.
The proof is all right here. Nothing is being fed
or peddled except the BS, sympathizers are pushing.
Obvious muslim attack against christians in Nigeria.
Don't turn this around and twist it that is what liars do.

I assure you, I have no puppet masters, and your continuance in espousing hatred, even going so far as to scare me with the horrible murder of a hypothetical offspring, proves my point about your level of hatred being fed to you that I could ever do on my own.

Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by Furbs

 

With all due respect, one doesn't need to have lived in Nigeria to read a damn headline about radical Muslims attacking Christians.

Scientists know a lot about Mars yet they’ve never been there!

Scientists and Journalist have -very- different standards when it comes to compiling data. I am kind of embarrassed for you that you would even make that comparison.

Tell me why a past visit to Nigeria gives you some magical insight into this situation? Are you saying the media are lying and Muslims aren’t killing Christians? From what I’ve read, the Muslims are very proud of these actions and openly calling for more. Is this all made up to unfairly persecute the poor Muslims? Are Muslims the victim??

Originally posted by seabag

Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by Furbs

 

With all due respect, one doesn't need to have lived in Nigeria to read a damn headline about radical Muslims attacking Christians.

Scientists know a lot about Mars yet they’ve never been there!

Scientists and Journalist have -very- different standards when it comes to compiling data. I am kind of embarrassed for you that you would even make that comparison.

Tell me why a past visit to Nigeria gives you some magical insight into this situation? Are you saying the media are lying and Muslims aren’t killing Christians? From what I’ve read, the Muslims are very proud of these actions and openly calling for more. Is this all made up to unfairly persecute the poor Muslims? Are Muslims the victim??

Past visits, actually.

Did you actually read the part where I said that this is something that Christians and Muslims have been doing to each other for years? Christians kill Muslims. Muslims kill Christians. The cycle continues. When you completely disregard one side, it does look pretty horrible, I admit, and violence isn't the answer.

What I am telling you is that Muslims extremists are not the only ones killing anyone in Nigeria. To claim otherwise is ignorant. To perpetuate that claim after being corrected is WILLFUL ignorance.

reply to post by Furbs

What I am telling you is that Muslims extremists are not the only ones killing anyone in Nigeria. To claim otherwise is ignorant. To perpetuate that claim after being corrected is WILLFUL ignorance.

Muslim extremists are the ones killing RIGHT NOW. This thread is about the actions NOW. The fights back and forth between Christians and Muslims in Nigeria started because Muslims were trying to impose Sharia in every part of the country including the Christian portion. Damn right they’re going to fight!!

Muslims seem to always get into these conflicts around the world simply because they are compelled to impose their religion on others.

dbl