How Torah Jews were sold out by the U.N in 1948

The History of Zionism and Judaism

Above is the link to an article on "Jews Against Zionism" Website. Please read this article as it will give you a very quick understanding of the real history of the birth of the modern Zionist State of Israel.

We can 100% know that Zionism exists at the centre of modern Israel. Let us distinguish between what is the invading Zionism that for the first time ever in history took power in 1948 against the wishes of the native Jews of Palestine and the Jews of Old Judaism. There is a stark difference.

I present this as a quick crash course on Judaism and Zionism.

And for those who refuse to believe that Zionism exists just take a look at The Jerusalem Post today. That should convince you:

Jerusalem Post online

Thanks for your time. Be interesting to see how this special relationship of ZIONISM and The United States fairs in the coming years!

The post is a bad example. It no more reflects their peoples views than our own newspapers here in the US. I would say the same about the government if our papers are any indication. There are always peoples on both sides of the coin, and perhaps even more various views than we see.

god bless america for zionism!
it was usa first foot in the door to control the middle east!
don't blame the jews,muslims,or palastine. blame the war pigs,and big money!

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I suggest anyone interested in this topic check this book out:

The Wandering Who

An investigation of Jewish identity politics and Jewish contemporary ideology using both popular culture and scholarly texts. Jewish identity is tied up with some of the most difficult and contentious issues of today. The purpose in this book is to open many of these issues up for discussion. Since Israel defines itself openly as the ‘Jewish State’, we should ask what the notions of ’Judaism’, ‘Jewishness’, ‘Jewish culture’ and ‘Jewish ideology’ stand for. Gilad examines the tribal aspects embedded in Jewish secular discourse, both Zionist and anti Zionist; the ‘holocaust religion’; the meaning of ‘history’ and ‘time’ within the Jewish political discourse; the anti-Gentile ideologies entangled within different forms of secular Jewish political discourse and even within the Jewish left. He questions what it is that leads Diaspora Jews to identify themselves with Israel and affiliate with its politics. The devastating state of our world affairs raises an immediate demand for a conceptual shift in our intellectual and philosophical attitude towards politics, identity politics and history.

I read the e-book. In fact, I read it over the course of the x-mas break because I just couldn't put it down.

Gilad Atzmon is an Israeli Jew, served in the IDF, and is now at the forefront of exposing zionism and it's aims.

The book itself is more about explaining the difference between Judaism and Zionism, and gives a good explanation of how some of these views were able to take hold in Israel, and how that by extension is actually changing the very nature of Judaism.

Zionism is National Socialism and Racism packaged as Politics while being used as Religion.

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Atzmon was on Rense the other day
he struck me as being an inteligent honest caring human being
and after reading sources like the history detailed in the OPs source Jews against zionism which I have often quoted in the past
I can understand why Atzmon et al feel the way they do

Originally posted by Revolution9
se who refuse to believe that Zionism exists just take a look at The Jerusalem Post today. That should convince you:

The OP is referring to this article
Following mortar fire, IDF kills 2 in strike on Gaza

Gaza is going down to # everyday

I noticed this comment by one of their viewers

israel has been killing so called senior members of various terrorist orgs for decades with no results. Perhaps its time to start killing lower level members

Ya lower level members like civilians? That'll fix your so called "problem" in Gaza. Pathetic

Originally posted by theRhenn
The post is a bad example. It no more reflects their peoples views than our own newspapers here in the US. I would say the same about the government if our papers are any indication. There are always peoples on both sides of the coin, and perhaps even more various views than we see.

I am just explaining history here, with a modern day catch line of course.

There is no real statistical data to tell us how all the people really feel on all sides.

This is history and has nothing to do with newspapers. My intention was to state the case of history and to settle once and for all that Israel is a Zionist State, that it became so in 1948 when recognised by the U.N.It is a unique State and has never existed before. It is not Jewish, it is Zionist. It is all over The Jrusalem Post home page.

We can say without doubt Israel is Zionist and we must now determine what Zionism is. Can anybody inform me?

Thanks.

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by Revolution9

 

I suggest anyone interested in this topic check this book out:

The Wandering Who

An investigation of Jewish identity politics and Jewish contemporary ideology using both popular culture and scholarly texts. Jewish identity is tied up with some of the most difficult and contentious issues of today. The purpose in this book is to open many of these issues up for discussion. Since Israel defines itself openly as the ‘Jewish State’, we should ask what the notions of ’Judaism’, ‘Jewishness’, ‘Jewish culture’ and ‘Jewish ideology’ stand for. Gilad examines the tribal aspects embedded in Jewish secular discourse, both Zionist and anti Zionist; the ‘holocaust religion’; the meaning of ‘history’ and ‘time’ within the Jewish political discourse; the anti-Gentile ideologies entangled within different forms of secular Jewish political discourse and even within the Jewish left. He questions what it is that leads Diaspora Jews to identify themselves with Israel and affiliate with its politics. The devastating state of our world affairs raises an immediate demand for a conceptual shift in our intellectual and philosophical attitude towards politics, identity politics and history.

I read the e-book. In fact, I read it over the course of the x-mas break because I just couldn't put it down.

Gilad Atzmon is an Israeli Jew, served in the IDF, and is now at the forefront of exposing zionism and it's aims.

The book itself is more about explaining the difference between Judaism and Zionism, and gives a good explanation of how some of these views were able to take hold in Israel, and how that by extension is actually changing the very nature of Judaism.

Zionism is National Socialism and Racism packaged as Politics while being used as Religion.

Thanks so much for that link and your contribution. I welcome your suggestion and will go and check all this out.

I wanted this kind of information to get a better view myself. Thanks so much.

Originally posted by Danbones
reply to post by phishyblankwaters

 

Atzmon was on Rense the other day
he struck me as being an inteligent honest caring human being
and after reading sources like the history detailed in the OPs source Jews against zionism which I have often quoted in the past
I can understand why Atzmon et al feel the way they do

Thanks. I am going to go and read about him now. I am very interested. Great input from you guys, giving me that help in my study of this.

Originally posted by seenavv

Originally posted by Revolution9
se who refuse to believe that Zionism exists just take a look at The Jerusalem Post today. That should convince you:

The OP is referring to this article
Following mortar fire, IDF kills 2 in strike on Gaza

Gaza is going down to # everyday

I noticed this comment by one of their viewers

israel has been killing so called senior members of various terrorist orgs for decades with no results. Perhaps its time to start killing lower level members

Ya lower level members like civilians? That'll fix your so called "problem" in Gaza. Pathetic

edit on 9-3-2012 by seenavv because: (no reason given)

I was not referring to this article. You have sabotaged my link. My post is nothing about this incident per se, though I agree it is an up to the minute demonstration of what is the very real human symptom of the Zionist cause and the Palestinians response.

So, while you have put up a link that I AM NOT LINKING TO I accept your contribution on that basis only.

My link was to the Jerusalem Post newspaper online and the fact that it has Zionism written all over the home page, with a joint U.S Isreali Flag. I hope that is clear. Thanks.

Originally posted by reficul
god bless america for zionism!
it was usa first foot in the door to control the middle east!
don't blame the jews,muslims,or palastine. blame the war pigs,and big money!

I understand totally your sentiments! Yes, I agree! All about Power, Money and War.
The cost of all this in terms of destruction of human lives is staggering! Is there no answer to this? Must it continue like this?

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power in numbers! fight for your right. stop listening to the govn't,and respect other people's clans.
live in peace and love one another! its that simple!
peace

Originally posted by Revolution9

Originally posted by seenavv

Originally posted by Revolution9
se who refuse to believe that Zionism exists just take a look at The Jerusalem Post today. That should convince you:

The OP is referring to this article
Following mortar fire, IDF kills 2 in strike on Gaza

Gaza is going down to # everyday

I noticed this comment by one of their viewers

israel has been killing so called senior members of various terrorist orgs for decades with no results. Perhaps its time to start killing lower level members

Ya lower level members like civilians? That'll fix your so called "problem" in Gaza. Pathetic

edit on 9-3-2012 by seenavv because: (no reason given)

I was not referring to this article. You have sabotaged my link. My post is nothing about this incident per se, though I agree it is an up to the minute demonstration of what is the very real human symptom of the Zionist cause and the Palestinians response.

So, while you have put up a link that I AM NOT LINKING TO I accept your contribution on that basis only.

My link was to the Jerusalem Post newspaper online and the fact that it has Zionism written all over the home page, with a joint U.S Isreali Flag. I hope that is clear. Thanks.

edit on 9-3-2012 by Revolution9 because: spelling.

oh my bad

thats the first thing that caught my eye when I went to Jerusalem Post and I thought thats what you were referring to, especially because it fit in with the context of the victims of Zionism

It always amuses me these topics. You say youre "presenting the facts", when as a matter of fact, you presenting someone else's opinion. You yourself know didily squat on the subject, which is why you refer to someone else's work.

As someone who has studied Judaism for 5 or 6 years, with hundreds of books on Philosophy, Mysticism/Theology, and books all along the religious-historical spectrum, I can only marvel at how completely and obnoxiously ignorant you are of this subject.

I'm too tired and I have too great a headache to bother with trying to explain to you where you are wrong. you'll either ignore what I have to write, or come back with more ignorant bull# because you can't face the much more complicated reality of the issue - and this, because you are much too ignorant of this subject matter to engage in any constructive dialogue.

Suffice to say, Judaism VERY MUCH accommodates the political notion of nationality, since, as ANYONE who has read the Bible knows, the Torah given to the Jews was meant to be ADMINISTERED by the governmental body.

It's as if the two Jewish kingdoms, the Hasmonean kingdom, the great sanhedrin, etc, didn't exist. What do you think these institutions were? The Israelite religion - which retrogressed after the dispersion into something called "Judaism" - has both secular (the government) and religious (the sanhedrin) prerogatives. Anyone who fails to understand that is pitifully ignorant of Jewish rabbinic texts and the Metaphysical-Theological crux of the Hebraic idea.

The 'mizvoth' are not merely for the purpose of coming close to God; their chief and preeminent purpose is to radically transform the nature of human society, and therefore, the human being. Israel is the prototype of this transformation. They are the trailblazer which mankind will eventually follow.

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hey Revolution9
to me, zionism is two .....political and the Biblical view
the one we see and read about these days is evil zionism. we will inherit the good one in a decade or so and then things will be right.
right now there is a bunch of evil buzzards running the world from Israel, but not for long. these persons are mentioned in the Scripture....yep.....God tells what he will do with them in front of everyone, and it's not pretty. Yes ...God addresses this problem in the Holy Scriptures

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Zionist do exist. here :

Real Zionists please stand up !!!

and there.

Even on ATS.

reply to post by Revolution9


Great post, It's nice to see people have intelligent discussion this subject. If I may suggestt a author of a book called "The General's Son" by author "Miko Peled".

If you want to see what this book and the author are about then watch the full video below. It's worth watching even if you don't accept his take on the situation of Israel and the version of Truth that Zionist suppress.

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These zionest Jews have been Round since the beginning of time , they are Kenite Jews that claim to be Jews but are rather of the synagog of Satan . They are the same Jews that put Christ to death , that wrote the Talmud and run the banks . They do the bidding of their father the devil and know they are of his seed line. They have had many names thru the centuries but always one purpose to pave the way for dads return and deceive humanity away from their true father God.

Originally posted by seenavv

Originally posted by Revolution9

Originally posted by seenavv

Originally posted by Revolution9
se who refuse to believe that Zionism exists just take a look at The Jerusalem Post today. That should convince you:

The OP is referring to this article
Following mortar fire, IDF kills 2 in strike on Gaza

Gaza is going down to # everyday

I noticed this comment by one of their viewers

israel has been killing so called senior members of various terrorist orgs for decades with no results. Perhaps its time to start killing lower level members

Ya lower level members like civilians? That'll fix your so called "problem" in Gaza. Pathetic

edit on 9-3-2012 by seenavv because: (no reason given)

I was not referring to this article. You have sabotaged my link. My post is nothing about this incident per se, though I agree it is an up to the minute demonstration of what is the very real human symptom of the Zionist cause and the Palestinians response.

So, while you have put up a link that I AM NOT LINKING TO I accept your contribution on that basis only.

My link was to the Jerusalem Post newspaper online and the fact that it has Zionism written all over the home page, with a joint U.S Isreali Flag. I hope that is clear. Thanks.

edit on 9-3-2012 by Revolution9 because: spelling.

oh my bad

thats the first thing that caught my eye when I went to Jerusalem Post and I thought thats what you were referring to, especially because it fit in with the context of the victims of Zionism

It's cool. I think your post was good because it does add to this thread in terms of the symptoms. So I thank you anyway and don't mind a bit!

Originally posted by dontreally
It always amuses me these topics. You say youre "presenting the facts", when as a matter of fact, you presenting someone else's opinion. You yourself know didily squat on the subject, which is why you refer to someone else's work.

As someone who has studied Judaism for 5 or 6 years, with hundreds of books on Philosophy, Mysticism/Theology, and books all along the religious-historical spectrum, I can only marvel at how completely and obnoxiously ignorant you are of this subject.

I'm too tired and I have too great a headache to bother with trying to explain to you where you are wrong. you'll either ignore what I have to write, or come back with more ignorant bull# because you can't face the much more complicated reality of the issue - and this, because you are much too ignorant of this subject matter to engage in any constructive dialogue.

Suffice to say, Judaism VERY MUCH accommodates the political notion of nationality, since, as ANYONE who has read the Bible knows, the Torah given to the Jews was meant to be ADMINISTERED by the governmental body.

It's as if the two Jewish kingdoms, the Hasmonean kingdom, the great sanhedrin, etc, didn't exist. What do you think these institutions were? The Israelite religion - which retrogressed after the dispersion into something called "Judaism" - has both secular (the government) and religious (the sanhedrin) prerogatives. Anyone who fails to understand that is pitifully ignorant of Jewish rabbinic texts and the Metaphysical-Theological crux of the Hebraic idea.

The 'mizvoth' are not merely for the purpose of coming close to God; their chief and preeminent purpose is to radically transform the nature of human society, and therefore, the human being. Israel is the prototype of this transformation. They are the trailblazer which mankind will eventually follow.

Well I do know my subject very well being half jewish and having spent time in Israel and having friends that Palestine is shooting missiles at as we speak!

I have read my history! Any State on this earth has come to birth through violent means. Israel is no exception.

I am trying to understand what ZIONISM is. Can you help with that? You are obviously very enlightened on the subject. May be you might seek to enlighten me rather than call me "ignorant". I have posted facts! I have posted what happened to the Jews who were there living peacefully with their neighbours and how they lost recognition as a spereate people from the Zionist State. You and I both know there are many Jews in the world who are very uncomfortable with Zionism.

If you had rested from your JUDGEMENT that I was "ignorant" and that I would attack you in a rude way, you are very wrong; it is not me atall. I am very humble and I post here to learn. I like constructive criticism and information that teaches me. You have added to this thread and I am very respectful of that and I value your contribution, but please NEVER call me "ignorant" again. You do not know me! If you question my motives then do so in a polite fashion.

However, I will over look the bad bits in your reply and concentrate on the constructive elements of your comment. Thank you.

I remain HUMBLY your's and I do not pretend to have the whole picture: I am learning all the time.

Just to express one other theory to you; Have you come across the theory that all the Jews who died in Europe by puppet Hitler were deliberately sacrificed so the Zionist State might be brought into being? I have. I am not saying it is true, but it is a persuasive arguement when you study it!