What Do The Female Members Of ATS Think About The War In Iraq ?

Originally posted by worldwatcher
and a bigger issue of North Korea who actually has WMD's isn't being handled properly by the Bush Admin.

N. Korea's WMD ARE DEFINATELY a big issue. G.W. has handed this
off (for the time being) to the six nations who have North Korea in
their back yard. S. Korea, Japan, China to name a few.

The world complains that America gets too involved. Now G.W. is
not getting America involved and is letting the countries from that
region handle the problem ... and he gets criticized for it.

He can't win either way.

Originally posted by RATT
Whats the difference from a male oppinion and a femaile oppinion? Nanna_of_6 I don't know how to put this in other words but is this a slezzy way to get girls?

Ratt, There is not much of a difference for "opionions", I wanted to know from a woman's point of view because we're the ones that carry our children for nine months inside our bodies, go through "pain" to give birth ( which a man has no clue about that pain), we nuture our children differently than a man does,ie; kiss their hurts, smooth their feeling, as they grow, where as a man is more , "well Manly" in their behavior, with their children, as the children grow .
The saying "that mothers (humans) are like a feline tigeress", We are the worst type of animal to piss off, when it comes to protecting our children.

I take it that your a man,...... so you may not understand this part of a woman nature. Some men think, us women can be real Bxtches and thier not that far from the truth, specially when it comes to our young being in danger or being hurt .

I think that after seen the grieving mother being arrested on TV, it definitely has make more women across the nation aware of the feeling that families with love ones in Iraq and Afghanistan are having if one of their own is to come back in a coffin.

Yes it is a lot of grieving families out there but due to the respect to their privacy we don't get to hear much what they have to say unless something like the incident with Mrs. bush happened.

Occurs interrupting the first lady is not justified but it did open door to the sentiments of so many in this country, and their views of the war.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by worldwatcher
and a bigger issue of North Korea who actually has WMD's isn't being handled properly by the Bush Admin.

N. Korea's WMD ARE DEFINATELY a big issue. G.W. has handed this
off (for the time being) to the six nations who have North Korea in
their back yard. S. Korea, Japan, China to name a few.

The world complains that America gets too involved. Now G.W. is
not getting America involved and is letting the countries from that
region handle the problem ... and he gets criticized for it.

He can't win either way.

I concur

Originally posted by Rokgodes
I am hesitant to respond to this thread, but here goes.

Of course, I wouldn't want my child to go (for my own selfish reasons!) but I would never interfere with their decision to join the military.

I hope and pray that we will always continue to have brave citizens who want to serve their country by enlisting in the military. Otherwise, we may not continue to have a country that is like no other in the world.

Now be gentle, lol.

Rokgodes

I agree with the selfish reasons, but i would do my best in trying to talk to my children, to dis-sway them from "this War", because there is an idiot in the white House, at this time, that DOES NOT care about our children, all he has shown that he cares about is his self and his oil-friends , I would feel differently about this whole situation ( I think), if it was ANYONE other than George W Bush as commander-in-chief, as you noticed, I said ANYONE because no one else can be as stupid as this man seems to be, and treat the US citizens as if we can't see what he's done wrong. He's used the 9/11 attack on our people as an excuse to attack the Country of Iraq a country that was not doing anything to us.

Hey
In canada, military is nothing...no one I know went to the military it's really BS!!!! In canada, we are always low profile in WARS....

I'm totally againts ANY kind of war, even for vengeance or a vendetta or what ever!!! War, violence of any kind is againts my beleifs. In canada, people are against war (most of the them)...I'm so glad I live here!!!
But this one, the war against "terror" is completely invented by the ''highest of the governements" to control everybody.
Don't fall for it...I watch your news on CNN...totally, totally disinfos!

Amelia
Keep your head high
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Originally posted by nanna_of_6

Ratt, There is not much of a difference for "opionions", I wanted to know from a woman's point of view because we're the ones that carry our children for nine months inside our bodies, go through "pain" to give birth ( which a man has no clue about that pain), we nuture our children differently than a man does,ie; kiss their hurts, smooth their feeling, as they grow, where as a man is more , "well Manly" in their behavior, with their children, as the children grow .
The saying "that mothers (humans) are like a feline tigeress", We are the worst type of animal to piss off, when it comes to protecting our children.

Nanna, I take your question to be along the lines of understanding the psyches of the two sexes.

I agree with your analysis to a point in that women tend to be more nurturing than males who seem to display that same nurturing style when it comes to daughters, with a fierce proclivity for protecting them which tends to diminish after adolescence. Obviously the testosterone hormone plays a role in explaining how quickly males would escalate a heated discussion into a challenge to step outside and settle it in a brawl, or even that a sport can often erupt into a fisticuffs match between friends on opposing teams.

Males tend to prefer to settle challenges with brawn, big guns, and powerful toys for an alpha score in their locker room stories. It is akin to sporting a doe's head over the mantle and basking in the fact that they overcame the challenge of bringing down this large animal whose only mode of defense was a fleet turn of foot, with a deadly weapon, while hiding quietly behind some bushes. Mind you some females enjoy that also, but I think for the most part females would look at that deer and want to feed it, not eat it.

Originally posted by livenlearn
I've got a simple question. What would your views be if we had found already, or still eventually find WMD's, or we suddenly prove that they were in Iraq's very near future?

My views at this time will not change, due to the "point", there were NO WMDs in Iraq as George Bush claimed, the inspectors did not find any, we have not found any, and there's no point in guessing as "into" the future of finding those WMDs when they haven't been found YET ! There's no point in trying to do a 'guessing " game George Bush has done enough of that already.

[edit on 21-9-2004 by nanna_of_6]

Originally posted by valkeryie

Originally posted by Rokgodes
Of course, I wouldn't want my child to go (for my own selfish reasons!) but I would never interfere with their decision to join the military.


Well the Draft takes away their decision, they are "volunteered", not volunterring. Big difference.

This "quote" " Well the Draft takes away their decision, they are "volunteered", not volunterring. Big difference.", is sooooo TRUE, and Bush plans on inacting the draft again after the election IF he remains in office. So my advice to all parents, " Spend as much time as you can with your children now, because there may never be another chance to ", when the "draft" kicks in.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by worldwatcher
and a bigger issue of North Korea who actually has WMD's isn't being handled properly by the Bush Admin.

N. Korea's WMD ARE DEFINATELY a big issue. G.W. has handed this
off (for the time being) to the six nations who have North Korea in
their back yard. S. Korea, Japan, China to name a few.

The world complains that America gets too involved. Now G.W. is
not getting America involved and is letting the countries from that
region handle the problem ... and he gets criticized for it.

He can't win either way.

I'm sorry, but, George W Bush needs to be more than criticized, IMO . He knew that N. Korea was becoming a problem and a huge threat, he knew this, but yet he sends our troops into Iraq, a country that HAD NO WMDs and not enough of anything to make them with if they had wanted to, "shaking head " in dis-belief of the president's reasoning.

I am not trying to put our "Troops" down in any way, it is not their fault,.... they are blameless, because they are just following the orders given them by a madman.
Yes, I DO BLAME George W Bush and his hands are drenched in the blood of the fallen and the innocent people of Iraq. I still beleive that he had his hand in the mix of 9/11,..... WHY?........ because he has done an about-face, instead of "staying the course" (his words, not mine) and tracking down Bin Laden,..... putting everything into that,...... he "dived" right into a war with Iraq without thinking (if thats possiable for him ), and planning.

Originally posted by SomewhereinBetween

Originally posted by nanna_of_6

Ratt, There is not much of a difference for "opionions", I wanted to know from a woman's point of view because we're the ones that carry our children for nine months inside our bodies, go through "pain" to give birth ( which a man has no clue about that pain), we nuture our children differently than a man does,ie; kiss their hurts, smooth their feeling, as they grow, where as a man is more , "well Manly" in their behavior, with their children, as the children grow .
The saying "that mothers (humans) are like a feline tigeress", We are the worst type of animal to piss off, when it comes to protecting our children.

Nanna, I take your question to be along the lines of understanding the psyches of the two sexes.

I agree with your analysis to a point in that women tend to be more nurturing than males who seem to display that same nurturing style when it comes to daughters, with a fierce proclivity for protecting them which tends to diminish after adolescence. Obviously the testosterone hormone plays a role in explaining how quickly males would escalate a heated discussion into a challenge to step outside and settle it in a brawl, or even that a sport can often erupt into a fisticuffs match between friends on opposing teams.

Males tend to prefer to settle challenges with brawn, big guns, and powerful toys for an alpha score in their locker room stories. It is akin to sporting a doe's head over the mantle and basking in the fact that they overcame the challenge of bringing down this large animal whose only mode of defense was a fleet turn of foot, with a deadly weapon, while hiding quietly behind some bushes. Mind you some females enjoy that also, but I think for the most part females would look at that deer and want to feed it, not eat it.

This is exactly what I was trying to say, and yes I do agree that the men become inraged and very protective of their daughters, when it comes to their daughters, but mothers are very protective of "all" their children, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that a man would not put their life on the line for all their children,.....
Men just don't get worked up as easy.

Here's how I feel as opposed to how I think logically.

I feel that we were duped, I knew something was fishy right from the get go, I feel that government often justifies it's actions by using really flimsy excuses, this war goes hand in hand with the patriot act. I feel we are being told bs excuses to justify the war and to justify the patriot one and two.

I do know that there are Islamic extremists, and that they have been around for hundreds of years. I know about the battle of tripoli when jefferson was president, I know that the war there was justified because they had american hostages. now if there is an american hostage the government doesn't care if they get beheaded. Your on your own.

Funny when your here the government wants to keep a close eye on you to make sure your not doing bucking them or what have you, and the minute your overseas and get taken hostage they could give two #s about you.

So thats how I "feel" i'm very angry towards this administration, i'm very angry that people are trying to vote back in a pack of criminal minds. I'm angry that we're slowly getting our freedoms stipped away and nobody thinks it will actually affect us except "terrorists" I'm angry that we're constantly being lied to.

Now logically " I happy not one terrorist attack has occured on us soil because security is so tight, I understand bush and friends are working to make sure we remain safe, and logically I think that bush co needs to stop being politically correct and start watching the middle eastern immigrants more then the who 228 million of us that dwell here in this country. Yes it's racist but those are the people who want to cut our throats so # em.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Last year he promised a multi-trillion $$$ package to Africa to
fight AIDS there. That isn't relating to the rich. That's helping
poor black people on the other side of the planet.

How to put this... You are so misinformed that it truly calls into question what you actually believe. Do some more research on the statement you just made and see if your opinions of the Bush administration change.

Start here:
news.bbc.co.uk...

As you can see, Bush didn't promise a "Multi-Trillion" dollar package to anyone. In fact, the US will spend $15 billion dollars on AIDS worldwide (not just in Africa, for goodness sake) and much of it must be distributed through "faith-based" programs that don't provide condoms or treatment. The money that does go to treatment goes to overpriced drugs that gain huge profits for Bush-friendly pharmaceutical companies.

"Poor black people" is another ignorant statement. Do you think there are no white people in Africa? Ever been to South Africa? Some estimate that a third of the sexually active population there is HIV+. Do you think only black people get AIDS? And that all of them are poor? This is the ignorance that has allowed AIDS to gain such a foothold across the globe.

So, $15 billion to AIDS globally over 5 years and $200 billion plus to kill Iraqis and get another term for George Bush over 2 years. Where do you think his priorities really are?

oppodeldoc

I read about the cuts on the programs for aid about 4 weeks ago you are so right about that and do you know who is in charge of that money or must of it?

Somebody with ties in the big pharmaceutical business. Such a pity.

Very much against it, and I think Bush is a complete idiot.

For the record, my brother is a high level officer in the military, two nephews have served in Iraq (one goes back soon), my son was in the Navy, my mom was in the Navy... and I enlisted during the Vietnam war (but did not get to serve because of a heart condition.)

I'm not against war. I am, however, against THIS war.

Well, the news today is that the draft if in place and just waiting for King George's re-election.

This qualifies many members of my family. To you, I say, if George is re-elected, thank you very much for your lack of compassion, for your lack of the human gene, and your lack of wisdom to make this what many people have to look forward to soon.

Those of you gung ho on this Bush's war, dont have any children, and if you do, you just dont care. This is truly sad. And to think most of you are professed christians....unbeleivable.

Warmongers of the world UNITE!

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by worldwatcher
and a bigger issue of North Korea who actually has WMD's isn't being handled properly by the Bush Admin.

N. Korea's WMD ARE DEFINATELY a big issue. G.W. has handed this
off (for the time being) to the six nations who have North Korea in
their back yard. S. Korea, Japan, China to name a few.

The world complains that America gets too involved. Now G.W. is
not getting America involved and is letting the countries from that
region handle the problem ... and he gets criticized for it.

He can't win either way.

Reason he cant win either way is because he's a lying loser.

Originally posted by marg6043
I think that after seen the grieving mother being arrested on TV, it definitely has make more women across the nation aware of the feeling that families with love ones in Iraq and Afghanistan are having if one of their own is to come back in a coffin.

Yep, that was not a good day for America, when She was arrested, being treated like that, after her "son" paid the price that he did, for Bush's lies. (shajing head) a very sad day.

I guess if the speech bush gave at the UN was not nice enough to get the UN to come to US rescue in Iraq I guess US will have to dig into our young to get his agenda of working.

I wonder how the American families knowing that Iraq is not doing well are going to react to this new bill.

I see it like sending our children to slaughter for bushes mistake.

Now if the UN take full active participation in Iraq I will have not problem. US just cannot do the job by itself.

And by the way my son and my daughter are prime candidates and I know is a lot of other mothers that are in the same position as me.

[edit on 21-9-2004 by marg6043]

I may be throwing myslelf out to the wolves on this one, but i don't care. Personally I disagree with many of you. First of all, being a woman in this day and age is no different than a man in war. We can both fight.

Secondly, I agree with the war in Iraq. Whether or not there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Bush was only relaying information that he had recieved from trusted sources. Say there were weapons and they were just moved to Syria, why couldn't that be the case. We cannot be one hundred percent positive that there were no weapons of mass destruciton.

Speak to a soldier who has come back from Iraq and ask him if what the media relays to us about the people despising our presence is truth.They definitely outnumber us, and if they didn't want us there they would surely try and fight us away. If they are willing to decapitate and blow others up, why wouldn't they as a group have an uprising?

Our presence there has been very beneficial to the people. schools are being built, bridges rebuilt, women are regaining the self-worth and respect they deserve. If we were to leave now, there would be utter chaos, and those who want to terrorize our nation would indefinitely take Iraq under their control.

Our soldiers were not drafted into the military. If they joined, then they knew the risk. War happens, and that is what their training is all about.

there are many articles/speeches that have information about our progress. please refer to my 9/23 post for links


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