WARNING! IMPORTANT!: WE ARE NOT being told the full story about the Kony situation!

Hmmm...

2009 Oil find sparks new hope for Uganda's people
www.guardian.co.uk...

2011 US President Barack Obama in October 2011 announced he was sending 100 special forces soldiers to Uganda to help track down Kony.
www.bbc.co.uk...

Originally posted by jewells
reply to post by Asktheanimals

 

Are we looking at the same information?



link

edit on 8-3-2012 by jewells because: Lol coz I cant upload pictures!! (sorry!)

From the 'Critiques' page-
link

edit on 8-3-2012 by jewells because: (no reason given)

I don't think so, here's my link - c2052482.r82.cf0.rackcdn.com...
2011 Financial statement

Now, this is the type of thread I joined ATS for; the kind of thread that doesn't conform to the obvious and really tries to look at the picture from every possible angle, even if such angles could be deemed ‘politically incorrect’ by some. To the OP I say, BRAVO! Star and Flag for you!

I've been following the 'Kony situation' as the OP calls it since it exploded, and all I have to say about it is, in this world of convoluted hidden agendas and interests, BEWARE of causes that appeal to visceral reactions for support, especially one of this magnitude. Truth of the matter is we all know Africa as a continent has been ravaged by warfare and genocide and abuse of all kinds for centuries. There are hundreds of men like this monster, leaders of so called ‘liberation groups’, political and clan leaders, et al, committing brutal and unspeakable crimes against their own people all over the place. Horrible tragedies that are going on right now in Rwanda, Somalia, Congo, Liberia, Ethiopia, Sudan, Angola, and the list goes on, whilst the UN Security Council sit on their asses staring at their expensive shoes and twiddling their fingers trying to come up with a politer variation of the word ‘genocide’ because that particular word is too much of a hassle for their pretty minds to assimilate. And it gives them acid reflux.

Personally, I believe that the reason nobody has done anything substantial to stop the war in Africa (because it is an ongoing continental war, with multiple factions in multiple countries; doesn’t matter what euphemism they use) is simply because this war generates (or generated to this point) a LOT OF MONEY to TPTB, through arms and drugs dealing, people trafficking, diamond smuggling, etc, etc, etc, and it was too big of a piñata to break so early on in the game. But now, well, things are changing, the world is not what it was 20, 30, 50 years ago, information travels fast, people are starting to wake up (somewhat) from their sedated stupor, so they now are deciding, we can’t keep the piñata, but we can enjoy the rest of the party: ‘Let us not just bring PEACE to these poor people, but also let them PAY US for it! All natural resources welcome.’

Oh, the games we play.

Originally posted by quedup
LOOK and LISTEN - I just watched that Video and It's broken my heart in two. What the hell are you saying. Are you saying we just #ing sit back and do nothing. Because that's the trouble with this damn world.

How many Konys are there that we don't know about. No we don't end it with bombs but we use PEOPLE POWER - we are joined now by Modern Technology and still don't have the brains to use it to our advantage.

If it's being used as a Problem, Reaction, Solution - we stop those Bastards too but we don't sit back on our butts anymore for the Love Of God - Evil only happens because we allow it to - when will we learn.

My insides are turning and somersaulting so much I'm finding it difficult to type - WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU SAYING?

What does David Icke say about this? I want to know?

DO I BELIEVE YOU OR DO I BELIEVE THE GUY WHO MADE THIS VIDEO?



Do you realise that you are play God - how dare you.

Forgive me if I have got you all wrong - I can't bring myself to read the posts on this thread I am so upset. Maybe next week.

JUST DELIVERING MY VOICE! Because I'm human.

edit on 7-3-2012 by quedup because: (no reason given)

...


"Do you realise that you are play God - how dare you."


Dude are you serious? I don't know what playing god even is or how to do it, or what God is to your or me...

You do know, this is firstly a topic on ATS, and secondly in the prediction board. I attempted to voice my prediction based on trends I've studied, voice my criticism of the legitamacy of the movement and Invisible Children, in addition to my despisal of interventionist policy. Thats all

Originally posted by liquidsmoke206
reply to post by kosmicjack

 

its being sold to young people because we know how to mobilize, use technology, aren't as jaded, and actually have energy, what have old people done since being old?

edit on 7-3-2012 by liquidsmoke206 because: (no reason given)

It's being sold to you because you are easy to manipulate, and believe anything you see on video.

That's why the military recruits you too, you are easy to brainwash.

You are the living proof.

The video was clearly created by the Obama administration as a propaganda hit piece to rally support for what he has in store.

See my last post here.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I do think there are some legitimate questions asked in this thread, and agree that we should remain critical and reasonable under all circumstances. However, until this whole thing plays out and a result is observed, a lot of these allegations remain pure speculation (admittedly though, a whole part of ATS is dedicated to speculation - after all any odd light in the sky gets a UFO thread here). It's a simple case of jumping to conclusions prematurely.I haven't come across a single source showing me evidence that there is some sinister plan at work here. Without evidence to back your allegations, it becomes a misplaced skepticism based on a "feeling" or a "hunch" which some of you claim to have about this whole affair and unjustifiably gives way to ideas of all kinds of hidden agenda's behind Invisible Children. Again; I'm not saying you are wrong, you may be right in the end, but most of it (for now) remains no more than an empty shell of speculation.

Like posted earlier in this thread, I suggest people actually look at this list of answers addressing the criticisms on Invisible Children and their campaign against Kony:
s3.amazonaws.com...

Blacklisted News has an indepth look at KONY.

And yes, this appears to be a social media propaganda blitz.

Not too suprised to find George Soros name in the mix either!

Laren Poole, Co Founder of Invisible Children addressing the Criminal Court
in 2009 with George Soros Pro War Open Society Institute...
www.internationalcriminaljustice.net...

In a 2011 financial statement, the organization disclosed that only 31% of all the funds they receive are used for charitable purposes, with the majority allocated toward travel expenses and employee salaries. Invisible Children has also been accused of fraud and voter manipulation in a recent charity contest sponsored by Chase Bank and Facebook.

The group’s Co-Founder and President, Laren Poole addressed the International Criminal Court in 2009 alongside Aryeh Neier, President of George Soros’ pro-war Open Society Institute.

www.blacklistednews.com...

The US military currently has one hundred military officers training and overseeing the Ugandan military in anti-LRA operations. Due to the complete absence of LRA activity in Uganda, it becomes feasible that the US may be planning further operations in the resource rich DRC.

Over six million Congolese nationals have been killed in war since 1996, largely with US complicity. The regimes of Paul Kagame in Rwanda and Yoweri Museveni in Uganda have both received millions in military aid from the United States. Since the abhorrent failure of the 1993 US intervention in Somalia, the US has relied on the militaries of Rwanda, Uganda and Ethiopia to carry out US interests in proxy.

So, this has been an operation ongoing for quite some time!

More:

THIS back in October 2011 in the New York Times...

A senior Pentagon official underscored that the American military personnel would not be operating independently nor carrying out unilateral operations.

The official also said the United States had provided about $33 million in support to regional efforts to battle the Lord’s Resistance Army since 2008, an effort that has not been sufficient to guarantee that local security forces dismantle the group.

One effort has trained a light infantry battalion of the Democratic Republic of Congo’s military, with that unit now deployed in the Dungu region of northeastern Congo, where the Lord’s Resistance Army is operating.

www.nytimes.com...

From that article we learn that this goes back to George Bush in 2008.

American efforts to combat the group also took place during the administration of President George W. Bush, which authorized the Pentagon to send a team of 17 counterterrorism advisers to train Ugandan troops and provided millions of dollars worth of aid, including fuel trucks, satellite phones and night-vision goggles, to the Ugandan Army. Those efforts scattered segments of the Lord’s Resistance Army in recent years; its remnants dispersed and regrouped in Uganda’s neighbors

Strange

According to Invisible Children’s own LRA Crisis Tracker,
not a single case of LRA activity has been reported in Uganda since 2006.

www.lracrisistracker.com...

Suspicious

SAN DIEGO, California - September 28, 2011 – As totalitarian regimes around the world fall through
revolutions fueled by modern social networks like Twitter and Facebook,

www.csmonitor.com...

Going back to 2008 the LRA's delegation leader is reported speaking of himself
as an CIA operative. [b/] All is not as it seems

Apira famously refused to shake Museveni’s hand, claiming it was blood stained, when the Uganda president made a brief appearance in Juba and shook hands with some members of the Kony team.

The compromises meant the composition of the Kony team kept changing.

"That is why David Matsanga and others came in," she added, referring to the LRA’s current delegation leader to the peace negotiations. "The role of Matsanga needs some investigations. Who funded and facilitate him for the talks?

Sometimes he calls himself a CIA agent; other times an ICC expert; a conflict resolution expert and so forth."

blackstarnews.com...

This definitely seems to be some type of lame stream video upchuck of political do goodism. I would seriously hesitate on calling this cause whatever that may be (more war?) as legitimate.

reply to post by burntheships


Good stuff especially when you consider the recent Mysterious Ammo Depot explosion in DRC. 206 people died

BRAZZAVILLE, Republic of Congo - Homes and buildings collapsed in the Congolese capital after an arms depot exploded Sunday, killing at least 206 people and entombing countless others in crushed structures including inside two churches that buckled while parishioners were celebrating Mass, officials and witnesses said.

The shock waves shattered windows in a three-mile (five-kilometer) radius surrounding the barracks storing the munitions, including across the river that separates Brazzaville, the capital of the Republic of Congo, from Kinshasa, the capital of the larger Central African nation of Congo. Government spokesman Bienvenu Okyemi blamed a short-circuit for the fire that set off the successive blasts.

"It's like a tsunami passed through here," said Christine Ibata, a student. "The roofs of houses were blown off."

Some 1,500 people were injured, Okyemi said on national radio.

Read more: www.nydailynews.com...

They are attributing this explosion to an electrical short. Hmmm??
www.abovetopsecret.com...

So problem, reaction, solution. Problem: some kony guy. Reaction: OMG viral video when youtube can easily manipulate that. Solution: ?

War?

reply to post by Lord Jules


The propaganda video is designed to pull at the heartstrings and it apparently worked from some of the posts that I've read. It's a set up to garner support for the existing mission that is bound to escalate sooner than later. It already seems to be escalating based on the recent explosion. Odd coincidence considering our troops have recently established a forward operating base in the Democratic Republic of Congo.

Obama needs support for this mission and will bring out a full orchestra of violins to get it.... Because his policy has failed everywhere else. Egypt, Libya, Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan.

I've found the following, from Dr Adam Branch who is a professor living and working in Uganda right now.


dakinekristen.blogspot.com...

Critical Analysis of KONY 2012

Thursday, March 8, 2012
Email from Dr. Adam Branch in Response to KONY 2012.

I have not watched the video. As someone who has worked in and done research on the war in northern Uganda for over a decade, much of it with a local human rights organization based in Gulu, the Invisible Children organization and their videos have infuriated me to no end—I remember one sleepless night after I watched their “Rough Cut” film for the first time with a group of students, after which I tried to explain to the audience what was wrong with the film while on stage with one of the filmmakers.


My frustration with the group has largely reflected the concerns expressed so eloquently by those individuals who have been willing to bring the fury of Invisible Children’s true believers down upon themselves in order to point out what is wrong with what this group of young Americans is doing: the warmongering, the self-indulgence, the commercialization, the reductive and one-sided story they tell, their portrayal of Africans as helpless children in need of rescue by white Americans, and the fact that civilians in Uganda and central Africa may have to pay a steep price in their own lives so that a lot of young Americans can feel good about themselves, and a few can make good money. This, of course, is sickening, and I think that Kony 2012 is a case of Invisible Children having finally gone too far. They are now facing a backlash from people of conscience who refuse to abandon their capacity to think for themselves.

He makes the following bold claim Kony 2012 can be ignored.

Wait for it.....

First, because Invisible Children is a symptom, not a cause. It is an excuse that the US government has gladly adopted in order to help justify the expansion of their military presence in central Africa. Invisible Children are “useful idiots,” being used by those in the US government who seek to militarize Africa, to send more and more weapons and military aid, and to build the power of military rulers who are US allies. The hunt for Joseph Kony is the perfect excuse for this strategy—how often does the US government find millions of young Americans pleading that they intervene militarily in a place rich in oil and other resources? The US government would be pursuing this militarization with or without Invisible Children—Kony 2012 just makes it a bit easier. Therefore, it is the militarization we need to worry about, not Invisible Children.

Second, because in northern Uganda, people’s lives will be left untouched by this campaign, even if it were to achieve its stated objectives. This is not because things have entirely improved in the years since open fighting ended, but because the very serious problems people face today have little to do with Kony. The most significant problem people face is over land. Land speculators and so-called investors, many foreign, in collaboration with the Ugandan government and military, are trying to grab the land of the Acholi people, land that they were forced off of a decade ago when they were herded into camps. Another prominent problem is nodding disease—a deadly illness that has broken out among thousands of children who grew up in the government’s internment camps, subsisting on relief aid. Indeed, the problems people face today are the legacy of the camps, where over a million Acholi were forced to live, and die, for years by their own government. Today’s problems are the legacy of the government’s counterinsurgency, which received full support from the US government and international aid agencies.

reply to post by ScaryWorld


I noticed that too. I thought it was odd out of all days it would be that day,and at night too.

What a coincidence a child porn ring was busted in New York, yeah thats Ametica, not Uganda, and now all of a sudden we are supposed to care about 'invisible children' how about the non-invisible children servicing the elites? Also what a coincidence this distracts from the Breitbart death.

reply to post by TheBandit795


Brilliant find!! Thanks for posting. It makes perfect sense when you put it all in a timeline. The new frontier and militarization that is being lead by the UN.

reply to post by seenavv


Kony is a phoney.... he is not that bad... ok he has 30 thousand child soldiers but he feeds them and stuff. Without him they might have starved to death ages ago.

pz how can we see the invisible children if they are invisible...

Originally posted by TheBandit795

Now that just reeks of counter-propaganda.

If all activism is "propaganda" and the above quote is "propaganda",... where is the truth?

The truth is, thank god this thread is in the predictions forum where no facts exist.

The movie expresses how this is the day and age where people CAN make a difference.

The quote above expresses how if you try, you will just hurt more people and children.


Maybe he is right. Maybe we should al just go and hide our eyes, shield our ears,.. and live out our blissful little lives without a care for the world we live in. Maybe we shouldnt step up and help the little old lady in the street getting mugged because "someone else might get hurt". Maybe our founding fathers shouldnt have dumped the tea into the sea. Maybe,.....

reply to post by jibeho


Yes, it seems that it links right back to a CIA operation that has been ongoing...


CIA behind ‘Walk to Work’ protests – Matsanga claims

The United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) has been accused of hiding behind the on-going ‘Walk to Work’ protests that have resulted into the beating up of the country’s opposition leader Dr Kizza Besigye and the imprisonment of several leading and minor opposition figures.

In a scathing attack on the American secret agency and the methods used by Uganda’s political opposition, Dr David Matsanga, a former spokesman of Ugandan rebel movement, the Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA) has written to Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni pleading with him to find a way of reaching out to the opposition and not fall into a trap allegedly being set by the CIA in an attempt to bring down the Ugandan government. He said: “My position on the Uganda scenario is that the current acrimony created by foreign instigators under the guise of “walk to work” is a simple CIA mechanism of regime change in Africa.”

www.thelondoneveningpost.com...

OH LOOK:

Even found a leaked cable that seems to implicate Matsanga is a CIA operative:

But it states it is CLASSIFIED.
So I am not going to post it.

Search terms : LRA David Matsanga CIA

US embassy cable - 09KAMPALA1304

ETA expose explains that Kony and Matsanga, along with Yoweri Museveni have been
supping with the CIA for quite some time.

Richard Cottrell is a writer, journalist and former European MP (Conservative).

(LRA) rampaging around Uganda is nothing more than a US and Mossad-backed guerilla force.

Its task is to destabilize wide areas of Africa rich in minerals like Uganda, ex-French and Belgian Congo, and Sudan.

Joseph Kony, the self-appointed leader of the LRA, ex-choir boy, brilliantly flexible break dancer, the new US terrorist poster boy, has been on the CIA’s books for years.

More at EndtheLie.com - EndtheLie.com...

reply to post by 4hero

You have to remember those BAFTA films were 2x1/2 hrs long. Waay to long to capture attention span. But this is just righ, just under a half hour. People waste a half hr by accident all the time on the internet. fact is, people will support a "good" cause much more if there is so much attention to it that, you would have to educate yourself to find reasons why it shouldnt be supported in order to not be seen as uncaring. Don't have the time for that either - its sheep mentality one way or another benevelent or not. Coca Cola and Apple, probably just jotted down every advertising technique in the video.