Astronomer Locates Active UFO Stargate in Big Dipper!

>astronomer locates active UFO stargete in Big Dipper

I don't know about Big dipper, but astronomers have witnessed ufo's for centuries without knowing it. Many have requested proof of alien activity. It can not be done on the net as the observations were done through centuries and from before computers were made.
In short;
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The Case For The UFO
by Morris K. Jessup
1955: Bantam Books, New York

In many ways, the most intriguing data of all comes from the skeptical astronomers. Their observations do tend to be quantitative, timed, and documented. The astronomical data is more than merely qualitative. In other words, the astronomers themselves, being conscientious data hounds, were not content with merely seeing things move in space. Although unaware of the true nature of what they saw, they recorded as much as time and equipment would permit, and, as a result, they have enabled us to locate the habitat of the UFO's.

As with our own observations today, any single sighting by an astronomer could be a mistake or an illusion. But hundreds of sightings are involved, and dozens of serious reliable astronomers. Many round things have been seen crossing the discs of the sun and moon, and some in space with no background. Roundness implies spherical or discoid shapes.

Lights have been seen in space, some of them near Mercury, Venus, Mars, and the moon, and some between us and those orbs, so that they might be on their surfaces. In the case of the moon, lights have been seen on the surface.

There have been shadows on the moon and on the earth which could have been cast only by manipulated space contrivances. The advent of the great comets and tile red spot on Jupiter in the late 1870's 'was coincident with the mysterious appearance of a new crater on the moon precisely the size of the UFO's seen by astronomers between the earth and the Moon.

The astronomers have seen two distinct classes of objects: the spherical, definitely outlined ones, and the hazy, nebulous ones. Both have appeared to undergo intelligent manipulation and exhibit erratic motions. In all of these are features that have counterparts among the sightings listed by lay observers since 1947. Simultaneous observations by two or more observers have at times established the approximate distances of the UFO's through study parallax. ("Parallax" is the displacement, often measurable, caused by looking at an object from two different points; e.g. hold up a finger and view it with first one eye and then the other. The displacement against a distinct background is parallax.)

All in all, the astronomical evidence for UFO's, while less voluminous than other types, is better grounded in factual and quantitative data. It must be given great weight. If, in reality, the astronomical profession is to be forced into the position of being the principal witness for the defense, in the case of the UFO's, its members will suffer a most peculiar type of embarrassment, for theirs is the unenviable position of having been most dogmatic and derogatory.

It seems unfortunate that astronomy, once the leader in the search for qualitative knowledge, is apparently degenerating into opposition to pioneering. Yet, astronomy, while strictly an observational and not an experimental science, takes front rank in denying authentic observational data which threatens in the slightest to upset its own scientific apple cart.

In an observational science such as astronomy, laws have to be built from innumerably repeated observations and not, as is partially true in physics and chemistry, on the basis of duplicative laboratory experiment. In such cases, as the astronomer knows only too well, repeated observations must be accepted as tantamount to proof.

Many of astronomy's tenets are in such a category. To take only one example, the hypothetical life history of stars is based entirely on the so-called spectral sequence built solely upon spectroscopic observations of thousands of stars and the subsequent grouping and arranging of these into some logical structure. Even in this ponderous sequence there are erratics, or stars with peculiar spectra, whose real nature is a matter of speculation even after a hundred years of spectroscopy. Yet, the astronomer can hardly deny the existence of the obviously shining star, no matter how recalcitrant may be its light waves.

There Is Intelligence in Space

The vast amount of material from the past, in all categories, shows clearly that intelligence exists in space! "Intelligence" is the sine qua non of our analysis. Without it our thoughts may be meaningless. With it, our corollary postulates are automatic.

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Remember this was in 1955! So that today's astronomers witness the same as astronomers have for many centuries should not suprise anyone.

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It may be difficult to see the significance of antiquity in the consideration of space flight or space inhabitance. But failure to consider the sprawling background of the UFO problem is the greatest single factor in the appalling chaos which engulfs this enigma. Take but one small item: the little piece of meteoric iron which was found deep within a tertiary coal bed. The locale and the finding are authentic. The shape is purely artificial. It is but an inch or so square, practically a cube. Four sides are squarely faced, and the other two are convexly shaped, with complete symmetry. Around the four surfaced sides runs a groove, geometrically contrived. Here are three established facts:

1. Placement in an incipient coal bed some 300,000 years ago.
2. Made of meteoric iron, identifiable by structure and chemical content.

3. Clearly shaped by artificial means.

The number of explanations as to how it got into that coal bed may be few or several, but there is one underlying fact which cannot be scoffed into oblivion: This piece of natural steel was shaped by an intelligent instrumentation at least 300,000 years ago!
We can go on, but somebody has to make a choice, or deny and ignore the entire factual substratum. Science has ignored it. The choice is most galling to face: Was this gadget, created as it was by intelligence, placed there by man indigenous to earth, or was it dropped from space by a space traveler?

You choose to say: placed by Man? Then there was a race of men here 300,000 years ago who knew enough to shape steel, and, by inference, make machinery. If they could do that, they most likely had locomotion of some sort, and there is no good reason to deny that they could have found space flight either by research or accident. At worst there was time to develop a civilization of any preassigned refinement. Science doesn't like that. Alternative to that horn of the dilemma, we must contemplate space flight of 300,000 years ago, capable of bringing this little machine part to the earth, or of bringing civilization itself and planting it here within that type of animal life judged most likely and suitable to perpetuate and develop mental capacity. It is indeed a nasty choice for inhibited minds.

We can conclude that space habitation has existed for many millennia. We do not care whether earthmen took to space as a matter of convenience, comfort, and safety after blowing off a portion of the planet; or whether space inhabitants created terrestrial intelligence "in their own image." Bluntly: "What's the difference?" The basic thought is that man is living in a world in which he is neither the completely dominant nor the supremely intellectual being.

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The rush of oddities and unusual events in the decade 1877 to 1887 is very much in evidence. Perhaps it does seem to be drawing the long bow a bit if one tries to make out that the presence of the great comets, or the activity of the Red Spot on Jupiter, were influential in causing such events, but that all of these were concomitant is undeniable. If space life is limited to the earth-moon system, there is probably no common cause, but it must, however, be borne in mind.

Of greater pertinence is the observed and authenticated activity on the lunar surface during these and the immediately preceding years. Not only were there appearances and disappearances of lunar craters about the size of some of the larger space craft which have been seen, but there is some evidence that nebulous entities hover over these evanescent craters and contribute to their obscuration.

Observations of UFO phenomena and related events on or near the earth's surface may be distorted by excitement, emotionalism and prejudice. But the direct observations of space life and its contingent activity, as seen by astronomers, are more objective and more coolly recorded. We can feel more relaxed in dealing with them, on more solid ground.

Astronomical observations break naturally into three categories: lights, shadows, and bodies. Lights and shadows, perhaps, in reality comprise one group since one is the counterpart of the other, while bodies, on the other hand, tend to divide into two groups, one made up of solid contrivances and the other of nebulous or cloudlike units.

Lights seem to be especially representative of intelligence, particularly when they appear to have independent movement, or to shine in places where there seems to be no natural organic activity, for lights have to be created as well as manipulated. The hundreds of observations of lights on or near the moon and in other parts of nearby space--lights which seem to exhibit volition, purposefulness and direction -- are extremely difficult to explain on any other basis than intelligent activity in space. On the other hand, they become a natural corollary to such activity. Again, since science has failed utterly to offer any other acceptable explanation, we ask that these lights be taken as one more phenomenon which can be simply adapted to our organic environment by the one common denominator of space flight and space life.

Shadows are almost as easily identified with intelligence as are lights, and one is pretty well the counterpart of the other. Their validity cannot be denied. Russell's shadow on the moon, 1,500 miles in diameter, holding a steady position for hours, cannot be lightly dismissed. The shadows on our own clouds, as seen in Texas and England, are irrefutable proof that some kind of dirigible bodies are moving in our upper atmosphere or in nearby space.

Bodies seen in space may be considered to have more direct and obvious connection with intelligence than do lights and shadows. There was a time when astronomers, seeing these by the dozens, thought them to be intra-Mercurial planets, or asteroids. Keen analysts have long since dispelled that misapprehension, but they have not discouraged nor discredited the sightings. These have remained without explanation for many decades, and some for hundreds of years. All of these observations gradually came to be regarded as erratics, to be ignored if possible. Astronomers who did not make any such observations liked to call them hallucinations, especially the spindle-shaped ones whose configuration did not resemble that of more commonly known celestial objects. Mass passages, such as those seen by Herschel and Bonilla, were laughed off as being bugs, birds or seeds; or at worst, meteor swarms.

Little effort was made to determine the parallax of such objects, so their distance was never fairly established. We cannot blame the individual astronomer too much for this, particularly since many of those observations were made by amateurs. In those days it had not entered our comprehension that any of these spatial wanderers could be so close to the earth that parallax would be noticeable between observers only a few score miles apart. It has remained for us, awakening to the importance of those old observations, to make what we can of parallax studies for determining the distance of the objects sighted. It is not astonishing that our findings substantiate earlier analyses, but there may be an element of amazement in finding that these bodies are being navigated within the earth-moon system.

There is something more of astonishment, however, in finding that the astronomical observations include two distinct and divergent types of bodies: the solid, geometrically shaped structures, and the ill-defined nebulous clouds. Both have been recorded by impeccable witnesses. Both have been shown to exhibit evidences of intelligent direction or control. Both have their parallel instances among the current observations of UFO's seen by the man in the street, since 1947, and by our forebears as shown in historical records.

OK, more likely than not he is seeing satellites instead of UFOs.

It would be a guess that they are in a geosynchronous motion if they are that faint. I am going out observing tonight. It is going to be a very clear night.

I will have a 10� full motion computer controlled, a 14� full motion computer controlled, a 16� dobsonian, and two other 10� scopes. If there is anything there tonight I�ll let you guys know. Like I said it is probably a satellite in geosynchronous motion� P.S. if you can�t find the satellite listed anywhere than it is probably a �spy� satellite. They are easy to tell because they usually go in a north; south direction as opposed to the east; west direction most �normal� satellites travel.

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No they aren't satellites
I've been aware of physical warfare around this "gate" and the one located in the center of the "cup" of the big dipper since 98'....draw an X with your eyes through the cup...watch the area where the crosshairs intersect...you'll be amazed by what you see there....1am till 5 am seem to be the best times.

To be accurate abou the "speed of thought", the fastest interneurons in the brain fire at a rate of 375 m/s. Which is about the same speed most bullet trains travel.
At that rate, coming from, say Alpha Centauri (4.4 ly = 4.16 e 16 m), you'd need something on the order of 1 e 14 seconds, or 3.52 million years. So, these wonderful aliens of ours would have had to correctly guess that our planet would develop intelligent life capable of civilization at about the same time the first proto-human were appearing in the Great Rift Valley, point their ship in the general direction of where the earth would be 3.52 million years in the future, and turn on the engines, or think about it, or whatever.
Do you people ever even think about what you're typing when you're typing?

Fortunately my understanding of the universe is far more vast and my experience absolutely magical.....Time and Distance are an Illusion
Break out of your conditioned finite belief system.

Well, nothing to report... I spent hours out tonight with multiple scopes... There were about 6 satellites out including 3 that passed though Ursa Major, but nothing out of the ordinary.

It could be an illusion when Ursa Major "The Big Dipper" is close to the horizon. It gives the twinking effect.

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Originally posted by Cade

Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by dizznod
Ted Anderson has been an amateur astronomer for over 30 years.

And he's never hooked up a film camera to his telescope?

Here's what he wrote:
"If you can see the Big Dipper, look to the south toward Arcturus and watch between 9 p.m. and midnight. They are too dark and move too fast to record with my small, telescope-mounted camera." (Email Form Report)

My thoughts:
Expert wanted, expert wanted...

If its too fast for the telescope and camera, then does he have Canon Sureshot Eyes with which he sees this? How can his eyes be faster than a cameras?

Have you ever tried to photogragh a "shooting star"?
We're talking about this kind of speed....be patient and watch and you'll be amazed by what you see there.
The "crosshairs" in the cup is the easiest place to stay focused on.

also follow some of those "satellites" across the sky....some of them take 90' turns at very high speeds,make geometrical formations,or even fly in formation with other "satellites"....changing direction together simultaneously....cooool

Did the aliens make the stargate or was it a natrual occurance. I think even aliens couldn't have made it.

It would disrupt the space in some way that would be detected by radio telescopes everywhere, and would take a tremendous amount of energy to keep it open.

It would take take the output of a million stars for a year to even to keep it open for a little while. That would need one heck of a extension cord!

I think it would be more practical to just develop some faster than light technology.

I think this star gate might be a comet (wormhole) emmiting gases and debris (UFOs).

This stargate is just pure impossible by our current knowlage of the universe.

Originally posted by GoldEagle
Did the aliens make the stargate or was it a natrual occurance. I think even aliens couldn't have made it.

It would disrupt the space in some way that would be detected by radio telescopes everywhere, and would take a tremendous amount of energy to keep it open.

It would take take the output of a million stars for a year to even to keep it open for a little while. That would need one heck of a extension cord!

I think it would be more practical to just develop some faster than light technology.

I think this star gate might be a comet (wormhole) emmiting gases and debris (UFOs).

This stargate is just pure impossible by our current knowlage of the universe.

Stargates are not impossible, they are based on the wormhole theory that is widely accepted.


A comet will only emit gases near the sun, the rest of the time they are just big rocks of ice and other stuff.

And yes i do agree that a stargate would need tremendous energy. but then again we are still learning about 0 point energy that is all around us.
Im sure ( on earth ) that is can be dectected if used.

Give it a little time, those of you with telecsopes large enough to view this. I would like to hear some long term results. Also, poster, do what you can to help people out or get these on film somehow.

Originally posted by SilentFrog
To be accurate abou the "speed of thought", the fastest interneurons in the brain fire at a rate of 375 m/s. Which is about the same speed most bullet trains

Sry, i dont want to go off-topic...
But 375 m/s = 1350 Km/h ,
and as far as i know no bullet train travels at that speed....the TGV record is around 515 Km/h...and its max. cruise speed is around 300 Km/h in railways prepared for that...

PS.
Maybe i understood ur phrase incorrectly, in this case i apologize...

Originally posted by RIAANDRY
Have you ever tried to photogragh a "shooting star"?
We're talking about this kind of speed....be patient and watch and you'll be amazed by what you see there.
The "crosshairs" in the cup is the easiest place to stay focused on.

also follow some of those "satellites" across the sky....some of them take 90' turns at very high speeds,make geometrical formations,or even fly in formation with other "satellites"....changing direction together simultaneously....cooool

OK, for those alleged objects to always appear in the crosshairs of the cup (as described) they would have to be extremely far away, WAAAY outside of our solar system. If they were that far away, you wouldn't be able to see anything less than a star, and stars don't move erratically around the sky. If they were close enough to see, they would move relative to the stars, just like the planets of our solar system do.

Originally posted by RIAANDRY
Have you ever tried to photogragh a "shooting star"?
We're talking about this kind of speed....be patient and watch and you'll be amazed by what you see there.
The "crosshairs" in the cup is the easiest place to stay focused on.

also follow some of those "satellites" across the sky....some of them take 90' turns at very high speeds,make geometrical formations,or even fly in formation with other "satellites"....changing direction together simultaneously....cooool

They have automatic cameras that take hundreds of frames per second, pretty much a camcorder but faster. Im sorry but a satellite does not make a 90 degree turn in space that fast that it is unrecognizable.

I believe using the stars is just to give you a perpsective of where to find it in the sky. They must be a lot closer than this, but the point here is for someone else to see this and verify.

1. As already stated these stars are light years away from earth. A small scope pointed in that direction is cute, but nothing more. To see anything meaningful he would need for the scope to track and expose over long periods of time. Then his photographs would show stars as single points and moving objects as streaks.

2. The Big Dipper is not a close formation of stars. If you flew thru space towards it you would see that. The same for Orion. As you fly towards it some of the stars are signifigantly closer and you would pass them before reaching others.

3. Satellites do not make turns. They can speed up and slow down by changing altitude (if they have propellant), but that is it. Directionally they are locked into place.They can reoorient their cameras and take pictures.

"3. Satellites do not make turns. They can speed up and slow down by changing altitude (if they have propellant), but that is it. Directionally they are locked into place.They can reoorient their cameras and take pictures."

My thoughts exactly.....so what are all those "satellites" that are making "interesting" movements and high speed 90' turns in the sky?

As far as distance.....the "crosshairs" in the cup only mark the enter/exit point in space ,of the wormhole/stargate that is in our very close vicinity.

cmon, someone get a camera or video camera hooked up to a telescope and prove this. Although I so want to believe this story, I am very sceptical until I can see some physical (unfaked!) proof either way. shame I haven't got a telescope of my own.

I read with interest the statements made by the Astronomer or
whoever he is, about a portal where ships were going in and out
of the vicinity of the Big Dipper.

He said the portal is located left or West of the Whirlpool galaxy,
or M51. This galaxy is located below the binary star system of
Mizar and Alcor. Both of these stars are approximately 80 light
years from Earth.

A few nights ago I went out and set up my Meade and took a peek.
I can clearly see Mizar and Alcor with no problem. I then looked below
those stars to find the galaxy, but could not locate it.

Now, if these space craft, or whatever you call them, are actually
visible, then they would have to be, let's see, maybe a couple of million
miles wide to be visible. Don't think so. I have heard some of these
mother ships are huge, but not that big.

Also, if the crafts are close to these stars in the Big Dipper, I would
suspect we would see the light or reflection from them that was put
off around 80 years ago.

Even if I had the worlds largest light bucket, I couldn't see what this
guy is talking about. I think he was seeing the lightning bugs in front
of his scope. I am not saying it is not possible of a portal in this area,
but impossible to see them with any Earth based telescope, not even
the Hubble could detect something as small as a flying saucer, no matter how humungous it is.

If he truly was seeing objects, then they were super close to Earth and only in the direction of the Binary stars, making it look like they were in
the thick of things. Just my opinion. Thanks!

ZOOMER

Originally posted by ZOOMER

If he truly was seeing objects, then they were super close to Earth and only in the direction of the Binary stars, making it look like they were in
the thick of things. Just my opinion. Thanks!

ZOOMER

I think that�s what generally is being said here in this thread. These objects are being seen in the big dipper area of the sky, but that doesn�t mean that they are 80 or so light years away. If you have a plane cross your field of view while sky watching, does that mean that the airplane is 80 light years away?

I would like to make a point that none of the amateur astronomers have not made so far. If these object can be viewed from Minnesota in the big dipper, it�s likely that if they are to be viewed from a different longitude and latitude that they will be in a different area of the sky, or might not be viewable at all depending on the distance the object are from ground level in Minnesota. Getting a fix on the area of the sky that these objects are appearing in from a different location would give the ability to calculate the distance to the object by triangulation.