ACLU sues Obama administration over premeditated murder lists of Americans.

ACLU Sues Obama Administration Over Targeted Killing of Citizens

“A program that authorizes killing U.S. citizens, without judicial oversight, due process or disclosed standards is unconstitutional, unlawful and un-American,” ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero said in a statement announcing the filing of the case against U.S. President Barack Obama, the Defense Department and the Central Intelligence Agency.

So much for "change". Complete continuation of Bush's insanity.

I had heard about this before but what I didn't realize was that the ACLU teamed up with Nasser al- Awlaki, father of U.S. citizen Anwar al- Awlaki.

Look at whats going on:

Anwar al- Awlaki, who was born in Las Cruces, New Mexico, is accused of having ties to al-Qaeda and has been marked for death by the U.S. Defense Department and the CIA, according to the organizations.

U.S. forces are trying to find al-Awlaki, saying he has been linked to plots against American targets including the failed attempt by Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab to detonate an explosive device aboard an airliner approaching Detroit in December.

Thats all it takes for the government to now murder its own citizens, accusations?

Isnt Obama supposed to be some kind of Constitutional scholar? Obviously a very broad and dangerous interpretation.

They were unable to stop this premeditated murder soon enough as the man has now been assassinated by the Obama administration.

Interesting how theyre quick to kill their former allies now turned "terrorist". Saddam, Osama and now al-Awlaki. Of-course al-Awlaki met with officials at the Pentagon at-least once that we know of, but thats before he was a bad guy.

Qaeda-Linked Imam Dined at Pentagon after 9/11

Dead men tell no tales.

+1 to OP.

The "democracy" we have is an illusion.
They all continue the same policies of oppression, lack of due process and subjugation of the non-elite classes by the megacorporations and the ultra-wealthy.

I'm glad someone is stepping up and fighting this.

I know its hard to fight issues like this when "Patriotism" is crammed down your throat, and if you disagree you're looked up like some kind of evil witch terrorist. When they killed him, there were some threads in ATS and on the MMS, but now they're almost all forgotten. Glad to see this again, we don't want to live in the Kingdom of The United States of America anymore.

Good.
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Oh yeah cause murdering hundreds of thousands of foreigners over the last 60 years in illegal wars is one thing, but murdering a citizen of the United States????

Well clearly things have gotten totaly out of hand.

Good to see these legal types have there priorities right.

This is a slippery slope. Today, it's killing people with ties to terroism. (yay! they're bad!)

What's it going to be tomorrow?

Some smart-ass bunny on a conspiracy site?

Seriously, the way they have to "interpret" the law, leaves any American vulnerable to their "interpretation".

Watching FOX right now.

Apparently Judge Napolitano is stating that Holder said; If the president has overwhelming evidence of acts that he deems necessary, the president can become judge/jury/exicutioner. (paraphrasing, no copy of the speech is ou yet)

Originally posted by beezzer
Watching FOX right now.

Apparently Judge Napolitano is stating that Holder said; If the president has overwhelming evidence of acts that he deems necessary, the president can become judge/jury/exicutioner. (paraphrasing, no copy of the speech is ou yet)

it would seem that the new zealand govenment has decleared all bunnies to be environmental terrorists,
you are now on a list to be humanly terminated to protect our vital farmland,

release from the department of homeland grasslands,
run rabbit run,

xp

Originally posted by beezzer
If the president has overwhelming evidence of acts that he deems necessary, the president can become judge/jury/exicutioner. (paraphrasing, no copy of the speech is ou yet)

Wouldn't it be easier to get into a time machine, head back to to 1776, and spit directly at Thomas Jefferson's face?

newsandinsight.thomsonreuters.com...


Dec 8, 2010 – The case is Al-Aulaqi (al-Awlaki) v. Obama, U.S. District Court, District of Columbia (Washington, D.C.), No. 10-cv-1469. Jameel Jaffer, Arthur ..."

This story is a misrepresentation of the facts. The headline is from May 2010, and the suit was dismissed in December 2010.

Is this the best you can do?

What's strange is that the Obama supporters only come to the scene when there's an issue that's relatively debatable. For example the birther issue. Yet I haven't seen them come into the NDAA/bank deal threads and exhibit their usual apologist maneuvers. Most likely because it's indefensible. If you think there's any thing constitutional about this provision, or that it's not a bad idea; then something is seriously wrong with your brain.

Fact is, Obama screwed up in one of the worst possible ways & deserves to be impeached.

FTR, this is an old news story.

The link in the OP is to a blog dated 2010-8-30:

http:// www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-30/aclu-sues-u-s-government-over-targeted-assassination-of-american-citizens.html

I think if Obama focused more on helping Americans instead of killing them he'd have a chance in the second term...

Originally posted by Raelsatu
What's strange is that the Obama supporters only come to the scene when there's an issue that's relatively debatable. For example the birther issue. Yet I haven't seen them come into the NDAA/bank deal threads and exhibit their usual apologist maneuvers.

I can't and won't speak for anyone on this site but myself, but the reason that I'll defend some things he's done but not others isn't because I'm some "Obama-bot" or an apologist. It's because I believe in fighting ignorance and lies. I would do the same for any politician. If we can cut past smears and lies than we can focus on the true wrongs commited; such as this or Fast & Furious and other things.
There definitely are partisan hacks who will blindly defend and support their guy, but I think the majority of us want to focus on real issues and not silly B.S.

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Anwar al-Awlaki was A FBI Asset, Triple Agent Before 9/11 1/3

Were there grand jury indictments and peaceful attempts to arrest, prosecute, and convict every Confederate soldier between 1861 and 1865 before they were met with rifles on the battlefield? No, of course not, because that's absurd. And they were even on US soil. When you take up arms against a government, you can expect it to take up arms against you in return, whether or not you are one of its citizens.

I am as much anti-establishment as the next guy, but I don't really see why there's such a debate over this. This guy wasn't given a fair trial, but he didn't exactly present himself for prosecution. In fact, he surrounded himself with people who were very much involved in active and ongoing military operations against the US military.

You can have whatever opinion you want of the current wars, or the justifications for them (or the lack thereof), but in the end this man was acting outside the bounds of usual criminal jurisdictions in the US. How is this any different from an APB put out by the police looking for an "armed and dangerous" suspect, who always shoots at the police every time he sees them? Of course they're going to shoot back and let the lawyers (and the general public, as if they matter) ask the stupid questions.

i mean what...

did they think nobody would actually read over the NDAA????

what kind of reaction were these idiotic cronies expecting??? why dont we expose obama for the terrorist that HE is!!

S&F

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No offense but this article is from August of 2010.

Has there been an update on these so-called lists?

I most certainly don't approve of this tactic. I do feel that Obama has betrayed this country by allowing such assassinations.

The linked article in the OP may be a bit old, but the AG recently gave a speach in which he attempted to justify this action.

www.washingtonpost.com...


In a sense OP you are wrong. Our current POTUS has not continued the "anti-terror" policies of the previous administration. He has ESCLATED them. It has been many years since we have had an administration that respected the constitution and the ideals on which it was written. That document has become nothing more than a door mat on which numerous administrations have wiped their feet as evidenced by the disdain with which the government holds the citizens.

The only thing he has really continued from the Bush administration is the runiation of our economy, but that is another thread.

Oh but didn't you hear?

The attorney general said earlier that due process doesn't necessarily mean in a "court room"

"The Constitution guarantees due process, not judicial process." - Eric Holder, Attorney (of) General (bull)

So it's all ok.

NOT.

This is pathetic, the guy comes out and dances around the issue. Giving a crap explanation.

If i would've been in the room with him, i would've stood up and shouted "ARE YOU KIDDING ME?"

i just don't know what to say anymore..How do these people not see how the things they're doing now can have major ramifications down the road? How they're letting the "terrorists" win by stripping away our rights? How we cannot have peace without freedom, only with freedom?

We can't all walk around in a bubble hoping we won't get hurt, or someone wont kill us, or run us over, or commit "terror" against us. And we can't make laws to prevent that at any cost! Men and Women have died for the freedoms we have. What's happening in this country is a slap in the face to them.

I'm just..i'm so over these people..It's like they don't comprehend that the choices they make have an effect on millions of people. Going to war, spending every last dime the country has, making absurd laws, it's all a game to them it seems. Even with war. It's like they're playing a game. There are LIVES at stake, we won't go fight and die, over money and oil, greed and power...If these people in power want the oil, want the money, they can go fight the damn war themselves.

I'm fed up.
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