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President Obama signed into U.S. law the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), only after his administration successfully lobbied to remove language from the bill that would have protected American citizens from being detained indefinitely without trial. After the legislation cleared Congress, the ACLU commented that if President Obama signed the bill it "will damage both his legacy and American’s reputation for upholding the rule of law," while executive director of the Human Rights Watch blasted the President for being ‘on the wrong side of history,’ noting that "Obama will go down in history as the president who enshrined indefinite detention without trial in US law. Section 1031 of the NDAA bill, which itself defines the entirety of the United States as a “battlefield,” allows American citizens to be snatched from the streets, carted off to a foreign detention camp and held indefinitely without trial.
Originally posted by DaTroof
So how many of your freedoms have been taken away?
I'll wait.
Originally posted by DaTroof
So how many of your freedoms have been taken away?
I'll wait.
Originally posted by DaTroof
Could you possibly be any more paranoid?
en.wikipedia.org...
I rest my case.
Originally posted by DaTroof
Could you possibly be any more paranoid?
en.wikipedia.org...
I rest my case.
Originally posted by DaTroof
reply to post by hawkiye
All those rights still exist. If they didn't, you wouldn't be able to write this ridiculous diatribe on the internet.
Here, let's test it out. Go outside and say something controversial. If the Commie Gestapo Ninjas don't take you away to Guantanamo Bay, then free speech is still a right.
Originally posted by DaTroof
reply to post by mrgregbusybee
Like I said, you're paranoid.
Where are the Martial Law declarations? Where are the massive arrests of "domestic terrorists"? How many times have you been arrested because of the Patriot Act?
www.aclu.org...
On March 24, 2005, the FBI admitted to Mayfield's attorney that his home had been searched under provisions of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), which the Patriot Act had dramatically expanded. It admitted that it copied four computer hard drives, digitally photographed several documents, seized ten DNA samples and took approximately 335 digital photographs of the residence and Mr. Mayfield's property.
And here is a case where one is a US citizen is denied due process and even habeas corpus and even an attorney:
www.fff.org...
When they arrested a U.S. citizen named Jose Padilla on American soil and accused him of being an al-Qaeda terrorist, instead of securing a grand jury indictment against him for terrorism, they turned him over to the control of the Pentagon and prohibited him from speaking to his family, friends, or an attorney. In no circumstances will federal officials permit Padilla to file a petition for writ of habeas corpus, despite the fact that he’s being held in a military brig inside the United States against his will. And they claim the authority to keep him detained in this manner indefinitely.
(Before his transfer, however, Padilla had an attorney representing him who filed a petition for writ of habeas corpus as "next friend" for Padilla and requested the judge to permit her [the attorney] to consult with Padilla for the purpose of developing the facts necessary to show that he was being held unlawfully. The government took the position that Padilla's lawyer lacked the necessary "standing" to bring a petition for habeas corpus on his behalf and that since the government had designated Padilla as an "enemy combatant," the government had the authority to keep Padilla from speaking to his attorney. In December 2002, A U.S. District Court in New York rejected the government's positions, holding that Padilla's attorney had the requisite standing to bring the action and that the attorney had the right to consult with Padilla. The government appealed the court's decision and the matter is now pending before the Second Circuit Court of Appeals.)
www.barefootsworld.net...
"Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency. In fact, there are now in effect four presidentially proclaimed states of national emergency: In addition to the national emergency declared by President Roosevelt in 1933, there are also the national emergency proclaimed by President Truman on December 16, 1950, during the Korean conflict, and the states of national emergency declared by President Nixon on March 23, 1970, and August 15, 1971.
These proclamations give force to 470 provisions of Federal law [hundreds more since 1973, particularly in the Clinton administration since Jan 21, 1993]. These hundreds of statutes delegate to the President extraordinary powers, ordinarily exercised by the Congress, which affect the lives of American citizens in a host of all-encompassing manners. This vast range of powers, taken together, confer enough authority to rule the country without reference to normal Constitutional processes.
Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may: seize property; organize and control the means of production; seize commodities; assign military forces abroad; institute martial law; seize and control all transportation and communication; regulate the operation of private enterprise; restrict travel; and, in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens."
www.barefootsworld.net...
United States Congressional Record March 17, 1993 Vol. #33, page H-1303 Speaker- Representative James Traficant, Jr. (Ohio) addressing the House:
"Mr. Speaker, we are here now in chapter 11. Members of Congress are official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any Bankrupt entity in world history, the U.S. Government. We are setting forth hopefully, a blueprint for our future. There are some who say it is a coroner's report that will lead to our demise."
United States Congressional Record May 4, 1992, page H 2891, Congressman and Chairman of the House of Representatives Committee on Banking, Finance and Urban Affairs (101st through 103rd Congresses), Representative Henry Gonzalez (Texas) speaking on "NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL THIEVERY IN HIGH PLACES" (See Record Entry):
"We are bankrupted. We are insolvent on every level of our national life, whether it is corporate, whether it is just plain you and I out there with the life of debt that we have all piled up, private debt, credit cards and what not, or whether it is the government. We are insolvent. How long will it take before that nasty mega-truth is conveyed?"
The remarks by Representative Gonzalez at thomas.loc.gov...:H04MY2-37: are utterly damning.
Originally posted by DaTroof
Could you possibly be any more paranoid?
en.wikipedia.org...
I rest my case.
Originally posted by DocHolidaze
the question is what do we do about it, cause all we r doing here is speculating and ranting back and forth, if this is all going down like u say it is then we r running out of time to fix any of these injustices, i hope our plan as American citizens is not to sit around and talk about it till something happens and then react, because i guarantee the powers that be fully expect that of us "lazy Americans" and r prepared for any backlash they may cause after implementing there plan.
Originally posted by DocHolidaze
reply to post by ColAngus
like i said , the powers that be will ready for us, the time is now while we still have somthing, not when everything has been taken away