The Absolute Power of Harmonics

reply to post by arbiture


I love what are you are trying to introduce here. If, perhaps, you could work on a laymans terms version of it, and then submit it here, I would greatly appreciate it.

On the other hand, perhaps you are over-thinking it. I compiled this thread as an attempt to understand the universe and explain some of its mystery, not to reduce everything to a science. A friend was explaining to me recently that rendering everything in the universe into pure science can remove the emotional meaning of it.

Simply stated, turning a sunset into mere vibrations can undermine the wonder and beauty of it. This is not my goal.

I only want to help people realize the power of something we take for granted every day...and perhaps take it to a whole new level.

reply to post by TheJourney


Sounds and visuals are when used in certain ways, present certain stimulus, hence influencing information in an exponential manner. The impact is even greater. The way to best make an impact is to use multiple modes, and as you said the result can dazzle and inspire even more then just one mode or another alone.

Another way to do just that is to hear certain music in an environment were smell is also used to convey mood and meaning. Hard to do with a computer today and that may not be all that bad... I have done my own documented and observed studies with me being the subject on using a song that to me is tantamount to a taste of heaven; "White Bird" by the group "It's A Beautiful Day" from 1969. Only album I think they ever made. I was being monitored by an EEG and fMRI, later a PET scan.

I listened to that song in a cool, low light room and smelled natural lilacs which is a smell that in itself I have proven has remarkable ability to lower my stress hormones, slow my pulse and lower my blood pressure. I also did the same test same conditions of varied environments and just listening to that song.

But what happened when the oder AND song were used at the same time was amazing. The effect on my brain was to produce a "body sleep mind awake state", in effect a lucid dream, but also one unlike any I ever had because I was aware I was experiencing this so called deep dream state AND was fully, indeed shockingly conscious as in awake and "aware" (?) more then I ever was that I could recall, with the exception of one of my two near death experiences.

That means an almost if not literal effect one would expect under the affect of certain hallucinogens like psilocyban or mescaline (sorry if misspelled) and '___', according to the literature and my interviews with people who had used them in controlled scientific settings.

Never used them my self (I can hear; "oh sure...") but its true because my reaction to pot when young was crippling paranoia. Pot, (THC) is a very complex drug which effects different people more individually then most drugs. Part of its effect is often a sedative-hypnotic, anti-emetic, mild analgesic and hallucinogen or "sensory distortion agonist", thats a more specialized category then just hallucinogens.

An example of bio-hormonal/stimulant sensory distortion is the "car accident effect", where everything seems to go into slow motion. The world around you doesn't of course, but you go into overdrive, you have a release of adrenaline and cortisol, a stimulant and anti-inflammatory, stress acclamatory steroid. Both are associated with stress, the startle response and flight-or-fight reactions.

I was told that all the neurological and physiological effects that were documented was very close to the few studies done with people who are Buddhist monks and have studied deep meditative techniques for 30 to 50 plus years. Wow. I meditate and have studied and used advanced hypnosis including meditative-hypnotic enhanced self hypnosis for 30 years.

I can experience Nirvana' in one "flavor" with that, the "music-olfactory" combination approach also produced something very similar from my perspective but more intense and complex and hard to verbalize, as near death experiences are and the instruments showed I was in a much more intense and to date un-catagorized state, but similar in data to an intense meditative state.

Perhaps each of us experiences heaven, or hell uniquely and individually. Trouble is unless you "come back" from a NDE its hard to compare notes with the living... But the experiment I took part in is something that is often very hard, impossible even to describe, because even me who talks to much has trouble since we don't have the words in any human language yet to fully explain the experience to others. But now we have the raw data! Thats fantastic.

reply to post by arbiture


So you're saying that sound (or vibration) is information in its purest form?

reply to post by Starchild23


Thanks for your reply. I'll try to do the best I can to convey what I want to others. Someone years ago who said to me while speaking "some of us haven't all gone to college", this was a talk I gave at a rehab center I once went to for "boozing with intent" (intent to get smashed actually) after my partners death, ironically killed by a drunk driver. This was no one-off binge. The worms in the Tequila bottles were demanding since I lived there at the time I better start paying rent.

I was not discussing anything as in depth as this, and was he slammed from several people who thought he was insulting me but, I apologized to him because as the speaker it's MY obligation to present ideas in a way the listener can understand, its never the fault of the person I'm trying to convey an idea or opinion to, it's mine. If I'm gabbing away I need to do so and not have people want a universal translator...

I wouldn't say I'm over thinking anything really. To me science be an attempt to understand in a way that brings that special satisfaction, like seeing a work of art and saying "oh wow is that beautiful." Later in that experience once in a while when I think I understand what the meaning the passion, mood, or idea the artist is trying to convey, thats a bonus. But my first reaction is always visceral and emotional, and that implies to the satisfaction I get from being an active participant in science. Almost like being in the mind of DaVinci and feeling him hold the brush and being "him" in that marvelous subjective moment as he paints the Mona Lisa. Great since I have zero artistic talent, but I have others I hope are useful.

Science and don't be fooled by those who don't appreciate is as much subjective as objective, it is inevitable, since like art we all appreciate and get from it something unique. Its always more then data and computer code, it must be. Thats why people get so shamelessly excited as I do, with new discoveries or ideas. To "do" science or art there is one similarity among others between the scientist and artist; we each feel great passion for what we experience, and for the artist to create. For the scientist to understand and in many cases like mine try to apply what we discover in ways to make the world a little better then before. Even if it just inspires awe. Isn't that one thing art does so often, so well?

When I have a student or associate experience an idea that they never quite did the same way before. I'm the richest person on Earth if I find a way to share that awe.

reply to post by arbiture


I was merely suggesting the overthinking as a bit of humor, considering that when I get as deep into it as you clearly have, people say that to me.

I would dearly like to read a more...ahem, reader-friendly (haha) version of your theory/lecture.

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by arbiture

 

So you're saying that sound (or vibration) is information in its purest form?

It takes many things to create sound. But in the sense that vibration is a variable of momentum, movement compared to something else in a one way it is, but I would say not pure, as nothing in it self is anything because without comparison and interaction it is only a lonely thing in eternity, but instead of pure I'd say more elemental. Sorry if I getting nauseating in parsing words, but I have an annoying tendency to do just that.

But there are many more events that make a sound a sound, above and beyond vibration or harmonics. Take for example the old philosophical question "if a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it, does it make a sound"? In one sense sure it does because all sound is is the vibration of air and if your around to hear it or not that air is going to vibrate anyway, it doesn't care if anyones listening To me that has little to do with philosophy, but is closer to the conundrum we see in quantum mechanics.

It is said that the observer creates reality. I think true, for THAT OBSERVERS reality. If they hear that sound, it must somehow affect them. It may seem tangible or trivial but that experience, that moment has changed something. If it "just" concerns the fact the brain change's its physiochemical and structural morphology with every moment every impulse, thought, and that includes any sounds.

In quantum mechanics, something can be non-localized, in one or more place, everywhere and no where, at the same "time" (do this as a tool in ones job, you go through a lot of aspirin as I do) In bi-locality you have particles connected in a way that seems to violate the laws of relativity. How can something occur in one place and another "place" at the exact same time? Relativity says that communication can not be faster then light, at least in the observable non-quantum universe, and yet we see what happens to a particle in say the split particle experiment that affects one of them as observed, and the other at the same time, meaning communication is instantaneous between them no matter how far apart.

And to me the quantum world is the template of everything "bigger" as well as the macro-world affects quantum dynamics, affect one "level" and you have a cascade affect on the others. Prediction and active change agents or affecting both the past, now, and future is very hot right now and something I'm spending serious time and money investigating. And about 100 companies, every major intelligence group, the military, mathematicians and stock market, societal, and political prognosticators, also. And all of the heavies are outspending me by oh about 40 +/- a billion $. At least. And yes it is scary as to the implications. I also have a very strong belief its already happened...

That implies faster then light communication, and even more then just that. The option exists it not the particles that are "sharing" information hence communicating, which requires movement of information at post C (light speed) values that the space around and throughout the two are somehow in the same place at the same "time". I agree with this hypothesis.

This idea makes possible the Acumbria (misspelled) warp drive where you move space AROUND something not the thing you want to move or in the case of our particle measure. To us in this example time, thats always connected to distance does not exist. In fact it can't if we accept the now well accepted concept of quantum non-locality. In fact its the only way it makes sense.

Leave time, (T) out of the equation and instead substitute variability between two "things"in a geo-spacial field, the momentum and change each thing actualizes, or becomes, relative to another and this to us gives us the illusion of time which is to us just change of state, and change of perspective. This later view is mine and by no means debated to a great extent. But to me this solves so many fundamental problems and not just abstractions but real world stuff.

Sorry. You give me one sentence and I whip out enough words to compete in volume with the US tax code. Now THATS just disgusting...

reply to post by arbiture


It's not disgusting at all. You have no idea how much I value intelligent conversation. Lord knows it's as rare as gold, given the crowds I hang with lately...

I'd love to hear more from you.

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by arbiture

 

I was merely suggesting the overthinking as a bit of humor, considering that when I get as deep into it as you clearly have, people say that to me.

I would dearly like to read a more...ahem, reader-friendly (haha) version of your theory/lecture.

I get that often myself yet they seem to often have no problem , rather sheepishly asking me to fund this or that. Or they say "we have this problem we would like you to look at" Such an ego boost is better then 10 days at a combination spa, nude dude ranch and contests involving professional competitive rifle and bow marksmanship (I'm not bad actually, with target shooting that is) and also which is when everyone puts their cloths back on with protection, just in case.

But will work on something a bit less in need of a valium or stiff drink to slog through.

reply to post by arbiture


Did you just mention exchanging information in the past, present, and future? What kind of work do you do? I really enjoy hearing your ideas. Fascinating, can I say it again...fascinating stuff.

In college we studied transistors. We would determine the current on the switch at any given point, how long until saturation. My thought was, if the switching time was instaneous the current would both be zero and saturation at the same time. What if you had a square waveform of +-5 volts with instaneous switching. You would have -5 and +5 at the same time. I don't know if what I am saying makes any sense. If an electron is unrestricted, no resistance, and travels from point A to point B instaneously, then it is in both place at once. Is this even possible?

To me, I understand all of this non-locality stuff in terms of what is being called the "holographic paradigm." The idea being that there is one essential "essence" behind everything. This would be called "emptiness" in eastern thought. This emptiness manifests in an infinite number of ways. All possible "things" and "points in time," or even time-lines, all extend from this one essential emptiness, which contains the entire information for all of it. When it manifests as any particular thing, point in time, or time-line, it is never ACTUALLY reduced to the limitations of it, but only in appearance. Looking to the idea of the fused subject and object in quantum mechanics, or that the observer inherently creates or at least affects the observed, the individual observer takes in the entirety of this "emptiness," or let us perhaps say chaos, and models it after itself. As I said, it is never actually reduced, in truth. There is never the "form" that appears to exist. Only in appearance. But this appearance is best likened to a holographic projection. Although it APPEARS to be a part, in actuality it contains the information for the whole.

thanks, OP. good thoughts.

i noticed that you mentioned about the "word of god", etc. i think you might be interested in the info at the link below.

this reasearcher has discovered that the ancient torah, as originally spoken in hebrew, constitutes some type of geometric and harmonic alchemy. thus, via the sounds that are produced during the retelling of the stories, the explicit sequence of these "magic sounds" has been preserved through the ages.

in other words, the torah is a SPOKEN practice....not a written one.

meru foundation


good luck....

reply to post by tgidkp


Thank you for providing that link. Could you perhaps be more specific with it? I am having some difficulty traversing the site to find the information you referred to...

Originally posted by TheJourney
To me, I understand all of this non-locality stuff in terms of what is being called the "holographic paradigm." The idea being that there is one essential "essence" behind everything. This would be called "emptiness" in eastern thought. This emptiness manifests in an infinite number of ways. All possible "things" and "points in time," or even time-lines, all extend from this one essential emptiness, which contains the entire information for all of it. When it manifests as any particular thing, point in time, or time-line, it is never ACTUALLY reduced to the limitations of it, but only in appearance. Looking to the idea of the fused subject and object in quantum mechanics, or that the observer inherently creates or at least affects the observed, the individual observer takes in the entirety of this "emptiness," or let us perhaps say chaos, and models it after itself. As I said, it is never actually reduced, in truth. There is never the "form" that appears to exist. Only in appearance. But this appearance is best likened to a holographic projection. Although it APPEARS to be a part, in actuality it contains the information for the whole.

Precisely. This is the true nature of the thing we call "God". But in calling it "God" we restrict its true nature to a false, limiting definition.

The Infinite Creator is, obviously, Infinite. Our definitions can't touch a hair on its proverbial head, let alone explain it to the point of allowing us to understand it. We can barely grasp the essentials...but we pretend to know it entirely, and thus we harm our spiritual advancement.

And if you're wondering what my theory of Universal Harmonics has to do with religion, I will explain thus: everything came from sound, and everything is made by sound. We call it sound, but in truth, it is vibration. And despite having this information within grasp, we prefer to cling to our preconceived misconceptions, because it is easier than turning the world on its head.

It is a shame, really.

reply to post by VekTorVik


The methods employed for "prediction" is now used by a large number of organizations, and involving numerous techniques,and with un-godly sums of money including black agencies, somewhat known to the general population, by open-name at least, but most people have never heard of. And universities, firms, etc.

The basic approach of "actualized prediction", using an approach that can be proven and tested as to just how well it works unlike tea leaves, and can be tested independently using the scientific method. You don't get the people interested in this and spending room size vaults of cash without serious demonstrable reproducibility of results.

There are a number of ways prediction happens, one of the early methods developed was by seeing patterns in markets and advertising buying trends. One reason economics and politics, and in some cases but there getting better military actions have sometimes "bombed" (sorry...) miserably is patterns in certain events were thought to involve cyclic change, and in long terms they often are to the casual observer, politics is a great example, in the USA most specifically. We expect certain God like prognostications to magically solve our problems in say 2-1/2 to 3 years, when the US election cycle for President ramps up again and yet its fascinating to see those who can look at the economy and foreign affairs and it makes less difference unless THEY are fat and happy with everything.

A bit like a kid who expects to get all the toys he asks for Christmas. I love the fact parents can always hit them with what they figure out soon enough; the is no Santa Clause or magic prayers to make all ones dreams come true. Unfortunately adults still expect the political Santa will deliver for them because thats what they care about. Sad to say many really don't give a damn what happens to anyone else, just as long as the good stuff happens to them. Thats short sighted, and wrong because eventually it happens to everyone, whatever "it" is. All prediction involves seeing a much bigger picture, the real world is all about us not me, or them in the end. Thats not some socialist bull s***, its math with teeth.

Two groups employed "cycle ebb and flow" one the people who handle money and stock market actors. The other actually better because they got much greater data sources of feedback of what mattered to them; companies that sell stuff, and the people who did the first real "data mining", advertising agencies. Intelligence agencies took notice of how the add agencies calculated everything. Some were actually infiltrated to learn "apprentice style" by the spooks taking jobs in those add firms.

Then we got a little more "real" at looking at the complex issues involved, who found out that certain mathematical techniques like random number theory, and spacial determinants of information that are complex yet understandable and incredible in many applications had real, even scary power. Namely use of fractals which are seen as fundamental natural constructs that could be created purely by numerical representation of something as simple as in a two dimensional pattern, or what we see in nature. Often represented the same way.

A three dimensional fractal with aspects of time variability injected into the equation gives a more flexible version, and one that evolves because of change among/between two or more objects or "entities" I'll leave out my kinder-spiel' on time being just an illusion or artifact of objects that change with in a defined geo-spacial area eventually for now, but its important as it involves the most critical and adaptive aspect of prediction and that involves aspects of events at the quantum level.

At the quantum level the meso-dynamic level or the connection between quantum and classical physical events, the stuff we understand, at least perceive in both Einstein's and Newtons observations. This is the realm of cause and effect. Quantum events seem to violate causality and are not consistent with relativity, traditional space/time constructs because time and distance is meaningless as to relativity. There is apparent absolute moment-communication between two objects like particles or spacial fields regardless how far apart they are. (a "moment" is in science the shortest period, better to say concept of time).

All natural data in one respect can be understood and used to break down and understand vast areas of data or space, as in geo-spacial layered topology. Heard about the now announced discovery (hard to compartment science no matter who wants to) about development of a "temporal cloak"? Like a "conventional cloak" to conceal an object, its a bitch to deal with all the factors and frequencies involved but cloak time, in a null-pocket isolated all else, and you cloak ALL information of anything in that realm.

Continued next post.

In reply to the ancient 'solfeggio' notes. I agree with ErroneousDylan, things don't exactly add up. In fact I wrote a paper on it. Basically, if you read the story behind the discovery of these notes, then read some information from Dr. Horowitz' own website you get a very blurry picture. Notes 'revealed' through spirit, rearranging numbers with no regard to how they work with one another. Horowitz doesn't even have a clue about what a musical scale is, and that is revealed on his own website. The whole thing is dodgy at best.

This isn't to say that there are frequencies that are more in tune with our selves and our planet.