Can Time exist within Time?

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by Baron01

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by Baron01

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by Baron01
A thought cannot exist in the past because it did never exist. For the observer it looks like the thought was real but in reality there were only selfmade (not even selfmade but it feels like that) signals going off in the brain which the observer observes as a thought.

The observer doesn't exist without thought.

Can consciousness exist without thinking thought?

Ribbit

edit on 5-3-2012 by ButtUglyToad because: (no reason given)

The observer doesn't need any thought to exist. If it needs any thought in order to exist it wouldn't exist because thoughts are illusions. Basically everything that occurs within the brain is an illusion. Without the observer (your true self) you wouldn't be here typing on the forum.

The observer is like space. What is always here even if you don't think or do anything at all? Everything changes: your body, your beliefs, your life situation, your clothes. But something which isn't really a thing did not change, it's you. You can call it the observer, God, consciousness, awareness or whatever you like it are just words to describe the indescribable.

Saying the Observer is like Space is like saying the Person is the Body, sew that's kNot a good correlation.

The werd "observer" denotes one that watches, which requires action, which, of course, goes down IN Time and to observe/watch anything requires logical abilities, which then requires math, which require Thinking.

Have you ever thought of the possibility that everything you see as an individual observer is n0thing more than Thought?

As to the indescribable, it's only indescribable if you cannot observe it.

Sew just because you dew kNot remember, doesn't mean others suffer from your amnesiatic condition, for the only description for our Mother is m0m.

Ribbit

The observer isn't an object/energie/matter or whatever you want to call it. Space is like this. It doesn't have a specific place but it's the place itself. Could an object exist if there was no space? Could you experience life if there was no observer? Does a robot experience existence like you? No, a robot doesn't experience anything at all because it isn't an observer. If you weren't the observer you would be like a robot. No experiences, just a body. Maybe a body can't even live without the observer, I dunno.

The observer does not only watch but observes all 5 senses. You aren't what you experience, you're the one behind it. For the observer to observe there has to be action which is movement. Everything is in constant motion except nothing. The observer is nothing and so is space.

How can something or nothing go IN time? Where is this 'time'?


''Have you ever thought of the possibility that everything you see as an individual observer is n0thing more than Thought?

''

I don't see anything as an individual observer. The observer isn't a thing.

Everything is describable but what isn't a thing is not describable. We call space 'space' but I can't point my finger to it and say ''look there is space''. Well I could but that would be very silly.

I love this question:

"Could an object exist if there was no space?"

I'd then have to ask, could space exist if there was no object?

Then you asked this:

"Could you experience life if there was no observer?"

I'd then have to ask, could the observer observe without being Life?

Then you asked this:

"Does a robot experience existence like you?"

But then you answered yourself:

"No, a robot doesn't experience anything at all because it isn't an observer."

My question is then, how dew you know the robot doesn't experience anything at all? Did the robot tell you this?

What makes you think a rock can't be an observer?

What makes you think you are Life but a rock isn't?

Ribbit

God. God is the observer and I don't mean some spiritual overlord coming to save humanity but more of a consciousness that transcends all space and time. That's how an observer exists without space and within space observes from every point of time and space to every point of time and space.

Originally posted by libertytoall

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by Baron01

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by Baron01

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by Baron01
A thought cannot exist in the past because it did never exist. For the observer it looks like the thought was real but in reality there were only selfmade (not even selfmade but it feels like that) signals going off in the brain which the observer observes as a thought.

The observer doesn't exist without thought.

Can consciousness exist without thinking thought?

Ribbit

edit on 5-3-2012 by ButtUglyToad because: (no reason given)

The observer doesn't need any thought to exist. If it needs any thought in order to exist it wouldn't exist because thoughts are illusions. Basically everything that occurs within the brain is an illusion. Without the observer (your true self) you wouldn't be here typing on the forum.

The observer is like space. What is always here even if you don't think or do anything at all? Everything changes: your body, your beliefs, your life situation, your clothes. But something which isn't really a thing did not change, it's you. You can call it the observer, God, consciousness, awareness or whatever you like it are just words to describe the indescribable.

Saying the Observer is like Space is like saying the Person is the Body, sew that's kNot a good correlation.

The werd "observer" denotes one that watches, which requires action, which, of course, goes down IN Time and to observe/watch anything requires logical abilities, which then requires math, which require Thinking.

Have you ever thought of the possibility that everything you see as an individual observer is n0thing more than Thought?

As to the indescribable, it's only indescribable if you cannot observe it.

Sew just because you dew kNot remember, doesn't mean others suffer from your amnesiatic condition, for the only description for our Mother is m0m.

Ribbit

The observer isn't an object/energie/matter or whatever you want to call it. Space is like this. It doesn't have a specific place but it's the place itself. Could an object exist if there was no space? Could you experience life if there was no observer? Does a robot experience existence like you? No, a robot doesn't experience anything at all because it isn't an observer. If you weren't the observer you would be like a robot. No experiences, just a body. Maybe a body can't even live without the observer, I dunno.

The observer does not only watch but observes all 5 senses. You aren't what you experience, you're the one behind it. For the observer to observe there has to be action which is movement. Everything is in constant motion except nothing. The observer is nothing and so is space.

How can something or nothing go IN time? Where is this 'time'?


''Have you ever thought of the possibility that everything you see as an individual observer is n0thing more than Thought?

''

I don't see anything as an individual observer. The observer isn't a thing.

Everything is describable but what isn't a thing is not describable. We call space 'space' but I can't point my finger to it and say ''look there is space''. Well I could but that would be very silly.

I love this question:

"Could an object exist if there was no space?"

I'd then have to ask, could space exist if there was no object?

Then you asked this:

"Could you experience life if there was no observer?"

I'd then have to ask, could the observer observe without being Life?

Then you asked this:

"Does a robot experience existence like you?"

But then you answered yourself:

"No, a robot doesn't experience anything at all because it isn't an observer."

My question is then, how dew you know the robot doesn't experience anything at all? Did the robot tell you this?

What makes you think a rock can't be an observer?

What makes you think you are Life but a rock isn't?

Ribbit

God. God is the observer and I don't mean some spiritual overlord coming to save humanity but more of a consciousness that transcends all space and time. That's how an observer exists without space and within space observes from every point of time and space to every point of time and space.

Then the Rock can be an observation portal for God/SourCe, just as well as We are.

Ribbit

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by Baron01

How do you know that space flows through everything that which has mass? For space to flow it has to be something but space is clearly no-thing so it cannot flow.

What if Space is the Body of God/SourCe, sorta like skin but inverted of our skin, which would be Massless? The only thing that can penetrate anything with mass, would be the massless for even photons are absorbed by that which has mass, but photons have mass.

It's said that Space is expanding, which denotes a flow of sorts, sew what if that expansion is n0thing more than God/SourCe growing?

Ribbit

edit on 12-3-2012 by ButtUglyToad because: (no reason given)

I don't think space can penetrate anything because space isn't a thing. The way I see space is as an eternal non-physical force which connects all things together as a whole.

But I find it very interesting to think about space as an expanding thing and now I've got several questions running through my head which we ATS members could discuss:

- Why does space expand?
- How does space expand?
- If space is expanding then what exists outside of space?
- If there exists more Gods/Sources, could they hit each other while growing?
- How far can space expand? To infinity?
- Does it keeps on growing or does it eventually shrink/die?

Originally posted by Baron01

But I find it very interesting to think about space as an expanding thing and now I've got several questions running through my head which we ATS members could discuss:

- Why does space expand?
- How does space expand?
- If space is expanding then what exists outside of space?
- If there exists more Gods/Sources, could they hit each other while growing?
- How far can space expand? To infinity?
- Does it keeps on growing or does it eventually shrink/die?

Space expands as a result of the growth of mass. As mass increases, Space grows to contain that growth.

How Space expands is no different than how our bodies expand to contain our growth.

Outside of all of this is absolute infinite n0thingness, which is what WE are growing into sew to answer your other question, Infinity plus finite is the limit.

There's only One God/SourCe for IT was the once Infinite that WE are now growing back into and considering everything that existed in that Infinite is now part of this, there is n0thing else.

Eternal growth, eternal life.

Ribbit

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by Baron01

But I find it very interesting to think about space as an expanding thing and now I've got several questions running through my head which we ATS members could discuss:

- Why does space expand?
- How does space expand?
- If space is expanding then what exists outside of space?
- If there exists more Gods/Sources, could they hit each other while growing?
- How far can space expand? To infinity?
- Does it keeps on growing or does it eventually shrink/die?

Space expands as a result of the growth of mass. As mass increases, Space grows to contain that growth.

How Space expands is no different than how our bodies expand to contain our growth.

Outside of all of this is absolute infinite n0thingness, which is what WE are growing into sew to answer your other question, Infinity plus finite is the limit.

There's only One God/SourCe for IT was the once Infinite that WE are now growing back into and considering everything that existed in that Infinite is now part of this, there is n0thing else.

Eternal growth, eternal life.

Ribbit

and now my question is: How do you know all this?

reply to post by Baron01


this is the point u should answer honestly first then u will discover the answer to all ur questions being within

im joking of course in playing the adviser type over ur head

but seriously, it becomes obvious that everyone know everything and how intelligence is not truth and knowledge pursuits is the mark of beasts that clearly do the means of abuse

once u realize knowing from being constant and aware with a brain stand so we are in same situation then gods, what do u do?? this is where truth comes to play in all minds, freedom
while truth is freedom yep, tough choice

everyone choice is clear, perceiving positive sense in existence realities make them say to themselves, lets take advantage of that positive the more we know what positively exist the more we can ensure a solid base possession to our fact being outside of all as present one that later once we reach it we can defend its free stand in compromises well calculated with others ones

all those means are never of intelligence nor to, bc freedom intelligence base there is only one perspective being right
since u r aware of all being objective then realizing ur freedom is only by confirming that objective exist while not in relation with but superficially of ur being shape reality

noone do that realisation while everyone is free, but as i said truth is freedom so that kind of free sense is only relative dirt

truth freedom is beyond intelligence in the sense that it is absolutely more, not love or anything dirty like that meaning willing in opposition to simple objective right

so yea of course what do u think? truth is truth so there will always b more out coming fresh to back up objective right in truth which is never anyone while the reason of all values moves

Originally posted by Baron01

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by Baron01

But I find it very interesting to think about space as an expanding thing and now I've got several questions running through my head which we ATS members could discuss:

- Why does space expand?
- How does space expand?
- If space is expanding then what exists outside of space?
- If there exists more Gods/Sources, could they hit each other while growing?
- How far can space expand? To infinity?
- Does it keeps on growing or does it eventually shrink/die?

Space expands as a result of the growth of mass. As mass increases, Space grows to contain that growth.

How Space expands is no different than how our bodies expand to contain our growth.

Outside of all of this is absolute infinite n0thingness, which is what WE are growing into sew to answer your other question, Infinity plus finite is the limit.

There's only One God/SourCe for IT was the once Infinite that WE are now growing back into and considering everything that existed in that Infinite is now part of this, there is n0thing else.

Eternal growth, eternal life.

Ribbit

and now my question is: How do you know all this?

From research and study into all of this, then basic logic to put the puzzle together.

Life is a puzzle and all the pieces are available to anyone that wants to take the time to put it together.

Ribbit

Originally posted by absolutely
reply to post by Baron01

 

this is the point u should answer honestly first then u will discover the answer to all ur questions being within

im joking of course in playing the adviser type over ur head

but seriously, it becomes obvious that everyone know everything and how intelligence is not truth and knowledge pursuits is the mark of beasts that clearly do the means of abuse

once u realize knowing from being constant and aware with a brain stand so we are in same situation then gods, what do u do?? this is where truth comes to play in all minds, freedom
while truth is freedom yep, tough choice

everyone choice is clear, perceiving positive sense in existence realities make them say to themselves, lets take advantage of that positive the more we know what positively exist the more we can ensure a solid base possession to our fact being outside of all as present one that later once we reach it we can defend its free stand in compromises well calculated with others ones

all those means are never of intelligence nor to, bc freedom intelligence base there is only one perspective being right
since u r aware of all being objective then realizing ur freedom is only by confirming that objective exist while not in relation with but superficially of ur being shape reality

noone do that realisation while everyone is free, but as i said truth is freedom so that kind of free sense is only relative dirt

truth freedom is beyond intelligence in the sense that it is absolutely more, not love or anything dirty like that meaning willing in opposition to simple objective right

so yea of course what do u think? truth is truth so there will always b more out coming fresh to back up objective right in truth which is never anyone while the reason of all values moves

wow... I'm very sorry philosofical truthseeker but I really can't understand your post. Freedom and truth are just concepts. You should hang out with ButtUglyToad, I'm sure you two would make a good couple.

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by Baron01

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by Baron01

But I find it very interesting to think about space as an expanding thing and now I've got several questions running through my head which we ATS members could discuss:

- Why does space expand?
- How does space expand?
- If space is expanding then what exists outside of space?
- If there exists more Gods/Sources, could they hit each other while growing?
- How far can space expand? To infinity?
- Does it keeps on growing or does it eventually shrink/die?

Space expands as a result of the growth of mass. As mass increases, Space grows to contain that growth.

How Space expands is no different than how our bodies expand to contain our growth.

Outside of all of this is absolute infinite n0thingness, which is what WE are growing into sew to answer your other question, Infinity plus finite is the limit.

There's only One God/SourCe for IT was the once Infinite that WE are now growing back into and considering everything that existed in that Infinite is now part of this, there is n0thing else.

Eternal growth, eternal life.

Ribbit

and now my question is: How do you know all this?

From research and study into all of this, then basic logic to put the puzzle together.

Life is a puzzle and all the pieces are available to anyone that wants to take the time to put it together.

Ribbit

Every person on earth has his/her own puzzle and it's never complete or right. You can study the Bible for example but you end up with pieces which doesn't fit together. If your logic is flawed (and emotional beings are usually very illogical) then you'll fail to make a puzzle which makes sense.

People always seems to know everything and they're always right. One fully believes in reptillians and the other gives his life for a man he have never known. Do you get what I'm saying? Usually the 'puzzle' is nothing more than a belief system.

reply to post by Baron01


i thought the same about u and todd, with what u look like meaning to appear as perfect slaves to powerful hide so it can keep forcing its pretense of superiority being constant over existence

truth is the opposite to concept by definition, what is true is first objective then absolute objective then absolute objective constant then absolute objective constant adds

and freedom too is the opposite of concept, when freedom by definition is totally independant from everything and any while all to itself reason being alone

means and wills are what exist through concepts use of slavery and lies, so ur domain which nothing to mine

Originally posted by absolutely
reply to post by Baron01

 

i thought the same about u and todd, with what u look like meaning to appear as perfect slaves to powerful hide so it can keep forcing its pretense of superiority being constant over existence

truth is the opposite to concept by definition, what is true is first objective then absolute objective then absolute objective constant then absolute objective constant adds

and freedom too is the opposite of concept, when freedom by definition is totally independant from everything and any while all to itself reason being alone

means and wills are what exist through concepts use of slavery and lies, so ur domain which nothing to mine

Well toad, even though I have difficulties understanding you I can understand you much better than absolutely so please translate his post.

Originally posted by Baron01

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by Baron01

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by Baron01

But I find it very interesting to think about space as an expanding thing and now I've got several questions running through my head which we ATS members could discuss:

- Why does space expand?
- How does space expand?
- If space is expanding then what exists outside of space?
- If there exists more Gods/Sources, could they hit each other while growing?
- How far can space expand? To infinity?
- Does it keeps on growing or does it eventually shrink/die?

Space expands as a result of the growth of mass. As mass increases, Space grows to contain that growth.

How Space expands is no different than how our bodies expand to contain our growth.

Outside of all of this is absolute infinite n0thingness, which is what WE are growing into sew to answer your other question, Infinity plus finite is the limit.

There's only One God/SourCe for IT was the once Infinite that WE are now growing back into and considering everything that existed in that Infinite is now part of this, there is n0thing else.

Eternal growth, eternal life.

Ribbit

and now my question is: How do you know all this?

From research and study into all of this, then basic logic to put the puzzle together.

Life is a puzzle and all the pieces are available to anyone that wants to take the time to put it together.

Ribbit

Every person on earth has his/her own puzzle and it's never complete or right. You can study the Bible for example but you end up with pieces which doesn't fit together. If your logic is flawed (and emotional beings are usually very illogical) then you'll fail to make a puzzle which makes sense.

People always seems to know everything and they're always right. One fully believes in reptillians and the other gives his life for a man he have never known. Do you get what I'm saying? Usually the 'puzzle' is nothing more than a belief system.

The Bible, along with many of your sources of truth, are props in this Construct and kNot of the Truth and you base your truth on similar props, kNot knowing they are n0thing more than props.

As to the puzzle never being completed by sumone, believe that and you will never complete the puzzle.

"If you think you can, you can. If you think you can't, you're right." - Henry Ford

I have completed the puzzle but you would rather believe what you want to believe, that's what's known as Closed Mindedness and you are caught up in your own delusional closed mind.

Ribbit

Ps: Beliefs are kNot necesssarily the truth but the truth is a belief.

Originally posted by Baron01

Originally posted by absolutely
reply to post by Baron01

 

i thought the same about u and todd, with what u look like meaning to appear as perfect slaves to powerful hide so it can keep forcing its pretense of superiority being constant over existence

truth is the opposite to concept by definition, what is true is first objective then absolute objective then absolute objective constant then absolute objective constant adds

and freedom too is the opposite of concept, when freedom by definition is totally independant from everything and any while all to itself reason being alone

means and wills are what exist through concepts use of slavery and lies, so ur domain which nothing to mine

Well toad, even though I have difficulties understanding you I can understand you much better than absolutely so please translate his post.

His foolishness is absolute superior to mine sew kNot even I can decipher his idiocracies.

I only understand him about 10% of the time and even then, it's difficult.

Ribbit

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by Baron01

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by Baron01

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by Baron01

But I find it very interesting to think about space as an expanding thing and now I've got several questions running through my head which we ATS members could discuss:

- Why does space expand?
- How does space expand?
- If space is expanding then what exists outside of space?
- If there exists more Gods/Sources, could they hit each other while growing?
- How far can space expand? To infinity?
- Does it keeps on growing or does it eventually shrink/die?

Space expands as a result of the growth of mass. As mass increases, Space grows to contain that growth.

How Space expands is no different than how our bodies expand to contain our growth.

Outside of all of this is absolute infinite n0thingness, which is what WE are growing into sew to answer your other question, Infinity plus finite is the limit.

There's only One God/SourCe for IT was the once Infinite that WE are now growing back into and considering everything that existed in that Infinite is now part of this, there is n0thing else.

Eternal growth, eternal life.

Ribbit

and now my question is: How do you know all this?

From research and study into all of this, then basic logic to put the puzzle together.

Life is a puzzle and all the pieces are available to anyone that wants to take the time to put it together.

Ribbit

Every person on earth has his/her own puzzle and it's never complete or right. You can study the Bible for example but you end up with pieces which doesn't fit together. If your logic is flawed (and emotional beings are usually very illogical) then you'll fail to make a puzzle which makes sense.

People always seems to know everything and they're always right. One fully believes in reptillians and the other gives his life for a man he have never known. Do you get what I'm saying? Usually the 'puzzle' is nothing more than a belief system.

The Bible, along with many of your sources of truth, are props in this Construct and kNot of the Truth and you base your truth on similar props, kNot knowing they are n0thing more than props.

As to the puzzle never being completed by sumone, believe that and you will never complete the puzzle.

"If you think you can, you can. If you think you can't, you're right." - Henry Ford

I have completed the puzzle but you would rather believe what you want to believe, that's what's known as Closed Mindedness and you are caught up in your own delusional closed mind.

Ribbit

Ps: Beliefs are kNot necesssarily the truth but the truth is a belief.

edit on 24-3-2012 by ButtUglyToad because: (no reason given)

I actually don't have many beliefs and I'm open to all kind of theories. Call me close minded but I'm definitely not.

Existence is already the way it is, complete. But humanity is making it's own reality based on fantasies, desires and brainwashing. This is why we humans aren't intelligent but we think we are intelligent and special.

For you having completed the puzzle, I wish you good luck with that. It isn't going to help you in any way and I'm not being negative. It's fun to think about theories and stuff but your life goes on, the same as always.

Truth is not a belief but truth is true.

reply to post by absolutely


Are you mocking us? What is your point?

Originally posted by Baron01

I actually don't have many beliefs and I'm open to all kind of theories. Call me close minded but I'm definitely not.

Existence is already the way it is, complete. But humanity is making it's own reality based on fantasies, desires and brainwashing. This is why we humans aren't intelligent but we think we are intelligent and special.

For you having completed the puzzle, I wish you good luck with that. It isn't going to help you in any way and I'm not being negative. It's fun to think about theories and stuff but your life goes on, the same as always.

Truth is not a belief but truth is true.

Truth is kNot Love, Truth is Logic and Logic is Love.

Humanity is kNot making anything, their reality is scripted, sew they are just following script, just as I am and you are.

As to figuring out the puzzle, it does help but you are on the right track, just stop buying into humans being responsible for anything.

Ribbit

Originally posted by Baron01
reply to post by absolutely

 

Are you mocking us? What is your point?

Haven't you ever heard the old saying of let sleeping dogs LIE?

Why'd you have to go waking him up?

Ribbit

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by Baron01

I actually don't have many beliefs and I'm open to all kind of theories. Call me close minded but I'm definitely not.

Existence is already the way it is, complete. But humanity is making it's own reality based on fantasies, desires and brainwashing. This is why we humans aren't intelligent but we think we are intelligent and special.

For you having completed the puzzle, I wish you good luck with that. It isn't going to help you in any way and I'm not being negative. It's fun to think about theories and stuff but your life goes on, the same as always.

Truth is not a belief but truth is true.

Truth is kNot Love, Truth is Logic and Logic is Love.

Humanity is kNot making anything, their reality is scripted, sew they are just following script, just as I am and you are.

As to figuring out the puzzle, it does help but you are on the right track, just stop buying into humans being responsible for anything.

Ribbit

Ofcourse truth isn't love and I've never said that. However truth isn't also logic and logic isn't love. I don't know how you get that?

Every individual percieves it's reality based on imagination. Colors for example doesn't really exist. You can only percieve reality through a filter and the filter for us is our brain.

For humans being responsible or not, I don't know about that... I remember someone saying: ''Adults are kids playing with big toys''.

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by Baron01
reply to post by absolutely

 

Are you mocking us? What is your point?

Haven't you ever heard the old saying of let sleeping dogs LIE?

Why'd you have to go waking him up?

Ribbit

Cuz I don't get his point. He made a fairly big post which doesn't make sense to me. I assume he was joking but I'm not sure.

Originally posted by Baron01

Originally posted by ButtUglyToad

Originally posted by Baron01

I actually don't have many beliefs and I'm open to all kind of theories. Call me close minded but I'm definitely not.

Existence is already the way it is, complete. But humanity is making it's own reality based on fantasies, desires and brainwashing. This is why we humans aren't intelligent but we think we are intelligent and special.

For you having completed the puzzle, I wish you good luck with that. It isn't going to help you in any way and I'm not being negative. It's fun to think about theories and stuff but your life goes on, the same as always.

Truth is not a belief but truth is true.

Truth is kNot Love, Truth is Logic and Logic is Love.

Humanity is kNot making anything, their reality is scripted, sew they are just following script, just as I am and you are.

As to figuring out the puzzle, it does help but you are on the right track, just stop buying into humans being responsible for anything.

Ribbit

Ofcourse truth isn't love and I've never said that. However truth isn't also logic and logic isn't love. I don't know how you get that?

Every individual percieves it's reality based on imagination. Colors for example doesn't really exist. You can only percieve reality through a filter and the filter for us is our brain.

For humans being responsible or not, I don't know about that... I remember someone saying: ''Adults are kids playing with big toys''.

Look closely at anything you dew intentionally and see if you can come up with anything that doesn't require Logic?

Alarm goes off. Dew you get up or go back to sleep? The Question requires Logic in order to ask the Question and EVERYTHING is a Question or the end result of a Question.

Thus, you cannot Love without Logic, for you must Question first in order to Love, and that makes Logic the Source of Love.

Ribbit