Real Zionists please stand up !!!

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by Jameela

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Jameela

 

I appreciate your candor, your honesty.

But how can we, in the west, have a trusting relationship when (at the call) you will turn and attack/invade and usurpt our way of life?

Do the Jews not hold to the same type of a belief in their Messiah? Yes in fact they do. If you are afraid of our prophecies why not then be afraid of theirs? Prophecy is just that, it is prophecy, everyone on the planet thinks we are close to the end of something, but until it ends we must all live in it do you not agree? Why not agree on the principles of life and good moral conduct with one another rather than unsubstantiated fear?

Because any alliance would be predicated on your religious tenent.

While Christianity has no "end game attack everyone" outcome, Islam does.

And that should make anuone worried.

Again, I appreciate your candor.

G'night.

These prophecies have been in Shia Books for 1400 years, is it rational to base your good relations with shia based on ahadith that have been believed in for 1400 years? A prayer that all Shia have prayed for over 1200 years daily? I do not see this as a rational attitude, I do not base my relations with Jews or Christians based on their prophecies, nor do I expect anyone to treat me as less than human because I have similar prophecies sitting in my books!

Or are you basing your relations with me based on your own personally held belief that this might happen tomorrow? If it hasn't happened in all these years what makes you think it will happen now? You all are aligning yourself with those who seek nothing but our death, based on 1400 year old predictions. This is not rational thought.

We must as rational thinking human beings base our actions according to good intentions, and not on unfounded things.

Originally posted by Jameela

Originally posted by The Old American

Originally posted by TheAnswerTo1984
The land was stolen... and now those that it was stolen from are terrorists and Americans needs to send money and soldiers to defend stolen land?

How do you steal from yourself? Please explain.

/TOA

I wonder, of what value is speech from someone who does not read, nor attempts to learn, nor seeks any kind of peace with others? In my opinion speech from that person is valueless, and that persons words will never be heeded by thinking men.

The one post that had true value in this thread, more so even than what I wrote, was written by beezzer

edit on 3-3-2012 by Jameela because: (no reason given)

It is not I that doesn't read, or attempt to learn. I know the true history of the region in question. I've made posts about it before, citing archaeological and anthropological evidence that can't be denied. But political and religious trolls continue to be willfully obtuse in learning this information for themselves. I am unconcerned with either religion and who claims what land by right of what god. I am only concerned with facts, facts of which many on ATS and in the world are not. True thinking people know what's going on. Try being a thinker. It'll be refreshing.

/TOA

I want to add a few thoughts if everyone doesn't mind based on everything said in this thread.

Our prophecies state that before the coming of the Mahdi (atfs) the sheikh in Kufa will offer a reward of 1,000 dirham for the head of any Shia, and it will be said by the people there is a Shia, or over there, and they will seize Our (as) followers and cut off their heads for the reward.

How close do you all think we are to this? Honestly. Because if you all keep funding our enemies, giving them money, power and weapons, we aren't very far off. While we may believe that someday these things will come to pass it is you that are attempting to fulfill all these prophecies, you who are bringing them into fruition. Not us.

We are told of a war in Syria from which will rise the sufyani (a bad guy) and guess what, it again is you who are funding him, it is you who are making sure terrorists are taking power, again attempting to force prophecy to fruition.

By hating us for words that have sat in our books for over a thousand years and attempting to kill us all for them, you are bringing all the prophecies true. Not us. All we ever wanted was peace. Thats it, peace. To practice our faith quietly and righteously, and to have peace for our families and children. It is you who wish us dead.

Originally posted by Jameela
I want to add a few thoughts if everyone doesn't mind based on everything said in this thread.

Our prophecies state that before the coming of the Mahdi (atfs) the sheikh in Kufa will offer a reward of 1,000 dirham for the head of any Shia, and it will be said by the people there is a Shia, or over there, and they will seize Our (as) followers and cut off their heads for the reward.

How close do you all think we are to this? Honestly. Because if you all keep funding our enemies, giving them money, power and weapons, we aren't very far off. While we may believe that someday these things will come to pass it is you that are attempting to fulfill all these prophecies, you who are bringing them into fruition. Not us.

We are told of a war in Syria from which will rise the sufyani (a bad guy) and guess what, it again is you who are funding him, it is you who are making sure terrorists are taking power, again attempting to force prophecy to fruition.

By hating us for words that have sat in our books for over a thousand years and attempting to kill us all for them, you are bringing all the prophecies true. Not us. All we ever wanted was peace. Thats it, peace. To practice our faith quietly and righteously, and to have peace for our families and children. It is you who wish us dead.

My prophecy states the german boogie man is back on earth.

I really hate this kind of nonsense, just more divide and conquer. Just imagine if we could all agree on something rather than finding all these silly reasons to fight.

Humanity is like a dog chasing it's tail, we keep on repeating the same mistakes and slaughtering each other like mindless animals while the puppet masters laugh at us.

Keep on keepin' on!

Originally posted by hmdphantom

Iran hasn't and is not invading any country , but US (the father of Zionism) is doing good doing anything in Middle East.

Only Americans can be "zionists"?

And Zionists have started the ugliest wars in human history ,

You have seen a pretty war?

They are the ones possessing bombs.

They are the ones who have used them.

So muslims can be zionists, too? They have used bombs - I've seen 'em. What happened to only Americans can be Zionists?

They are the ones who started WW2 ,

German Nazis are zionists, too? Again, what happened to only Americans can be zionists?

attacking WTC buildings while there was not a JEW there.

Islamic terrorists are zionists, too?

They are the ones who established Israel by force and massacre.

Ah, the UN are zionists, too then...

They are the ones behind sex and porn movie industries.

Zionists are behind sex? Can I buy one a beer, then? that was one GREAT invention! How did the human race propagate itself before Zionists were invented?

They are the ones worshiping idols and daemons and teaching people how to do it in the movies.

I'm just not quite sure why that's a problem - who cares what someone else worships? Does this mean the Meccans were Zionists, too, since the Ka'aba was chock full of idols, out of which Mohammed selected one, Al lah, to concentrate on?

BTW, if you learn how to do ANYTHING from a movie, you're probably going to be doing it wrong. I wouldn't worry about it - their devil worship is probably pretty ineffective for just that reason.

And Iran ???

Is not letting gays marry in mosques.

It IS sort of difficult for anyone to get married in a mosque when their dangling from a lamp post by a bit of used telephone cable around their neck, isn't it? I guess I can see your point there.

Is not bringing Obelisks to the mosques.

Iranian mosques don't have minarets? I didn't know that!

Reading thhrough this thread.....wow interesting things....so much deception


OK lets look at it from another viewpoint...

Gotts to love this guy



do you see.....



why the conversion you might ask.....



Should we look at the latest false flag.....




Shall we look further.....not to sure we need to.....If you would like to read some my viewpoints you can go to my 911 thread in my signature....

By the way...I am not Brother Nethanael.....but the man is wise....and i adopted him as my avatar.

just a shot from the past....shalllllll we......



do we see a pattern here.....do we see a agenda.....I do.....

you see i have written lots on how the wars are taking place....and the hidden agendas of the Zionists.....

Also if you look into Orthodox jews.....They do not even believe that a homeland is a required part of their religion....heck.....If you think about it....why would any religion need a homeland....religion is a spirit with in.



People should understand the differnce in order to understand how a political movement has stolen a religious movement for their own gains.

but hey,The Zionists will come here and scream their anti semetic rubbish but it does does wash with people anymore as they try to create the end times for their own goals.

Originally posted by plube
do we see a pattern here.....do we see a agenda.....I do.....

Yeah I see a pattern. You posting half-assed youtube clips of the same guy repeating his nonsense. As for agenda, your's is pretty clear, seeing as the same guy appears in your avatar as well.

If I wear a silly hat and start posting lots of youtube clips where I invent random facts would you follow me blindly too?

Originally posted by hmdphantom
We worship daemon ?

Hope you know baphomet, Moloch , Molech and other idols and daemons:

Kung fu panda 2 - Baphomet - Lady gaga - Beyonce.


Lady Gaga


Michael Jackson


Chris brown


Kerli

There are more.

So , do more investigation. search about Symbolism and mind control ways ,Bohemian groove , illuminati.

When someone posts stills of people caught in certain pose and calls them the work of the devil, you just know their arguments just crashed. Hmdphantom dear, you have really gone mental.

If I ever had the slightest thought of you being some sort of Online Public Relations guy for Iran, that thought is now over and done. That post proves you're not more than some bored guy looking to oust Israel, US, or anyone anti-Iranian for that matter, by any means necessary.

I'm positive that now when you're looking at your posts you're pretty much in shame that you had no better argument to push through than this nonsense you just posted. Kung-Fu Panda? Really?

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
If you are trying to deny the existence of subliminal messaging in various forms including but not limited to Satanism in our every day lives, you have some serious perception issues.

Subliminal messaging needs to have some kind of purpose in order to somehow work. Flashing a company's logo inside a theater movie, showing the hero washing his hair with a product etc may do the trick.

Catching a stills photo of a dance routine and fitting it with a "devil worshipping" picture of your own? No no, that's not catching subliminal messaging, that's being stupid.

For example,
Here is a demon's picture:


And here is Devil Jin from Tekken:


Oh wow! They are both posing exactly the same! Devil Jin is clearly a character that intends to turn us into devil worshippers! Or atleast the makers of Devil Jin and that demon pic obviously had the same agenda in mind, seeing as they are both standing in the same pose! AND his name is DEVIL Jin! Whoa!

Actually, this little comparison holds more truth than any of his, but let's put that aside. I really hope you can understand the logic.
That picture of baphomet who holds one hand up and one hand down can easily be matched with just about anyone holding one hand up and one hand down. What if sometime in your lifetime you took a picture with one hand down and one hand up? Are you a devil worshipper?
I can pretty much scan google page for 30 minutes and come up with hundreds of results of people standing in the same pose. Are they devil worshippers?

And again, KUNG FU PANDA?

Those examples OP listed are pretty damn accurate, too bad you're too stubborn to even consider the possibility of it being true.

No, these examples are pretty rubbish and they are definitely something that would pop up in a 10 cent worth alternative conspiracy blog with 4 readers. Too bad you're too stubborn to even consider the possibility of it being what it is - complete random linking of two different things. Also incredibly stupid.

...Just one final post to conclude this posting-spree of mine.

Originally posted by plube
but hey,The Zionists will come here and scream their anti semetic rubbish

You know, if you compare how many times Jews/Zionists actually do use the anti semetic claim, against you guys whining about us using it, it would be so horribly outnumbered against you. Just saying.

Its funny:
all three of these mono theistic religions claim their holy whoever is going to rule the earth
( Earth, you know the plANet they named after EA )
and they all have "scripture" to prove it.
though the deeds don't appear to be signed by any actual god

It is comforting to know that there is an invisible man in the sky, who can't prove he exists, and whom only his believers can see and hear, telling all these nice folks how to vote and who to kill.

Of course it is funny the bit about installing Alciaduh, a privately owned central bank, a national give the oil to the oil companies in Libya, like the shaw and the mullahs were installed in Iran...

while the supporting sheeple are dying from the DU they use to win these little wars for BANKERS and paying LARGE at the ol Pump

kinda laffable iffn it twernt so damn sad

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well just shows how clued in you are doesn't it.....if your bothered to look at the one after the four and listened to the one from 1961.....it might be a bit enlightening......

As for me i am Agnostic....and i will not egage any christian beliefs...Jewish....Islamic....or any other religious beliefs that spew hatred towards others for not believing in their faith.....

Anyone whom thinks they are the chosen people then, they themselves are delusional...you see you think i am representing this man...when i am not...and i think he has a cool hat.....The zionist movement is political...and if you think it is not then you yourself have your head in the sand....

Now you think that i put in the last vid for fun sake....well your wrong again...because it is Orthodox jews against Zionism....and i know many jews whom are set against Zionism and i know many whom feel that their is no reason to support a homeland in order to have a thriving jewish community or religion...IT is only the Zionist movement that has this agenda.....IT is not the state of Israel.....it is the State of Rothchilds.....It is the SOR.....there is no doubt about it......The state of israel only exists for one purpose....that purpose is so that the end times can come......

In 1894--95 Alfred Dreyfus, a French Jewish officer, was WRONGFULLY convicted of treason and confined to Devil's Island. The trial triggered a wave of anti-Semitism in the cradle and bastion of Western European liberal democracy. This wave of French anti-Semitism was the PRIME motive behind Herzl authoring "The Jewish State" or Der Judenstaat, which appeared in 1896 under the subtitle of "An Attempt at a Modern Solution of the Jewish Question."

In 1895, Herzl, the founder of Zionism, wrote in his diary:

"We must expropriate gently the private property on the state assigned to us. We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it employment in our country. The property owners will come over to our side. Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discretely and circumspectly. Let the owners of the immoveable property believe that they are cheating us, selling us things for more than they are worth. But we are not going to sell them anything back."

source

1) What is "The People of Israel" ?

The People of Israel have existed for thousands of years.
They have their own particular, essential nature.
The Torah is the source of their essential nature.
Without Torah and Faith there is no People of Israel.
Whoever denies the Torah and the Faith is no longer part of the People of Israel.
The purpose of the People of Israel in this world is Divine Service.
Their salvation is occupation in Divine Service.
2) What is Zionism?

Zionism is a relatively new thing.
It has only existed for a century.
Zionism redefines the true essential nature of the People of Israel, and substitutes for it a completely contradictory and opposite character - a materialistic worldly nation.
Their misfortune is lack of what other nations possess, i.e. a state and army.
Their salvation is possession of a state and army etc.
This is clearly spelled out in the circles of Zionist thought, and among the leaders of the Zionist State, that through changing the nature and character of the People of Israel and by changing their way of thinking they can set before the People of Israel "their salvation" -- a state and an army.

source

as you see (but you dont see) the differences between jews and Zionism......So you can continue to belive in your Zionism......but becuase i speak out about it does not make me anti semetic.

If you think you are chosen over any other human on this planet...then you to shall fall with your Zionist friends...and this goes for all other religions who think this way....because if you believe your god is a loving god....then why would any god promote hatred.

Did the halocaust exists......IMO yes....did it exist to the degree that get publicly stated....I am not so sure.....have the jews suffered...yes....but not so much more than many peoples all over the world.....just have to dig alittle to find that out......

I think this says alot

The only time that the People of Israel were permitted to have a state was two thousand years ago when the glory of the creator was upon us, and likewise in the future when the glory of the creator will once more be revealed, and the whole world will serve Him, then He Himself (without any human effort or force of arms) will grant us a kingdom founded on Divine Service.

source as above link

Originally posted by Jameela

Originally posted by Azadok

TextI do not preach my religion to you, what I do is attempt to help you become better informed as to what my beliefs actually are, they really are not some terrifying set of beliefs that some news organizations might have you believe. But I could truly care less what you believe, as they will be between you and G-D, and I should hope that you can care less what my beliefs are.

reply to post by Jameela

 

Please explain verses 5 :20 and 5 :21 of your Koran . It is my understanding that it discusses how God gave the land they are on to them and I am speaking of the land God promised them in the Torah .

Do you wish to discuss my faith or my beliefs? As I believe that discussion would be outside the scope of this thread and hence off topic. Perhaps the OP would not appreciate a complete derailment of his thread, and it appears to be against forum policy? And at this point we are going far afield from the original of how people are prejudicial in their posting and threads on forum


Basically if I start giving exegesis of the Holy Quran, I might be accused of pushing my religion, and up til now all I have done is attempt to shed some light on unrest in two regions of the world.

(Sigh)

The answer we all expected. No answer at all. Doesn't have one.

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If you wish to know more about the religion of Shia Islam then go to www.shiaforums.com... there you may ask any question you like, it is a nice quiet shia forum.

You can also read many books in english such as this one;

www.al-islam.org.../revelation.htm

this site here has a huge collection of books, on the left side of the page you can choose from many topics;

www.al-islam.org...

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That's besides the point.

You were specifically asked to give your interpretation and you obviously don't have one because it doesn't agree with your views.

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by Jameela

 

That's besides the point.

You were specifically asked to give your interpretation and you obviously don't have one because it doesn't agree with your views.

It has nothing to do with whether or not it agrees with my views and I was quite clear in more than one post as to why I was not debating

If you are truly interested in my beliefs you will seek a means to learn it, I have given you some easily accessible means but I think you have no interest in such learning.

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I've already done my homework on this subject in the past.

THE QUR'AN SAYS THAT ALLAH GAVE THE LAND OF ISRAEL TO THE JEWS AND WILL RESTORE THEM TO IT AT THE END OF DAYS

Written by: Shaykh Prof. Abdul Hadi Palazzi

www.templemount.org...

Moreover - and those who try to use Islam as a weapon against Israel always conveniently ignore this point - the Holy Qur'an explicitly refers to the return of the Jews to the Land of Israel before the Last Judgment - where it says:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.'" [Qur'an 17:104] Therefore, from an Islamic point of view, there is NO fundamental reason which prohibits Muslims from recognizing a Israel as a state.

I do not believe that Islam is the factor preventing normalization between Arabs and the State of Israel. The real problem is that members of the ruling classes in Arab countries believe their authority and power would be threatned by democracy, modernization, and education in the Arab world. They use a distorted interpretation of Islam as a political tool, and unfortunately the majority of uneducated Arabs believe their poisonous propaganda.

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I'm a big fan of his, former Jew turned to Christianity. He cuts through all the bs and tells it like it is.