Tracing The Origins Of The Jinni

This is part 2 to a thread that was about the link between the Jinni and the Knights Templar. I left off the last thread with Dagon and the pagan gods influence on the Arabic 'mythology' of the Jinni/Djinn. I have been looking past Dagon to try to find the origins of the Jinni.
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Also related thread from another member - www.abovetopsecret.com...

In Arabic folklore and common mythology, a Marid (Arabic: مارد‎ mārid), is a jinn associated with open waters of the seas and oceans where it finds sanctuary. Marids are mentioned in pre-Islamic Arabian mythology and inside the One Thousand and One Nights alongside the Jinn in the story of The Fisherman and the Jinni[1]. [edit] Mythology Marids are often described as the most powerful type of jinn, having especially great powers. They are the most arrogant and proud as well. Like every jinn, they have free will yet could be compelled to perform chores. According to folklore, they also have the ability to grant wishes to mortals, but that usually requires battle, imprisonment, rituals, or just a great deal of flattery.

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So King Solomon knew all about the Jinni. The Templars dig at the site of Solomons Temple.

Legends surround the location of the Templars' first headquarters on the Temple Mount, which had been assigned to them by King Baldwin II of Jerusalem.[1][2] They were in operation there for 75 years. The Temple Mount is sacred ground to Jews, Christians, and Muslims, and is the location of the ruins of Solomon's Temple, and the ancient resting place of the Ark of the Covenant.[3]

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Solomons magical signet ring was discovered.

In Medieval Jewish, Christian and Islamic legends, the Seal of Solomon was a magical signet ring said to have been possessed by King Solomon, which variously gave him the power to command demons, genies (or jinni), or to speak with animals

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So the Templars find the ring. They control the jinni.

Dagon is worshipped by the Philistines and by the Amorite's.--

Dagon was originally an Assyro-Babylonian fertility god who evolved into a major northwest Semitic god, reportedly of grain (as symbol of fertility) and fish and/or fishing (as symbol of multiplying). He was worshipped by the early Amorites and by the inhabitants of the cities of Ebla (modern Tell Mardikh, Syria) and Ugarit (modern Ras Shamra, Syria) (which was an ancient city near the Mediterranean containing a large variety of ancient writings and pre-Judeo-Christian shrines). He was also a major member, or perhaps head, of the pantheon of the Biblical Philistines.

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In the earliest Sumerian sources, beginning about 2400 BC, the land of the Amorites ("the Mar.tu land") is associated not with Mesopotamia but with lands immediately to the West, including what is now modern Syria and Canaan.

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It is widely believed that Dagon, the major northwest Semitic god worshipped by the early Amorites and Philistines (2500 BC), was a direct influence upon the emerging Arab mythology of the djinn.

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Dagon is Marnas--

The vita of Porphyry of Gaza, mentions the great god of Gaza, known as Marnas (Aramaic Marnā the "Lord"), who was regarded as the god of rain and grain and invoked against famine. Marna of Gaza appears on coinage of the time of Hadrian.[4] He was identified at Gaza with Cretan Zeus, Zeus Krētagenēs. It is likely that Marnas was the Hellenistic expression of Dagon. His temple, the Marneion—the last surviving great cult center of paganism—was burned by order of the Roman emperor in 402. Treading upon the sanctuary's paving-stones had been forbidden. Christians later used these same to pave the public marketplace.

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But the chief god of Gaza, as is abundantly evident, was Marnas, the ' Cretan Zeus '. Though he is forgotten now, his worship was of the greatest importance in Palestine. A dedication to him has been found at Canatha in the Hauranhttp.

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The Marneion, the temple sacred to Zeus Marnas, who was the local Hellenistic incarnation of Dagon, the patron of agriculture, a god who had been worshipped in the Levant since the third millennium BCE, was set afire with pitch, sulfur and fat; it continued to burn for many days; stones of the Marneion were triumphantly reused for paving the streets.

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So the Christians ended the organised open worship of the pagan god Dagon/Marnus in 402 when they burn the Zues Marnus temple down.

The Palistinian Pagan god and Dagon/Manus is worshipped from 2500 bc until 402.

According to Arab historians such as Ibn Khaldun and Ali ibn al-Athir, Amalek is a name given to the Amorites and the Canaanites.

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So the Amelek religion is apparently a direct influence upon the emerging Arab mythology of the djinn/jinni.

If you go back further the jinni idea must come from Sumer. The Sumerians gods would have been an influence on the Amelek religion. To go back further than Dagon/Marnus you would look at the old Sumerian gods.I think of Enki. He seems to have some parallels with Dagon --

Enki in the south at the temple in Eridu. Enki was the god of beneficence, ruler of the freshwater depths beneath the earth, a healer and friend to humanity who in Sumerian myth was thought to have given humans the arts and sciences, the industries and manners of civilization; the first law-book was considered his creation,

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I was thinking Enki.

The main temple to Enki is called E-abzu, meaning "abzu temple" (also E-en-gur-a, meaning "house of the subterranean waters""), a ziggurat temple surrounded by Euphratean marshlands near the ancient Persian Gulf coastline at Eridu. He was the keeper of the divine powers called Me, the gifts of civilization. His image is a double-helix snake, or the Caduceus, very similar to the Rod of Asclepius used to symbolize medicine. He is often shown with the horned crown of divinity dressed in the skin of a carp. Considered the master shaper of the world, god of wisdom and of all magic, Enki was characterized as the lord of the Abzu (Apsu in Akkadian), the freshwater sea or groundwater located within the earth. In the later Babylonian epic Enûma Eliš, Abzu, the "begetter of the gods", is inert and sleepy but finds his peace disturbed by the younger gods so sets out to destroy them. His grandson Enki, chosen to represent the younger gods, puts a spell on Abzu "casting him into a deep sleep", thereby confining him deep underground. Enki subsequently sets up his home "in the depths of the Abzu." Enki thus takes on all of the functions of the Abzu, including his fertilising powers as lord of the waters and lord of semen.

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Enki the lord of semen does have alot in common with Dagon. There are links to other Sumerian gods--

“the dragon is an abandoner for he leaves all that is sacred. The dragon goes here and there without pause.” While this line is obviously symbolic (most likely referring to the practice of Tafrid) it does serve to establish a connection between the Dragon of Near Eastern myth with Khadhulu in Arab magick. The ancient dragon of the abyss (Tiamat) traces back to Sumeria. Sumeria was the oldest civilization known to have existed. If Khadhulu of Arab mysticism is synonymous with the Dragon of mythology (which the evidence suggests it might be) then Khadhulu has been “worshipped” for a very long time. The numerous parallels between Cthulhu and the Muqarribun’s Khadhulu are strong enough to suggest that Lovecraft expanded on Arab myth to create his deity Cthulhu. There is another interesting bit of information related to the Dragon of the Abyss (which originated in Sumeria) and Khadhulu. This data quite possibly is simple coincidence. On the other hand, it may not be coincidence; there is simply no way to tell yet. It concerns one of the titles of the Dragon, namely the Lord of the Abyss. The title Lord of the Abyss translated into Sumerian is “Kutulu.” Kutu means “Underworld” or “Abyss” and Lu is Sumerian for “Lord” or “Person of importance.” Let’s consider this for a moment: the Sumerian Kutulu is quite similar to Khadhulu in Arabic. Khadhulu is associated with the Dragon in Arab magickal texts. Khadhulu is also Identified with the Old Dragon (Shaitan) in the Quran. Next let’s look at Alhazred’s title. HPL wrote that Alhazred’s title was “Mad Poet.” “Mad” is usually written “majnun” in Arabic. Majnun means “mad” today. However, in the eighth century (Alhazred’s time) it meant “Possessed by Jinn.” To be called Mad or Possessed by Demons would be highly insulting to orthodox Muslims. The Sufis and Muqarribun regard Majnun as complimentary title. They even go so far as to call certain Sufi heroes Majnun. Jinn were powerful creatures of Arab myth. The Jinn, according to legend, came down from heaven (the sky) in the time before Adam. Therefore, they pre-exist mankind and thus called “Preadamites.” “Infidel pagans” worship these incredibly powerful beings. The Jinn can “beget young on mankind.” The Jinn are usually invisible to normal men. They apparently want great influence on Earth. Much of the magick used in Arab countries concerns the Jinn (protection spells against, or spells to call them up). The Jinn are thus virtually identical with Lovecraft’s Old Ones. Let’s look at the title “Mad Poet” some more. Jinn inspire poets in popular Arab myth. This is why Mohammad was so vehement in denying that he was a poet. He wanted it known that his revelation came from “God” and not the Jinn. So the title “the Mad Poet” indicates that Alhazred had made “Contact” with the Jinn (the Old Ones). It also Implies that his writings were directly inspired by them. This is entirely consistent with what Lovecraft wrote about Alhazred. Anyone unfamiliar with Arab magick and mysticism could not know the significance of “the Mad Poet” in Arabic. This again seems to indicate that Lovecraft probably had a source of rare information on Arab magick.

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Whether Dagon is directly influenced by Enki,Tiamat,Marduck,Enil or Nanna I think it is likely that the pagan god Dagon is Annunaki. Dagon is influenced by the Old Ones. The younger Sumerian gods were called 'Igigi'

Igigi was a term used to refer to the gods of heaven in Sumerian mythology. Though sometimes synonymous with the term "Annunaki," in one myth the Igigi were the younger gods who were servants of the Annunaki, until they rebelled and were replaced by the creation of humans.

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I think that the Igigi sound alot like the Jinni. They were around before man serving the Annunaki but rebelled and were replaced by humans.Sounds alot like what happened to Iblis for refusing to bow to Adam--

In Islamic theology jinn are said to be creatures with free will, made from smokeless fire by Allah as humans were made of clay, among other things.[7] According to the Qur'an, jinn have free will, and ʾIblīs abused this freedom in front of Allah by refusing to bow to Adam when Allah ordered angels and jinn to do so. For disobeying Allah, he was expelled from Paradise and called "Šayṭān" (Satan).

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So the Jinni/Iblis/Saytan are the Igigi. The Templar nights are in contact with Annunaki.

Jinni = Igigi

Originally posted by theubermensch
Whether Dagon is directly influenced by Enki,Tiamat,Marduck,Enil or Nanna I think it is likely that the pagan god Dagon is Annunaki. Dagon is influenced by the Old Ones. The younger Sumerian gods were called 'Igigi'

Igigi was a term used to refer to the gods of heaven in Sumerian mythology. Though sometimes synonymous with the term "Annunaki," in one myth the Igigi were the younger gods who were servants of the Annunaki, until they rebelled and were replaced by the creation of humans.

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I think that the Igigi sound alot like the Jinni. They were around before man serving the Annunaki but rebelled and were replaced by humans.Sounds alot like what happened to Iblis for refusing to bow to Adam--

The Jinn stem from the Apkallu of Sumer, not from the gods. Apkallu is the Akkadian term, they were the Abgal in the Sumerian l;anguage.

The Apkallu were the "seven sages" of their mythology, sent by Ea to educate humans.

When the ignorant here at ATS post pics of what they claim are "Anunnaki," it is almost invariably a pic of one of these seven Apkallu.

Here's the wiki article on them: Apkallu

Harte

Howdy Harte

Yes the good old Annunaki. Oh updated the Apkallu link, removed the term, 'The seven Apkallu were primarily present before the flood.' Odd how that stuff sneaks in

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Thanks OP for all this information. I can't wait to dig into to all of it.....should make for a good read over the weekend.

I'm not sure why I have always been fascinated by the Jinni but, it's always been an interest of mine. I've never really delved this deeply into the origins so it should be fun.

Thanks again.

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Thanks for the heads up. Its hard to know where to look for this kind of stuff.

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Thanks too.

All the Sumerian stuff is so interesting. Seems strange that its glossed over and all the focus is put in Egypt,Greece,Rome...

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Pretty interesting reading about the old gods. I love all the Sumerian stuff.

Originally posted by theubermensch
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Thanks too.

All the Sumerian stuff is so interesting. Seems strange that its glossed over and all the focus is put in Egypt,Greece,Rome...

Their ruins are less impressive, their culture had less immediate impact and tourism to that area has been limited for two generations

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Pretty interesting reading about the old gods. I love all the Sumerian stuff.

I Agree!

Unfortunately, I'm just recovering from some sort of evil virus so, I haven't had the chance to read your material.

High hopes for this coming weekend though.

Can I PLEASE get a break???

Please?

I Really need some mental stimulation!!!!