Leave Monotheistic Religion And There Will Be No Final Battle

Addressing The House of Israel, the Christian Churches, and the Muslim Ummah:

Your god teaches that you will be summoned at an unknown time to help the Jewish Messiah, or Jesus, or Imam Mahdi. You will be commanded to enter god's army and ordered to slaughter those who do not believe. Did you think the End Times Battle was going to be magical and peaceful? Actual humans slaughtering actual humans.

How can we avoid such a bloody war?

• Don't fight. Don't kill. Tell your god to do the killing himself if it so pleases him.

• Love and treat others as you love and treat your self. See people as other yous.

• Do not oppress or infringe upon the free will of others. Others shall not oppress or infringe upon the free will of others.


Simple as that! No Battle of Armageddon or Battle of Qiyamah.
Only brotherhood that transcends the separation of religion.

Peace.

Where is your evidence that Christians will partake in this battle?

God has given the earth a time and then a time of judgement. Turn to Jesus and you will not suffer.
What makes you think I for one want to serve humanity over God, what reason should humanity be my master, corrupt, evil, vile, and violent race.
Why should the will of other people usurp the will of The God over everything.
My God is a great King who has treated me fairly and justly. I will serve my God and yes I am happy if called to do any duty he asks of me. I am in His service not humanity's.
When the final battle happens it will be the end. God cant be stopped. I love Him its my desire to serve Him.
Jesus showed me his love by dying for me. Humanity only shows me love when it wants from me.

Originally posted by borntowatch
Where is your evidence that Christians will partake in this battle?

God has given the earth a time and then a time of judgement. Turn to Jesus and you will not suffer.
What makes you think I for one want to serve humanity over God, what reason should humanity be my master, corrupt, evil, vile, and violent race.
Why should the will of other people usurp the will of The God over everything.
My God is a great King who has treated me fairly and justly. I will serve my God and yes I am happy if called to do any duty he asks of me. I am in His service not humanity's.
When the final battle happens it will be the end. God cant be stopped. I love Him its my desire to serve Him.
Jesus showed me his love by dying for me. Humanity only shows me love when it wants from me.

You sound just like a suicide bomber.

Although, I'm sure you're probably aware of that.

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We do not do the fighting and killing in Yeshua's army, he does it all. We won't even lift a finger.

Problem solved.

The King of kings is capable of fighting his own battles, he has all the power of the universe at his command. His second coming is the first judgement.

Originally posted by DaTroof

Originally posted by borntowatch
Where is your evidence that Christians will partake in this battle?

God has given the earth a time and then a time of judgement. Turn to Jesus and you will not suffer.
What makes you think I for one want to serve humanity over God, what reason should humanity be my master, corrupt, evil, vile, and violent race.
Why should the will of other people usurp the will of The God over everything.
My God is a great King who has treated me fairly and justly. I will serve my God and yes I am happy if called to do any duty he asks of me. I am in His service not humanity's.
When the final battle happens it will be the end. God cant be stopped. I love Him its my desire to serve Him.
Jesus showed me his love by dying for me. Humanity only shows me love when it wants from me.

You sound just like a suicide bomber.

Although, I'm sure you're probably aware of that.

I am a Christian who believes Jesus message in two laws.
Love God and love everyone else. I am not called to be a soldier of God but a servant to man
Suicide and murder are not part of the Christian ethos. I have a choice to serve God or humanity. I will serve God and he will lead me to serve humanity till Jesus returns.

I am not a judge, jury or executioner.

reply to post by borntowatch


That's cool, bro. Believe what you want. I'm just pointing out that the principle I underlined in your first post is the same one shared by jihadists.

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I thought revelations is supposed to be a bloodbath? With all this talk the general forum is doing about mindcontrol and americas fear of letting down israel i dont see any way possible to avoid this holy war. Im just scared for how there gonna treat us christians. Some people say we will be tortured some people say we will get the guilotine. I wonder if when the apocolypse comes we can break certain commandments for survivals sake?

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Well, it is easy to say that people only treat you well when they want somthing, and your God treats you great all the time. However, if we were omnipotent omnipresent allpowerful beings that didnt have to spend every waking second humping to feed our kids, we would probably have alot more time for ya bud. However, since your oh so great God decided to make this world he forced upon us as #ty a place as possible, well I would say, your God's idea of doing me a favor, reminds me of how Hitler was doing all those Jews a favor in WW2.

reply to post by Sahabi

Where is your evidence that Christians will partake in this battle?

This. ^^

I want to know as well.

reply to post by DaTroof

You sound just like a suicide bomber.

No, that's the other team. The moon god worshipers.

Well the truth is, Christians side with Israel no matter how corrupt their government is; and ignore the corruption they've ingrained into America. So by nature most Christians are Zionist. Combined with the self-fulfilling prophecy(ies) of Christianity/Islam, war seems like a great idea to them --- to get the ball rolling on the end times. Such a mind-state of the religious masses may actually result in the end times, all thanks to your firm beliefs.

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However, since your oh so great God decided to make this world he forced upon us as #ty a place as possible, well I would say, your God's idea of doing me a favor, reminds me of how Hitler was doing all those Jews a favor in WW2.

This world is "#ty" because the god (small g) of this world is the devil. Remember when satan took Christ to a high mountain and showed Him all the nations of the earth and offered them to Him if only He would bow and worship him? It would not be a temptation if the nations were not satan's to control and give to whomever he chose to. If it's not true it's not a temptation. God gave Adam dominion of the entire Earth, and Adam forfeited it to satan when he fell.

We are waiting for His 2nd coming when He brings His kingdom to Earth and satan is bound. That's what we pray when we pray the Lord's prayer, "Thy kingdom come..".

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Where is your evidence that Christians will partake in this battle?

This. ^^

I want to know as well.

I know the wording during the battle in Revelation 19 says "host of heaven" or "armies of heaven," however, this verse explains prior:

Book of Revelations 17:14

NIRV: "They will make war against the Lamb. But the Lamb will overcome them because he is the most powerful Lord of all and the greatest King of all. His appointed, chosen and faithful followers will be with him."

KJV: "These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful."

NASB: "These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful.”

NLT: "Together they will go to war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will defeat them because he is Lord of all lords and King of all kings. And his called and chosen and faithful ones will be with him.”

Originally posted by Raelsatu
Well the truth is, Christians side with Israel no matter how corrupt their government is; and ignore the corruption they've ingrained into America.

Not at all, we love and support them because God still has a plan of redemption for them. And God even says that it's for His name sake He helps them, not at all for their faithfulness. We can still disagree with things their government does, and support the "nation" of Israel, worldwide.

Think of the parable of the prodigal son. While the one son was away from the Father, the other son was still his brother. Israel is still our "brothers" even while they are wayward, for like the prodigal son story, they will return to the Father.

So by nature most Christians are Zionist.

Not quite true, it depends on that particular Christian's hermeneutic approach to reading scripture. A person with a ridged literal interpretation will lean to Zionist because the OT says God will regather Israel "a 2nd time" from the nations. If you want to allegorize the Eschatelogical components of the NT then you'll favor "Replacement Theology" and amillinnialism.

Combined with the self-fulfilling prophecy(ies) of Christianity/Islam, war seems like a great idea to them --- to get the ball rolling on the end times.

Explain why the Jews would be concerning themselves with "self-fulfilling" Christian prophecy. Then explain how Christians are persuading Israel and Muslim nations to fulfill Christian prophecy please?

Such a mind-state of the religious masses may actually result in the end times, all thanks to your firm beliefs.

Muslim perhaps, like Iran's Prez, they believe there needs to be world chaos for the 12th Imam to arrive on the scene with Jesus, and actually make speeches saying they desire to usher the guy in.

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host of heaven

That's angels. "Lord of hosts" = Sovereign ruler over the angels. Satan will have all his fallen angel and demon henchmen on the scene, Jesus is bringing His guys too, if anything for an audience.

Regardless if it's the Crusades, Jihad, Battle of Armegeddon or Qiyam... we should not be killing for Peace... killing for Love... killing for Forgiveness...

Jesus said live by the sword die by the sword... yet he is coming back with a big sword in his mouth?

I'm just dreaming of Peace and human brotherhood.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


No you forget michael is supposed to chain up satan. Then theres that dude from the abyss he is supposed to do something. Theres also those grim reaper types but i cant be sure if there angels cuase it doesn't really specify.

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I believe Satan is an allegorical entity, representing the side of human nature that's bound to earthly things; i.e materialism & egotism. It's very convenient for people to explain away their negative actions by looking to an invisible demonic force as the tempter. The fact is, it's not that simple. For example how would you explain psychopaths, who are born with a brain that literally is unable to process love or empathy? Arguably their consciousness is still intact, but that is not the decider of which emotions prevail. It's an impaired ventromedial prefrontal cortex, & considerably smaller amygdala that contributes to their absolute selfishness.

I do believe there is a spirituality in human beings, & I've always felt this way growing up till this point. Yet I do not find the answers I'm looking for in the Bible, nor in faith of an omni-being that is supposedly pure love; despite his allowing of a place for eternal torture. The excuse that a fallen angel could tempt his perfect creations, in a so-called perfect garden, makes little to no sense. Appearing more like a twisted setup where-bye billions of future minds, free-thinkers & the rest are subjugated to an inevitable damnation. I prefer to do my soul searching elsewhere.

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So.... Revelations 17:14 is saying that the chosen believers at the war will be only used as audience? Where's the proof in that?

Add:
In the above referenced verse, the word "called" in this contexts seems to indicate a call to war, call to battle. What do you think?

Originally posted by Sahabi
Regardless if it's the Crusades, Jihad, Battle of Armegeddon or Qiyam... we should not be killing for Peace... killing for Love... killing for Forgiveness...

"WE" shouldn't be killing for any reason other than protection of oneself or another.

Jesus said live by the sword die by the sword... yet he is coming back with a big sword in his mouth?

That's an idiom for the Word of God. It's flaming meaning He is bringing judgment.

I'm just dreaming of Peace and human brotherhood.

Good news, that's the purpose of Christ's reign, to reign in peace and righteousness. It will be the greatest time for everyone in human history. Come on, we still have room on the Jesus bandwagon.