Islam will take over Europe

Originally posted by LeSigh

Originally posted by fakedirt
reply to post by jNormal

 

as long as bacon butties and sausages roam free throughout the land there is nothing to fear. there are jewish courts here as well as systems for muslims. google it.
we are and have been multi-cultural for hundreds of years. calm down and have a cuppa.
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The inherent problem with Jewish and Sharia courts in Western countries is this: What if you're a member of one of the two religious groups living in the west, and you're the victim? I guarantee you that you wouldn't want to go to the Sharia court but the Western court. Would you be forced to go to the Sharia court anyway, especially if the person who victimized you wants to go? It sounds as if the western governments have done a Pontius Pilate and washed their hands. Meanwhile, innocents suffer. Your government is complicit via their silence and allowance of such a charade of justice on their watch.

edit on 2-3-2012 by LeSigh because: (no reason given)

edit on 2-3-2012 by LeSigh because: (no reason given)

i am not privy to the functions involved within both these systems. the uk has civil law and criminal law instruments. the criminal law instruments apply to all persons within the uk. civil law for disputes between two or more parties such as tort or financial to name but two dispute considerations.
i understand that if both parties agree to settle a dispute within their own system (jewish or muslim) then the facilities are in place. as i understand there is no mandatory law to force both parties into their own court system, it is an agreement between both parties to be heard in that manner. if agreement cannot be reached to be heard within their own system, the civil law courts are there to hear the dispute and rule accordingly.

i don't see this as the gubbermint washing their hands at all. i see this as accommodating the instruments to allow disputes between parties wishing for consideration within their own system of law primarily and if this fails then off to the more expensive option of civil tort or other civil legal instruments.
if you or any other member know different to the above statements, please post links for me.
regards fakedirt.

Sharia Law is filth. It is a disgrace that the UK bends to the laws of a modern-day genocidal religion within the government. The UK's government has put their original citizens in a bind.

Though im Christian , i figured most of our UK borthers would have learned by the oppression of the past Catholic Churchs that religion and Government dont mix very well. Unless of course it is an accepted value among the population.

reply to post by Mclaneinc


I wasn't playing any ''cards''.

However I am enlightened with what you have told me.

Do not expect me to know your life story or the people around you, as I do not. At the same time,I do not expect to know mine.

Either way, I thank you for sharing what you have, as it has explained where you are coming from in this debate.

My point with what I've asked here, and I do apologise for pointing it at you (you where the last poster and I'd hit reply), the question was to any one in general who felt that they have been invaded, or terrorised.

I do see that you have stated multiple times ''radical''. Though none the less, going through this thread has shown few here know the line between the two!

Obviously people have lost that understanding that few bad apples do not spoil the whole tree.

Also kudos to you to you for getting involved in your wife's culture/background.

reply to post by nenothtu


Uhhh, you think you're some kind of knight templar on your way for crusing, i mean, eh crusading?

Originally posted by milkyway12
Sharia Law is filth. It is a disgrace that the UK bends to the laws of a modern-day genocidal religion within the government. The UK's government has put their original citizens in a bind.

Though im Christian , i figured most of our UK borthers would have learned by the oppression of the past Catholic Churchs that religion and Government dont mix very well. Unless of course it is an accepted value among the population.

edit on 3-3-2012 by milkyway12 because: (no reason given)

uk doesn't bend to sharia. it put in place systems both jewish and muslim to allow plaintiffs and defendants the opportunity to be heard within an agreed framework that reflects their culture. if this fails they are entitled to seek satisfaction within the english legal framework. i fail to see the wrong in this. in fact i think it is admirable that the law has given accommodation prior to english civil court action.
2nd paragraph is a bit difficult to understand. if you can clarify the statement i will gladly answer within my capacity of understanding.

finally is it or is it not in the capacity of christians to forgive the transgressions of others no matter what has been done against them or do i suspect this is a selective tenet?

best wishes fakedirt.

"Islam will take over Europe"

Yeah well is that any worse that zionist banker money taking over europe where people are dieing in hospital due to cancer and we are told (TOLD) we don't have the money to save their lives and on the other hand we are TOLD we got to keep fighting the terrorists.

Don't know about you but i don't even know of any freinds of freinds or freinds killed by these terrorist the media talks about 24/7 but i have several freinds with cancer and many are getting 3rd treatment after paying for 1st class premiums for a service they are not getting.

Do spare me the crap about 9/11 because the jury is still out on that one and we will one day get our day in court.

Originally posted by Bluesma

Originally posted by seiva7

this is the most idiotic thread I ever saw in my life.

my GOD are you educated, high school maybe?

anyway, reading books is what you need to do: all of you without a REAL religion and hatred in your heart.

whatever is good will TAKE over Europe and there is no problem with that.

brain check advised, possible lobotomy recommended.

idiots.

Guess what? I got out into the world and found out that even the best ideologies can be twisted and used to very bad intents, and they are, everyday. My inner world was rosy and full of butterflies and I lived for books.
It was also a nice way to avoid reality, with all it's dark sides, and all the ways I might get pulled into being a part of it.
Come down where I live. I'll let you work alone in my store for a few months. When you have been held up a couple of times (don't have a weapon or try to defend yourself! You'll end up in jail! Do as they say!), or have had a gang of young arabs wait for you to come out at night to beat you or rape you (depending upon your sex)....add that to the day to day disrespect and spitting on that you'll get.... you might change your mind.
Or hurry up and run back inside to find the world of books again.

I am sorry you were having bad life, really.

but you're not the only person in the world living or working in a bad neighborhood.

I heard exact same story about dozen different nations and creeds, personally.

what is common in all these stories is a person who is telling the story: just a sad abused (usually male) guy who because of some bad, very bad experiences with a certain group becomes even more ignorant than he/she was before.

you know what?! we all have bad experiences and troubles in my life, I got beaten in my life! BUT THAT IS NOT THE REASON for me to hate the group that did it to me.

BECAUSE I KNOW! they were/are minority of their group!

every, even the most backward groups of thugs (any) will show you respect if you show THEM respect.

if you behave like an idiot and without a respect toward any group you will receive disrespect in one form or another.

and you know, JESUS CHRIST said it all: ASK AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE

KARMA my brother; better you work on it before it's too late:

SPREAD LOVE; you'll receive love.

(and please don't respond explaining how certain groups are evil or in Bush's words "doesn't share same values like us"...)

YHWH

reply to post by Mentalistbee


Its odd, when I get into these threads the first post I do is normally to explain the 3 types of Muslims (The normal, the moderate and the radical) that exist so people can actually point more correctly at who they believe is the enemy, its about the first time I've not done that

I hate the tarring of all Muslims and yes there's plenty in here who just love to abuse the whole set of people, there's some that make a mistake but mostly its just pure ignorance. And I agree you were not supposed to be aware of my life story any more than I am of yours, its just I post in these threads quite a lot

My personal viewpoint on people is that if you are doing something that you enjoy that's not harming others then fine, I have no problems with people classed as homosexuals or gay, they are just another human I either get on with or not as in life. I don't see colour in people, I'd never met a black person or a Chinese person when I came here from Belfast, I'd seen them on TV in black and white but that was it, on the other hand I'd never been brought up with the illogical hate of anyone 'different' like many in Britain have. I just came here met these people and got on with life and them.

I do however see a very real threat from these radicals, I enjoy this thing we call freedom, well freedom is actually a lie as none of us are actually free, we just have more or less choices in life but I'm happy the way it is, I certainly do not want yet another control system put into place, especially one that would look at my wife and daughter and treat them differently to men, to place them into ownership.

Just remember what that cabinet minister passed on to his friend as words of wisdom, "Don't let the bastards grind you down".

Very true words...

reply to post by Mclaneinc


Man , did you see this video? little off topic, sorry

Originally posted by fakedirt

uk doesn't bend to sharia. it put in place systems both jewish and muslim to allow plaintiffs and defendants the opportunity to be heard within an agreed framework that reflects their culture. if this fails they are entitled to seek satisfaction within the english legal framework. i fail to see the wrong in this. in fact i think it is admirable that the law has given accommodation prior to english civil court action.

I'd actually disagree with the non bending bit, I think we have bent over backwards with the radicals, there are many things that a non Radical has to do that a radical can get out of. You may say well that's the radicals but its the radicals who propose Shariah and follow this man made creation in their countries.

While I understand a form of mediation of sorts in these matters I think you will find that these courts actually are still zero reflective towards women regardless of if she is right or not, many attend these hearings fail and then are MADE to not seek outside intervention by their families hence I find zero need for them in this country.

One of the friends of my mother in laws family are actually at this point about to attend one of these Shariah courts because the Husbands wife is trying to make sure that her mother in law shares any death benefits with just the males and not any of the daughters. This practice is common in these countries where the male will get all or most of any preceeds but for me in our culture its just common or garden greed and bad treatment of women.

The woman should be allowed to leave her money to the cat if she wants but family are pushing her to this court purely as a point of control because of this woman (the wife of the husband) who was brought to this country based on an arranged marriage.

We should NOT be encouraging these foul practices by allowing these courts.

reply to post by DumbTopSecretWriters


Re that video...Hmm...What's odd is that everything he mentioned was not just down to Christians, ALL were applicable to almost every religion out there, mind you he lost me with the context of pouring scorn on them for hating faggots, did he not understand the irony of what he had just muttered.

The people you have to worry about and the ones destroying this world are pure and simply the people in power, be they in the eye of the camera or controlling behind it. Greed has no religious boundaries, to be honest greed was pretty much invented by religion and ALL are very guilty of it. Trust me, when it comes to greed you will be amazed how quickly a Jewish person will work with even the most radical Muslim, how anyone who is greedy will come together to keep that power between as few as possible.

Yes the radicals want to have a total Islamic state but who's actually helping that could be anyone..

Originally posted by Mclaneinc

'I'd actually disagree with the non bending bit.'


'The woman should be allowed to leave her money to the cat if she wants but family are pushing her to this court purely as a point of control because of this woman (the wife of the husband) who was brought to this country based on an arranged marriage.'



do you think both the jewish and the muslim court frameworks be dismantled and we all revert to the same civil law?

regarding the dispute, i agree, the woman should be allowed to leave her money to whomever or whatever she pleases.
again i re-iterate that in my understanding these courts are not mandatory and require both or more parties consent.
regards fakedirt.

reply to post by seiva7

My life is very happy, despite these facts about what is going in in this country. I am not male, by the way, and I am not one who had one or two bad experiences. I am not filled with hatred and all that flowery type of whatever you want to go on about. (i'll refrain from making any characterizations about you, I am not into that)

Your life does not need to be hell, you do not need to be unhappy, to face facts about reality. I suggest you do some research into the state of this in the South of France. Really. As much as it might make you feel good to claim I am some type of miserable extremist ignorant to help you deny what I have reported, it won't make a bit of difference to the facts of reality and the way they are evolving.

You know, the people here who *claim* to be all love and not hate are the ones putting up the most nasty assumptions, characterizations and name calling about others up here. If you want to be taken seriously, walk your talk.

I believe in the power of positive thinking- I simply do not believe we should take that so far as to go into denial about things happening in which others are suffering.


Editted to add- If you had bothered to at least look at the other posts I have done in this thread before making your assumptions, you would have seen my statement that I face each individual as one when I come face to face with them. I have friends which are muslim. That DOES NOT change the situation. My friends also, have to live in struggle with it. The muslims who are not "fanatic" are being victimized along with anyone who is not muslim. There is a huge movement here that they too, acknowledge. It is, like I said, a younger generation.
What is happening is that as the "fanatics" have the stronger hand now, and the police cannot protect anyone from it, the moderate muslims find themselves forced to join with the fanatics, for their own survival.

Originally posted by DumbTopSecretWriters
reply to post by nenothtu

 

Uhhh, you think you're some kind of knight templar on your way for crusing, i mean, eh crusading?

Yeah, I take a lot of hits for the avatar, and that's the way I mean for it to work. It distracts you, keeps your focus off the issues at hand, and keeps you off balance. Does a good job, too - just look at your post - you attacked a PICTURE, missed the discussion topic altogether!

It's just there for folks with short attention spans, and provides a target for people who can't converse on the actual topic intelligently.

It's not a "Templar", it's a Hospitaler. Know your Crusaders if you intend to inject ancient history into current events as a way of avoiding the topic.

I'm not a Templar. I'm not a Hospitaler. I'm not really 900 years old, and I don't habitually dress in soup cans. it's an avatar. get over it.

Focus, Grasshopper.

Religion wise- both are quite similar. But let us delve deeper into the lifestyles members of both types of states endure.

If you would prefer to live in a Muslim state (Sharia) vs a Christian state (Democratic) then I would like to simply hear why you would prefer the prior.

To me a good reason not to have children if you live in the Western world as of late is simply because of the frightening aspect that they will mature into a Sharia driven world. Think about it before you simply state the similarities in the religions. The ways of life in both states are very different and if you make a list of pros and cons in both you quickly find the Sharia states have many more cons. (Assuming you are a free thinking, modern individual who is more left, left of center or center leaning than anything else

reply to post by fakedirt


Re the courts, sadly (I can't speak for the Jewish counterparts) the Shariah courts still have a huge male influence, the woman can have as many parties as she likes but when said Imam / cleric presiding over it makes his decision its very rare for the woman to actually win in any form.

Well unless you count in the case of domestic violence cases where the woman has been badly beaten and the court tells the man he must be only correcting her by accepted Shariah guide lines which if you listen from Saudi cleric to cleric range from mild hitting and not to the face to complete beatings.

If people think the woman has had a win with him being to to be more gentle then I'm pretty disturbed at the whole thing.

As said, the major problem with these courts is that they rely on the people attending them to be devout in their Shariah beliefs and NOT to take it further, for me that's sending out the wrong messages to people in the West, if you come here you have the protection of British laws, to have a separate system telling these women its ok to be hit and allowing the man to think rape is valid has knock on problems for other people in the UK, lets say the man decides women are indeed subservient and while say in a shop or where ever takes his anger out on the shop person, is that ok as he's got one ruling in this country saying its ok.

People may say that he can only beat his wife but read the man made stuff again, in his eye's he's allowed to do what he feels to a non believer.....That's Shariah law...

And lets not go down the rape ideal, its already shockingly real.

I'm bowing out of the thread now because I've said my part and by this time most parties are set in their ways and will continue posting to their thoughts normally without actually check the real facts.

Everything I've posted is 100% true, its either personal experience or confirmed by Muslim sources. Shariah courts are NOT a good thing, when you have males given a hardcore Shariah teaching it leads to violence, look at the cases popping up all over the place of rapes by radical Muslims, 99% using the excuse that their 'faith' allows them.

The faith they follow isn't the book, its man made scripture...MAN MADE

How can anyone who claims to follow a divine religion based on gods apparently using the word of god then allow mere mortals to rewrite the word, there's nothing wrong with sieving out the more people unfriendly bits but to have a MAN declare new rules and then say he's following the original book is just nonsense.

A religion based on man alone ISN'T the original thing and fraudulent, if you follow that new religion then you loose all rights to try and steal bits back when it suits you.

As for the spread of radicals, its real, its seriously terrifyingly real, forget the foot soldiers, look at the size of radical Islam and its affect on world affairs, its growing at a serious rate and one day the foot soldiers WILL be given their orders.

But then, what do I know, I'm merely a man living on a horrendous council estate in the UK, and if you think I'd let that little niggle affect my learning and research then you are dafter than I think you are. Open those eyes, read, listen, look at your area's, talk to all the people, talk to the radicals, the imams the people in the Mosques. If you do this then you will see the same picture I do from the source.

And lastly, educate yourselves, Muslim is not a single group, understand who's the normal Muslim, the moderate Muslim and the radical ones, you WILL be stunned by the differences.

To the ordinary Muslims I offer you salam alaikum...

reply to post by Mclaneinc


thank you for the reply and personal insight into the issues as you interpret them.

i suspect if or when this situation reaches a head with radicals and extremists then the politicians will be compelled to act although i suspect they are currently reluctant to speak on the issue.

brutality and violence against females in my opinion is unacceptable. the same can be said for males also. no-one should be hindered in life by threats against themselves or others close to them.

integration was the original ideal, however it seems to have been left by the wayside judging by the increasing amount of incidents and hostility towards the natives from the radicals.

for all who have concerns or have been affected by this issue, i compell you to contact your mp's. at the very least you have put the issue in their court and as the representatives of the people, they have an obligation to address the issue before (dare i say it) it's too late.

anyway mclaneinc best wishes to you and yours.
fakedirt.

worldwide tyranny in the name of fighting islamic terrorism that is OBVIOUSLY a farse is what causes people to look to a new faith and explore Islamic culture and religion... JESUS

COMMON SENSE WHERE ARE YOU??

They don't just start multiplying like rabbits and EXPLODE with a bunch of new little Muslims. Islam was ALREADY the largest world religion.

THANK THOSE WHO TARGET ISLAM FOR THE WORLDWIDE SYMPATHY.

I have no opinion on whether that is good or bad because quite frankly it's still the same screwed up world where everyone is trying to control each others thoughts and beliefs.

this very thread is paranoid fascist driven PROOF!

If it happens and it turns out bad WE BROUGHT IT ON OURSELVES.

There is NO better way to gain sympathy votes than to victimize.

WAKE UP!

It seems to me that Islam was designed to counter Xtianity and their willingness to 'turn the other cheek' by the Islamic - no compromise ratchet mechanism of intimidation and the few% of suicide enforcers who will kill anyone for the slightest dissent or percieved resistance to creeping Islamification.


So - the pefect problem reaction solution for the NWO, we either succumb passively to the nightmare world of global Islamo-facist theocracy - or we reach a tipping point where total civil/jihad war breaks out or is triggered by the NWO.

Complete breakdown of civil society - 90%+ pop reduction..............................then NWO arises out of the ruins.