Ron Paul Supporters: A What If Situation Question.

It would appear to me based on the recent primary results from Michigan and Arizona that Mitt Romney is gaining momentum and has a very good chance to become the Republican nominee for President. Barring the unforseen or a radical surge in the polls, Ron Paul will not be able to capture the nomination. In light of this distinct possibility there is a politcal rumor circulating regarding the Vice Presidential slot on the ticket.

One of the candidiates being bandied about is Ron Paul's son, Rand. While the son is not the father he does seem to espouse some of the very same ideals and principles as his father and has already garnered respect in the Senate during his short tenure. My question is, as distasteful as it would be for Ron Paul supporters to not get their candidate into the Presidential Election, how strongly would they support a Mitt Romney/Rand Paul ticket?

It gives Ron Paul supporters a person in the Executive Branch who can articulate many of the positions and values that makes Ron Paul so popular. It also provides the outside chance that in 8 years (if Romney gets elected and re-elected) for Rand Paul to make his own run at the White House as a two-term Vice President.

On the flip side, if he is selected as the Vice Presidential candidate and his ticket looses it still gives him valuable national exposure and the chance to further his political views and ambitions with an eye on running in 2016. Any thoughts or comments on these two scenarios?

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus


The problem with that is... Well the VP holds little to no power. I mean, assuming Romney doesn't die or resign before his term is up, the only thing a VP is even ALLOWED to do is break ties in senate. That may be nice, but also rarely happens. In fact, they aren't even allowed to share their opinions during congressional debates. So really, I am not sure if that would make me wanna hurry down to the voter's booth to put in Romney.

Originally posted by PhysicsAdept
The problem with that is... Well the VP holds little to no power.

It does however give you a fairly clear national-level position to advocate from. Particularly since he has youth on his side.

What about the second part of my question; national exposure for being on the ticket?

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus


Well national exposure I suppose it could incur but also, when I look at the candidates I determine who they are associated with. IMO Mitt Romney is fake, evil, and ignorant. To say that I would advocate and support someone who supports that? Well... that is what I am trying to vote against

Now, I am not saying Rand would be swayed morally by the position, nor that he fully endorses Romney if he were to do so... BUT, you can always turn down a VP position, and I would likely respect him more.

Too add to the publicity thing... well how much attention does Biden really get these days? If he ran for president then I don't think the whole Obama thing really helps his campaign in a positive light.

Can you name ten things Biden has done since in office -- Off the top of your head?

I came up with swearing and beer drinking,

My point: I don't think TRUE Paul supporters will be happy with him as a VP. To get done what he wants accomplishes can't be done as VP.

Edit to add: I think after four years being associated with Romney will do more harm than good frankly. The only time a VP comes out ahead is AFTER 8 solid years. We are in no position to have a solid four years from any candidate IMO.

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus

Well, I don't believe that voting really matters (honestly). I do however vote anyways.
What I mean is, I don't think the average person has any real choice in the matter when it comes to who actually gets to be the President.
That being said, even though I am a big Paul supporter and will vote for him no matter what, he most likely will not win. Even though I know that my vote will not really count and the position is not really decided by anyone other than tptb, the symbolism in going through with my conviction will be enough, I think, in all of Paul's supporters, to spark a new form of rebellion and perhaps a movement.
We all know that the good guys never win in the real world, because this world, for the most part is ruled by ancient serpent/reptilian lucifer cult called among other names, the Watchers.

No, I do not think I could ever support Romney who I imagine being the Prince of Luxembourg or something similar like some super douche a** hat.

Nope! I would not vote for Romney....even IF Ron Paul was the VP pick!

Being VP is like being the county fair queen.

I am sick and tired of voting for the lesser of two evils, and if Ron or Rand ran with Romney it would seriously ruin their legitimacy IMO.

Third party.....I'll vote for RP. Romney's underling? NO!

reply to post by lpowell0627


Right! my point exactly. I barely even know who Biden is, let alone what he has done to change things, any views he specifically has. Putting Rand in there... well I am not sure that is the right answer.

Originally posted by lpowell0627
My point: I don't think TRUE Paul supporters will be happy with him as a VP. To get done what he wants accomplishes can't be done as VP.

But it gives him an opportunity to advocate his stance for, at the very least, the election cycle (which includes the convention) and at the very most, 8 years. He is young and dynamic and to compare him to Joe Biden, who always seems to have a chronic case of pedal-oral insertion syndrome, is not a very good comparision. Who says the Vice President needs to hide in the shadows? Maybe it needs to be revolutionized somewhat with a person who is willing to strongly voice their position.

I'm putting Ron Paul in for President. I won't settle for anything less.

reply to post by PhysicsAdept


Yep Cheney had no power as VP.

Teddy Roosevelt was made VP under McKinley because the Republican party wanted to give him a position that gave him little power. That strategy backfired on them.

Originally posted by jrod
Yep Cheney had no power as VP.

Except when Bush used Cheney's advice. I recall talk in those days suggesting Cheney was the mastermind. His company Halliburton sure made a killing on the war ("restructuring Iraq").

Also, VP is one of the best places to be in as a potential future president. (wasn't Bush Sr. Reagan's VP?) Personally I don't think Rand would VP for any of the status-quo pushers but it's interesting to think about.

Originally posted by circlemaker
Also, VP is one of the best places to be in as a potential future president. (wasn't Bush Sr. Reagan's VP?) Personally I don't think Rand would VP for any of the status-quo pushers but it's interesting to think about.

This is the point I was attempting to make. You get, if elected, 4 or 8 years of hearing 'Vice President Paul' and the same amount of time with him advocating his positions on government. He does not need to be buffoonish like the current Vice President. He can be articulate and forceful on his positions.

Comparing Biden to Rand Paul is like apples and chestnuts.

Biden has had his days in the light.

I never thought for a split second that Biden was chosen for VP on "qualifications".

Rand Paul is just getting started.

Rand Paul on any national ticket would be good for the future.

It would put him in a better position with better exposure.

Originally posted by xuenchen
Comparing Biden to Rand Paul is like apples and chestnuts.

More like comparing apples to a retarded apple.

The whole Romney/Paul ticket is a false accusation. Look to what Lew Rockwell had to say to understand further. I would never support Romney running with him, as I would never support Romney now.

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by xuenchen
Comparing Biden to Rand Paul is like apples and chestnuts.

More like comparing apples to a retarded apple.

Of course.

I forgot that Biden does have some qualifications !
(and he ain't no apple either !)

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus

My question is, as distasteful as it would be for Ron Paul supporters to not get their candidate into the Presidential Election, how strongly would they support a Mitt Romney/Rand Paul ticket?

It will never happen. First.. it'd be like night and day, they are ideological polar opposites. Second the GOP will find a black VP candidate, preferably a black female candidate for Romney to run with. Just like they found Palin from the nowhere to run in 2008 because they thought she'd get the white female vote. They forgot white females hate white females. So they will find a black female to help run against the black male president.. because that's what the GOP does.

But let's assume it is a Romney/Rand ticket.. yeah.. I'd probably vote for them. Only because I'm terrified of new taxes by Barry in his second term .. he totally screwed us in his first term, I can only imagine what will happen when he has "nothing to lose"...

Originally posted by circlemaker

Originally posted by jrod
Yep Cheney had no power as VP.

Except when Bush used Cheney's advice. I recall talk in those days suggesting Cheney was the mastermind. His company Halliburton sure made a killing on the war ("restructuring Iraq").

Also, VP is one of the best places to be in as a potential future president. (wasn't Bush Sr. Reagan's VP?) Personally I don't think Rand would VP for any of the status-quo pushers but it's interesting to think about.

I was being sarcastic

reply to post by Rockpuck


Using your suggestion I think I found the perfect VP candidate: Florida's Lieutenant Governor Jennifer Carrol and she is a Republican.

www.flgov.com...