Ghosts : Are They in Heaven, Hell or in a Parallel Dimension Waiting Room for Lost Souls ?

Originally posted by Ben81

Originally posted by Starchild23
This thread assumes that the Biblical heaven and hell exist...

Under this assumption, I have no answer, for I believe in neither.

If you wish to remove this assumption, then I might give you my thoughts.

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Heaven and Hell .. those are words invented by humans
they have many synonym and metaphore to these 2 very mysterious place
that now one really know about them .. until you are dead
some have recollected their passage after being revived in hospitals

Not beleiving in the afterlife will make you think you are powerless
that you worth nothing more then a rock that will live thousand of yrs

Wonder why there is so many insane people wanting to be so powerfull
so strong and mighty in their life time doing all kind of bad things
without having any kind of remorse except being scare to be caught
by not beleive in your soul .. you start to lose it and going down in all mather of speaking
but a few are strong enough and good enough
that even if they beleive in nothing .. at the end they go up

So my best advise i can give
Better be good in this small life time (relatively speaking)
then having to be ashame of your soul in hell

Let assume that the "chances" of hell existing for real in the afterlife is 0.000000000001%
if wouldnt take the "chances"

Hell or not .. better be good then ashame for eternity

This is a religious discussion?

I have nothing further to add. You can talk to sheep, but that doesn't mean they listen.

Originally posted by Ben81
reply to post by Urbanshadow

 

Thanks for sharing !!

Very interesting
how they look like .. are they transparent like a myst but you are able
to see very clear what are the ghost clothes ?

If some died with a physical injuries
can you actualy see the wound ?

You have an incredible gift
scary but you are able to literaly see a part of the underworld
hope you will never cross a demon spirit that will push you around in the house
and shake your bed

The thing is .. if you start speaking a lot to them
they will notice you and come to you very often to deliver their messages

how many different ghost you have see in your life ?
more then 10 more then a hundred ? and much much more ??

thanks

These are interesting questions coming from someone who believes in Heaven and Hell. If you are such a strong believer in these things, why would you even question ghosts? You should automatically assume they do not exist, as the Bible states.

Ahh good questions. My only problem though is what does "heaven" and "hell" have to do with religion. If some people claim to see the "light", then shouldn't others claim to see the "darkness". If you want to call it "heaven" and "hell" what's the difference. Same thing, different ways of saying it. Personally, I think "ghost" could be anywhere. What is the definition of "ghost" anyways?

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Religious ? .. not at all

do you refer to my faith in the Creator ?
whats wrong with people .. all scared of religious metaphore
i never go to church but i was raised catholic

Im not scared of any religion .. in a way they are all refering to the Creator

please stay on topic .. this is NOT a religious thread

Originally posted by Big Chief
Ahh good questions. My only problem though is what does "heaven" and "hell" have to do with religion. If some people claim to see the "light", then shouldn't others claim to see the "darkness". If you want to call it "heaven" and "hell" what's the difference. Same thing, different ways of saying it. Personally, I think "ghost" could be anywhere. What is the definition of "ghost" anyways?

I have accepted those metaphore
because i feel there is 3 completely different place the soul go when someone die
how many place do you believe ?

People are confusing human made religions with the soul
not the same thing

Originally posted by Ben81
reply to post by Starchild23

 

Religious ? .. not at all

do you refer to my faith in the Creator ?
whats wrong with people .. all scared of religious metaphore
i never go to church but i was raised catholic

Im not scared of any religion .. in a way they are all refering to the Creator

please stay on topic .. this is NOT a religious thread

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Heaven and Hell are not religious metaphors. If you have a different idea that you refer to, either make it clear that it is not synonymous with the Church's version, or call it something else.

Just to avoid misunderstandings.

Also, Heaven and Hell are usually religious concepts...especially in this day and age. You cannot use terms often attributed to church and religion, and then exclude religious assumptions from the discussion. It goes against social programming.

Ever since a Catholic teacher told my mother she was going to hell, and one of her best friends made her life a living hell for several years because of what the Catholic school taught, I kind of lost respect for the Catholic church. I won't take it out on you, though.

Originally posted by Starchild23

Originally posted by Ben81
reply to post by Starchild23

 

Religious ? .. not at all

do you refer to my faith in the Creator ?
whats wrong with people .. all scared of religious metaphore
i never go to church but i was raised catholic

Im not scared of any religion .. in a way they are all refering to the Creator

please stay on topic .. this is NOT a religious thread

edit on 2/29/2012 by Ben81 because: (no reason given)

Heaven and Hell are not religious metaphors. If you have a different idea that you refer to, either make it clear that it is not synonymous with the Church's version, or call it something else.

Just to avoid misunderstandings.

Also, Heaven and Hell are usually religious concepts...especially in this day and age. You cannot use terms often attributed to church and religion, and then exclude religious assumptions from the discussion. It goes against social programming.

Ever since a Catholic teacher told my mother she was going to hell, I kind of lost respect for the Catholic church. I won't take it out on you, though.

LOL thats understandle why you hate any religions
so many people exploit them for themself and to intimidate others

Ok ok i guess i will simplify the terms with

Hell --> the place where bad souls go ?
Heaven --> the place where good souls go ?

i dont have any other terms then that
if i was saying other dimensions ..
people would critic me even more then when i say Hell or Heaven
but i know both souls dont mix up in the afterlife

I dont really know those places .. but i highly suspect them to be real

So I was thinking about this the other day. There was some thread with far-out ideas that I checked out, but one of the interesting claims was that ghosts were the rest of glitches within the time+space continuum... in which past, present and future actually co-exist but we naturally only perceive the present.

So, what I pondered about was about experincing ghosts. For instance, the claim was that the ghosts that we see are actually people from either the past or future who somehow exist for a brief peroid in our present. So wouldn't this mean that we are ghosts to these "ghosts" in their present?

And to go further into this, is to consider the role of adaptive ghosts- ghosts that seem to be aware of the present, like poltergeists. What if they are someone in the past/future who actually know how to exploit glitches in time+space for their own perversion?

Obviously this is all theoretical stuff. I'm not exactly a metaphysicist or anything. There's definitely something beyond simple physical existence, however.

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No I dont see wounds and stuff, they seem to be semi transparent, but there enough so you can see what they are wearing etc. I havent seen very many, maybe about 10 I guess, at the most, and not for a long time.

I really wouldnt mind if they came again, and I would speak to them now, find out what they came for. From what I gather though, I think you have to sort of ask them in your mind, I dont think they speak out loud.

I've known a few were in the room before, but wouldnt open my eyes to look.

Someone once told me, I put them off, as it was like I had a big 'STOP' sign over my head, and that it was keeping them away because of my fear of them.

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Hey there Ben81 ... thanks for the invite to your thread ... this is a very interesting theory you put forward in your OP and gives food for thought ... if I had to tick one box I'd go for the 'waiting room' option ... a place between lifetimes where the soul has time to heal before coming back or ascending to become a guide/ascended master etc.

I believe the earthbound ghosts that people have in their homes or 'see' in a variety of locations are exactly that ... 'earthbound spirits' that have either chosen to stay here because they have unfinished business / message for the living ... or they have got stuck here and don't know how to move on ... or they had a sudden / traumatic death and don't realize they are even dead ... and then there is the final set ... the evil and the malevolent that enter through energy portals (often near / on leylines) with no other purpose but to cause mayhem / chaos in peoples lives for a variety of unsavoury reasons ... these malevolent entities take various forms but they are all from the same ancient source ... and that source is whatever you care to call it dependant on your beliefs or lack of.

Just my own opinion that I have formed whilst dealing with the paranormal throughout my life and particularly in the last few years during my paranormal investigations with W.I.S.P.S (Woodwytch Investigations of Supernatural & Paranormal Source) a small exclusive group that I set-up to help people understand and deal with their paranormal problems without all the BS that most groups feed them in order to dramatize the situations ... 9 times out of 10 there is a logical explanation to be found for what appears to be paranormal activity ... that's why it's best to take a softley softley approach in the first instance rather than go in with all metaphorical guns blazing.

Woody

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Thanks you for your reply Woody
this thread couldnt be complete without your answer on it

metaphorical guns blazing

Heaven and Hell are metaphores and good ones i should saw

What is your though on them ?
do you believe they exist but are completely different then the metaphores ?

People get scared only by the saying of those 2 very words

Originally posted by Ben81
reply to post by woodwytch

 

Thanks you for your reply Woody
this thread couldnt be complete without your answer on it

metaphorical guns blazing

Heaven and Hell are metaphores and good ones i should saw

What is your though on them ?
do you believe they exist but are completely different then the metaphores ?

People get scared only by the saying of those 2 very words

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Why thank-you kind sir ... blushes*

Heaven and Hell ... it's easier for me to tell you what I believe they are not ...

I do not believe Hell is a flaming pit of fiery brimstone any more than heaven is fluffy white clouds with harp playing cherubs sitting atop them ... I think it's all dimensional as in the physical dimention (us) and the spiritual dimension (them) ... and just like the living there are good and bad and total diversity ... it's all about light and shade and until we can acknowledge our own shadow side (everybody has one) we cannot begin to understand the spirit world.

In short I do not believe that Heaven and Hell are places ... they are states of mind. (just my opinion)

Woody

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Dear List,

I do have information right from some pretty good authority on the subject of souls that have passed but have not gone beyond earthly limits. Here is a short primer.

If I may?

The actual conditions in which souls have passed are so varied on this planet that it takes some time for individuals to decide what it is they want to do. Some do not even know they have died since they are conscious and have retained full memory of their lives and their relationships.

Most individuals, upon dying, are immediately drawn to the curiosity they feel about the positioning of a distant white light usually seen off the left side of their form and placed about a 45 degree angle (about the 10'oclock) above the horizon they can view. They do see us but rather distantly. Their visual sense is attuned to the next order of energy and because of that we are somewhat indistinct to them.

It is noteworthy that there are a number of souls who never notice the light. There are those who do speculate but do nothing about it. Often souls gather close to one another for support and it can be claimed that there are times when these groups of souls form a tolerance for the light but make no motion toward it. On rare occasions, whole groups of souls will decide to divide themselves into smaller groups and form lines toward the light and hold onto each other much as a chain of links form an unbroken alignment.

There is no such thing as a formal place that souls go to after death if they remain earth bound. There is no hell; there is no purgatory; there is no formal placement of any such thing, but many souls suffer and become so hard pressed by their indecision to resolve their condition that they fall ill. This is not a physical illness, but a spiritual depression caused by the inability to move toward any means of escape. This can only engender compassion for their plight once understood.

Interestingly, these souls seek human companionship. The ones who suffer and who need help in decision making often seek out individuals who still live, and find ways to communicate with them on semi-spiritual levels. In the old days (before 1985) misbehavior did occur in these groups, and some souls thought it to be sporting to scare the day lights out unsuspecting mortals by allowing themselves to be transported above the human and rush down to disturb the air. Consequently, there are many stories about feeling the air rushing around faces and in the room while nothing is seen. Coolness is the result of an energy transfer between the object being appraised and the human who is in close proximity. Emotional heaviness or even of fear can be transferred from the lost soul to the human, but that takes some mind skill by the soul to affect the phenomena.

Our spiritual administrators have decreed this may no longer be permitted as our planet has undergone a judicial review and a decision announced to remove these souls which have been trapped for various reasons, but in particular, removal of souls by force if necessary pending their decision to seek help located within the perimeter of the light placed nearby.

For those of you who may be interested, our planet has a layered band surrounding it of non-material energy divided into three distinct layers in which three different phenomena may occur.

I will define these three levels briefly for all of you to complete these remarks.

The soul is composed of a combination of material and spiritual energy. It exists from about seven years of age on this planet and comes about by spiritual contact within a mind of clean habits and the capacity to recognize right from wrong at least on some level. During the mortal life, the soul grows and becomes instructable. It can learn and often is in the care of an angelic group called the Transition Ministers. Those who receive transition ministers never have a problem going beyond the earth plane. Those who never receive these angels are the ones who frequently become trapped.

The first of three layers is called the “etheric”. It’s level exists a little above the actual surface of the planet, only a few feet actually, and extends up to four miles above the surface of the planet. This is the level most confused or lost souls become trapped in and where the light is placed to attract their attention.

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Part II of 2 Parts

The first of three layers is called the “etheric”. It’s level exists a little above the actual surface of the planet, only a few feet actually, and extends up to four miles above the surface of the planet. This is the level most confused or lost souls become trapped in and where the light is placed to attract their attention.

There then appears an empty zone around 4 miles above the surface. The empty zone is about 5 miles wide and girdles the globe. About midway between the border with the etheric zone and before the last zone is an energy belt composed of morontia energy. This is the energy I spoke to that also composes the soul form which is a combination of material energy and spiritual energy and intervenes between true spirit and material man. Our spiritual administrators call this mid zone of energy, the “Grid”. It operates to perform all mindal functions below the level of man and is used primarily for the higher animals. Man uses this grid to help with mind organization and is dependent on its energy to propel thoughts out into the world (includes telepathy) and even out into space if such thoughts receive the grid energy to do so.

Before 1985, the grid was corrupted and had to be taken down (2011) without harming the mind set on our planet. It is now (from Dec 2011) operating efficiently and is responsible for the training of individuals on this planet for out-of-body experiences and many other types of psychometric phenomena so poorly understood on earth.

Layer three is a real problem yet. It exists about fifteen miles above the surface of the planet. It is called the “borderland” and is the residence of egregores. Thought forms on our planet which created great fear and evil are deposited here for eventual dissolution, but they must be very carefully handled because they are a form of energy which can transmit itself! These are egregores.

Egregores are mass consciousness thoughts which millions of people buy into but have no reality in fact. A harmless egregore is the belief in Santa Claus. Evil egregores exist in such potency within this level, that they must be quarantined and handled by highly trained experts on the spiritual levels for removal. This is an area of human social debris. No soul is trapped in the borderland. But souls could be contaminated by the egregores, just as man can be so contaminated by them, that no one can prevent their effects to drive normal humans into psychopathic behavior.

The borderland ends where space begins around our planet.

Normally our minds are protected from these intrusions, but for those who actually invite their presence, they can and do enter such minds such is their strength.

So-called ghost presences are usually the harmless doings of the trapped or lost souls in the etheric. Most lost souls do not even bother man at all, and the great level of consciousness that oversees this planet makes available the plans and the ministry to remove them shortly.

I hope this little primer is of use to all of you. Thank you.

Originally posted by Ben81

Originally posted by Big Chief
Ahh good questions. My only problem though is what does "heaven" and "hell" have to do with religion. If some people claim to see the "light", then shouldn't others claim to see the "darkness". If you want to call it "heaven" and "hell" what's the difference. Same thing, different ways of saying it. Personally, I think "ghost" could be anywhere. What is the definition of "ghost" anyways?

I have accepted those metaphore
because i feel there is 3 completely different place the soul go when someone die
how many place do you believe ?

People are confusing human made religions with the soul
not the same thing

Hmm, I believe in alot of different scenarios. Alot of people like to believe that they have the definite answers to what happens on the other side but I believe that there are so many possibilities that can happen to spirits on the other side that I don't believe everything is known to man. I believe in a place of light (heaven) where good souls pass on and go. I believe in a neutral zone like "limbo or earth" where a soul is still on this earthly plane until they are ready to move on. I don't believe that spirits are stuck on earth or limbo though. I believe many of them are here because they want to be here and are not ready to move on. I believe others are here because they may not be allowed to go the light (heaven) until they let go of their earthly materialism. I believe those spirits on earth are basically here for a reason and not because they are "stuck" here. I also believe in a place of darkness (hell) where evil people would go which is opposite of the place of light. I don't know how people can accept a place of light (heaven) and deny a place of darkness (hell). It makes perfect sense in my book unless you believe evil and good are in one big place but that would be pure chaos. Hell is not even a Christian concept. Many ancients believed in an underworld (hell) way before Christianity.

Anyways, I also believe in re-incarnation. Maybe some people died before their time and they may be re-incarnated back to earth a 2nd time. That's where peoples past lives may come in. I don't believe everyone gets automatically re-incarnated though but I believe some do. I also believe in some people being in their own "hells" until they can overcome their problems and move on into the light. I also believe there can be many more possibilities that we don't know about. I believe the possibilities could be limitless..

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If we take the concept of heaven and hell in account, I would say that right now we must be residing in hell, waiting to get out some how, only to be reborn again and again into this realm.

If we don't take heaven and hell into account, I would say that some return and some do not, some wait and some move on.

If you take into account all the evilness in the world, then I would bet that we're in the lowest realm (hell) at the moment.

The concept of heaven and hell is an obstacle in the search for truth, because I believe in life after life, without that concept, or maybe I do, but if hell exists, we're all residents.

At the age of nineteen I experienced a very short visit to what we call "The Other Side", before being brought back by the emergency room surgeons. Even though my stay was short, I did learn a couple of things while there. It was absolutely beautiful and some day I would return. I also learned that there is a Creator who loves every one of his creations, and that the Heaven and Hell of the Bible are all about controlling humanity on Earth, through the use of the fear of death.
Our Creator is not to be feared!

Originally posted by Ben81
Ghosts : Are They in Heaven, Hell or in a Parallel Dimension Waiting Room for Lost Souls

Ghosts are another name for giants, nephil spirits, jinn, negative entities, the rephaim, demons and the eternally dead.

Prior to Jesus Christ, all spirits would enter a paradise while awaiting Judgement Day.
After Jesus Christ was killed all good spirits exist in his company. All bad spirits exist in a sort of miserable version of this world.

The post by

Originally posted by CaptainNemo
There are 2 divisions in the spiritual realm, human spirits and non-human spirits

In the Bible the word for Demon is called Rephaim. They are the spirits of the Nephillim giants and their descendants.

is very close and I can personally vouch for CaptainNemo's info.
Taking Nemo's info further, the non-human spirits (angel/human hybrids) reside in Tartarus. This is an extremely depressing place where the sky is black, the land is dusty, desolate and grey.

Ghosts live in an invisible fridge because you always feel cold when they open the door to come out.

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Very neat theory and star for you.
There are times when the ghost and the person seeing it, both see each other and then bang,,its gone when that happens.(maybe the time sync corrected itself)?

But note.
I would then be a ghost from the future to him/her?
Have there been any cases of people seeing ghost from the future?
Only way to know I guess would be there clothing attire?

Some ghost are like a recording,same clothing and do the same thing over and over again.
Yet others do random things and (float?) around all over.
Some pretty cool ghost documentaries on Youtube also.

M