Obama To Cut Healthcare Benefits For Active Duty And Retired US Military

reply to post by SJE98


You know the hidden reason behind this crapping on retirees and veterans of wars, right?, because the two wars in the gulf were nothing but big interest pay off, our soldiers casualties none related to death but mostly injuries has put a big dent on the defense budget that the biggest portion goes to private interest

This is no no for profiteers that promoted the wars, their profits comes first, soldiers are just the collateral damage.

But thanks to technologies deaths are not high but injuries related to war are big, this means more soldiers coming back with long term injuries that will required medical care and drugs for life.

While this is a wet dream come true for big pharma, no so for insurance companies and the government benefits for retirees and active duty.

So now they want to pass the burden onto the families and let the insurance companies dictate how much this long term care is going be paid and who is going to pay for it.

So if they can come after your retirement to pay for health care and any entitlement in this matter they will.

And is going to be mandated, no options out or opt out.

But in a nation that is falling in financial decay from the stand point of the hard worker tax payer but not for the ones on the top the that are the ones with the power to create wars and send your loves one to become life time cows for big pharma and insurance companies by mandate this one is going to be a hard pill to swallow.

Soldiers will comeback with not jobs to find and many with already injuries that will be longer term.

I think that our government is in deep crap and falling apart from within, if they can not afford to take care of their wounded veterans and retirees, the same way that the government has targeted the elderly and Medicare.

Another sign of a falling nation.

Right now one of the facilities that my husband gets treatment from under tricare has give us a letter telling us that if Obama target hist hits the spot they will have to drop tricare and medicare.

They want us to agree with Obama passing the tab of cost to the recipients, increadible.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This comes as no surprise to me, but I'm quite disappointed nonetheless. We have a history of screwing over veterans post-war in this country. Just look at the vets from Vietnam and the first Gulf war. During war, the government and media hype up the "support the troops" slogan almost daily, and then simply forget about them wen the war's finished.

It's really quite disheartening

reply to post by CaptainIraq


Very true, sadly people in American thanks to the corporate run media have short term memories and all that hype of promoting the acceptance of wars and government full support of our troops will be forgotten until another war for the profiteers comes around.

reply to post by sad_eyed_lady



I am not calling anyone in this thread stupid, but I feel like I am watching a bunch of Pakleds standing outside complaining they are wet because they cannot figure out that it is raining.

Sometimes I feel as if the curse of Casandra runs through my veins but I digress.

The simple fact is:

Our current system is broken and is going to become more and more broken. All due to technological advances.
Another thing you have to realize is that TPTB are a bunch of geriatrics with one foot in the grave. But like most people nearing deaths doors they worry about the world they will leave behind. You see, our current economic system is a system that will inevitable lead to self extinction. As technological break through happen they tend to reduce the amount of jobs available. Add in technology like 3D printing and you could have an economic apocalypse. And the solution in such a situation with out current economic system is= population reduction.

That in of itself creates a whole host of problems. Sure it may seem tempting to want to get rid of the excess population, but if the population base is too small and a major disaster happens= extinct species.



So they are looking to settle scores quickly and ram through their wet dream as the solution: A fascist revolution. Basically they are trying to make everyone so fed up and sick of all the BS that we will welcome a Fascist revolution. For example: In the GOP Ron Paul is the end all be all. But by rigging the elections they tick off all his supporters(who won't support anyone else). They are intentionally trying to egg everyone on. But not too much too fast. They don't want a revolution, but they do want to create the social energies that would be fertile for a revolution; so they can raise up their fascist revolution. And one key element of a fascist revolution is the militaristic element.

The only way to make sure that element is present(or you end up with a dysfunctional Socialist dictatorship) is to make sure veterans will rally to the movement and that current service members won't oppose it. Obama's role is the role of Loki. He is going to incrementally tick us off more and more.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by TinkerHaus

 

You called it the worst type of socialism, because it only goes to a priveleged group. Well, you're half right.

It does go to a priveleged group, but it is a reward for servce to the country. Many injuries and health issues are as a result of their participation in their duties to the military.
It's not healthcare, so much as it is workman's comp for the milirtary.

As for socialism? No. Because if it were socialism, anyone could join the military, anyone could do a crappy or great job, get out whenever they felt like it and get the same benefits as those who work hard.

@ Tinkerhaus
not only is Beezzer exactly correct about the imbalance of contributions regarding socialism, what EVERYONE seems to be forgetting is that voluntary participation in the military requires a contract.

Now, my question for everyone who thinks our servicemen deserve LESS than their contracted provisions is ... since you were willing to accept the bailed-out CEOs who took their bonuses because it was contracted and they did it with YOUR money and probably without YOUR personal consent, yet, you seriously want to willingly sacrifice the contracted benefits of those willing to put themselves, their lives and their futures on the line for your freedom?

socialism is a far cry from contract negotiations.

@ Beezzer
Tinkerhaus isn't even half right.
contracted benefits are just that, contracted.
if the unions can, the military can. if the government can, the military can.
if the private citizenry can, the military can.
this isn't anything related to socialistic principles.
reneging on a contract has consequences, just as the CEOs voiced oh so vigorously.

and try to remember that this "privileged" group, volunteered.

i would also have to disagree with your Workman's Comp analogy as TriCare is FAMILY coverage and workman's comp doesn't cover family medical issues.

on a personal note ... i think they should be reverted to the same Obamacare plan as everyone else, not eased into it over several years.
however, i don't agree with Obamacare and believe as long as it is Constitutionally challenged it's no time to consider contractual negotiations.

reply to post by SJE98

When the Commander and chief was elected, within two month he made this statement “ I also want disabled vets to pay for health insurance”

Obama never said that. That is a straight up lie.

There is a gross amount of lying and misrepresentation in this thread about Obama and especially to cover up exactly which party is really cutting benefits to veterans.

The hike in co-payments for Tricare was led by John McCain and senate republicans who held up the defense budget until they got a compromise . McCain also raised the eligibility age and wanted to remove some Vets from the program all together - as did Michelle Bachmann and Paul Ryan.

At the opposite end, Obama wanted to increase Vets assistance as well as led the VOW act, or Veterans job assistance program.

Republicans are behind the cuts in Veterans care. That is a plain fact.

CNjonline.com:
Cuts to TRICARE Prime proposed

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., has advised the 12-member Joint Select Committee on Debt Reduction to consider ending access to TRICARE Prime, the military’s popular managed care option, for working-age retirees and their families, to avoid spending cuts that would directly impact readiness.

Disabledveterans.org:
Republicans Seek To Cut 1.3 Million Vets

Remember Michele Bachmanns’s attempted $4 billion cut from disabled veterans compensation? Well, “they’re ba-ack…” Except this time they are looking to cut away at our VA healthcare.

Republican Paul Ryan and the House of Representatives are looking to end VA healthcare for over 1.3 million veterans who are Priority 7 & 8.

NavyTimes.com:
McCain eyes barring retirees from Tricare Prime

The congressional panel tasked with making deficit-reduction decisions is facing sharply conflicting views on whether military retirement and health benefits should be put on the chopping block.

In the mix is a radical proposal from Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., that would have potentially far-reaching effects on the health care of retirees and active-duty family members. McCain, ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, has proposed barring military retirees from signing up for Tricare Prime, the least expensive Tricare option available to them.

MilitaryTimes.com:
Could Retirees be Forced Off TRICARE Prime? McCain says YES!

VAbenefitblog.com:
Tricare Prime Under Fire

A proposal from Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., could potentially make it more difficult for retirees and active-duty family members to get healthcare. McCain has proposed barring military retirees from signing up for Tricare Prime, the least expensive Tricare option available to them. Tasked with making deficit-reduction decisions, the Senate Armed Services Committee will take a close look at veteran benefits.

Top GOP senator open to changes in military health

Disabledveterans.org
Republican's War on Veterans Benefits Continues

Now, the House of Representatives has decided to propose cuts to Veteran healthcare benefits while supporting a third war in a country most of us could not even find on a map two months ago (if the proposed cuts went through). Don’t believe the headlines. These cuts are just an attempt to split the oyster shell in half to steal the pearl. Once 1.3 million bodies get cut out of the VA system, politicians will have an easier time justifying further cuts to VA programs. Suddenly, the comprehensive health care you once received will be reduced to occasional physicals and virtual appointments via computer. Count on it. And don’t think the politicians will stop until they gut the whole system. Many of them call benefits like Social Security and VA Disability “Entitlements.” Rather, VA healthcare is really just a cost of doing business. You break it; you buy it.

So enough with all the faux outrage at Obama, this was the work of the Super Committee with the harshest proposals coming from the Republicans.

"Conservatives" wanted the cuts - this is what they got.

Got a problem with it (like so many of you in this thread do) then take it up with the Republicans and Grover Norquist.

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


That is nice and all, but.............................
BUT................................................................
It still doesn't take away from the fact that 0bama is wanting the same as the Republicans you stated.

SO.......................................................
As per the OP, it still stands true.

Just, add that the Republicans mentioned proposed these things in the past.

reply to post by macman


So Republicans hijack the budget process, refuse to pass any budget unless they get their cuts, even derail the process so badly the country loses it's AAA status, then when they do get their cuts, the right-wing media circus begins the "blame it all on Obama" game.

And aren't you one of those demanding cuts to "entitlement programs"? Well, here you go. You got exactly what you wanted. Be sure to send a thank you letter to John McCain and Grover Norquist.

The defense budget cuts to Tricare came straight from the Republicans. But because it's the defense budget their plan to shift all blame to Obama will stick, since he has no choice but to sign it.

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


I never said I was not mad with the Republicans.
Further more, I said a cut to general entitlement programs, like Welfare and SS.

The retirement for Military RETIRED members was a contracted agreement, and is not an entitlement program.
Neither is Medical Care for Vets with Service Connected Disabilities.

Sorry, but comparing that to Welfare is about the biggest stretch I have ever read.

The retirement is worked for, and is set up like the Federal Employees Retirement Program.

Welfare is a true entitlement program.

Nice try again.


But, back on topic............
0bama still wants these cuts.

Also, funny is the notion that the Republicans, that hold only 1/3 of the power, are held up as the great opposing force.

Basic Jethro Bodine math still shows that 2 is greater then 1.

You do know how checks and balances work, right? GOP controls the House and hold a slim minority in the Senate. They've used this power to block bills and force bills on the floor. Please don't tell me you're going to rely on that juvenile argument "Oh he's the president, he can get anything he wants". No, he can't, and the recent obstructionist Congress is proof of that.

there is no doubt that the convenience of America has been taken away. Greed has done that. Out sourcing has stolen away America's jobs.
Left people Jaded.
Left people some how looking for Anti Colonialism to save them.
Pride in America is gone.
We have reverted back to a nation which once called its soldiers Baby Killers.

If you lost your Moral Compass... Get it Back

Look at what some of you are saying.

24yr old goes to a foreign land under orders of the President. His life is the tool of means to an end.
Same President which gave $535million to a company who stuffed the money in its pockets turned off the lights and filed Bankruptcy, wants to CUT 24yr olds family from healthcare while 24yr old is getting shot to SHYte!!!

Adjust the moral compass and stand up for what you once believed was true...

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


No, I do understand Checks and Balances (Or, lack of in the current Govt) and do realize 0bama just can't push it through.
Or, wait, seems that he has pushed other things through, via Govt Agencies and such.
But.....................................................................

0bama still wants these cuts.
I do like what your right hand is doing. Very pretty, with the flashing colors and all.

I am going to continue to pay attention to what the left hand is doing as well.



0bama still wants these cuts.

I think that this is utterly shameful

But I do not feel sorry for those veterans on here who have screamed cut! cut! cut! and now risk to have the same done to them.

This is what some of you wanted, no? Good for you. Don't bitch and complain either, otherwise I'll call you an entitled lazy drug addict

To those who did not want to see the rug pulled out from underneath the feet of Americans, i stand with you in your anger over the country screwing you.

Let this be a lesson to those who are thinking about enlisting: You are not fighting for your people, but only the profit margins of traitors and foreign interests.

Originally posted by illuminatislave

But I do not feel sorry for those veterans on here who have screamed cut! cut! cut! and now risk to have the same done to them.

No current Military Member nor Vet wants your "sorry".

Originally posted by illuminatislave
This is what some of you wanted, no? Good for you.

Nope, cuts to ENTITLEMENT programs.
Military RETIREMENT is just that, R-E-T-I-R-E-M-E-N-T.
Not that hard to distinguish between the 2.

Originally posted by illuminatislave
Don't bitch and complain either, otherwise I'll call you an entitled lazy drug addict

Oh, here we go.
Now that is a joke of a comment.

Originally posted by illuminatislave
To those who did not want to see the rug pulled out from underneath the feet of Americans, i stand with you in your anger over the country screwing you.

Being told that your Welfare is running out is not the Govt screwing you.
Being told that the RETIREMENT you WORKED for and both parties agreed to is the Govt Screwing people.

Originally posted by illuminatislave
Let this be a lesson to those who are thinking about enlisting: You are not fighting for your people, but only the profit margins of traitors and foreign interests.

I do agree to an extent.

I'll go on a limb and say that many of the people who bashed Obama for being "socialist" are bashing him now for being "unsocialist". Whatever floats your boat, but it seems a little schizophrenic to me.

reply to post by buddhasystem


I always said that the "socialist" tag was nothing but an agenda, he is and have proving to be a corporate whore.

I have to agree with the poster before you, My husband is a retire marine so he get retirement benefits, just like anybody that retires with the specific years from a private company.

Still tricare benefits are not free, we pay insurance just like anybody else that have a health care insurance and pay deductibles just like they do.

But what retirees were promised was that our tricare benefits will stay the same under Obama care now it seems that Obama care is proving to be nothing but the biggest lie and hoax the nation will ever face, but then again can you expect anything else from a corporate whore.

reply to post by marg6043


I'm in a similar predicament, working for a govt contractor.

Our co-pay for medical coverage growth faster than the salary increases can possibly cover, so I'm making less money every year, effectively.

reply to post by buddhasystem


And get ready because once the mandate is enforced is going to become unbearable to work and pay for mandated health care, because insurance companies will have the government Police enforcing patrol to make sure you pay your dues.

Lets hope that the supreme court will do what is right and side with the Constitution.

reply to post by marg6043


Thing is, universal health care would be better than what we had before and what we may have under obama's plan. But it won't fly.

reply to post by buddhasystem


No, no in the state of the nation right now, that is rule by a corporate dictatorship, big pharma and the big insurance company will never let that pass.