The attack on IRAN could well be in the next 2 weeks

The UK will no doubt be a major player in any attack on Iran. Prince William's unit is currently on a 6 week assignment in the Falklands. I have thought it to be a bit strange that he was called up so soon after his marriage. The tour ends in about 2 weeks. Had his unit not been sent to the Falklands they surely would have been prime candidates to serve in Iran. What are the chances they were sent there so as to be unavailable where the action starts with Iran. It would be all but over by the time they return.

The UK is to scared to do anything unless the US acts first much like the rest of the world. They all want something to be done, but dont want to be the first to do it. They wait for the US to strike first then they jump in after and when the dust settles they then bash America.

Iran is a joke and could easy be demolished by the US alone. You really think a country that stones people for their beliefs can defeat the US military? They throwing stones while the US has advanced drones, and is developing invisible camoflauge. Does any sane person really believe Iran stands a chance?...

The global rhetoric is definitely expanding.. it's pretty clear Russia does NOT want the US attacking Iran

Source: Link

Iran nuclear threat: Vladimir Putin warns West not to meddle

MOSCOW:Vladimir Putin said Russia was alarmed by the "growing threat" of an attack on Iran over its nuclear programme and warned that the consequences would be "truly catastrophic"

Originally posted by SharpKnife
The UK is to scared to do anything unless the US acts first much like the rest of the world.

Considering Russia ( Putin ) just warned us to stay out of it, saying the consequences would be catastrophic.. I'd say that isn't exactly a true statement, China has also made warnings to the west in the past regarding this issue.. some don't want us meddling.

This is becoming old hat but let state once again


There will be no overt war with Iran from the US.

Obama is trying to be re-elected here, right after a huge morale boost from bringing home the soldiers from Iraq.
he will not enter into anther drawn out ground operation while in election mode.

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The US start something? Horrors! IMO it will start with a false flag attack on us, probably on a ship in the mideast. Then 'coalition' forces will respond

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I really wish I could agree with you but in my opinion Obama does not run the show. His not responding to a false flag attack is the surest way to not get re-elected.

If the top-brass of America just MUST see a war with Iran, all they have to do is [color=gold]wait long enough and Israel will end up going about it themselves being that they are so OBSESSED with war and are just ITCHING to start it up.

Of course Israel will only attempt it thinking that Mommy-America will jump in when they are getting their azzes beat, but then [color=gold]America needs only to respond with a giant middle finger to them and just wait for the dust to clear in the middle-east, and then once everything is LEVELED in the ENTIRE region, there will FINALLY BE... PEACE ON EARTH!!!!

THATS what the top-brass need to decide to do. [color=gold]No U.S. tax dollars WASTED, no additional adding to the U.S. DEBT, no hard-feelings or war with Russia and/or China, no World War 3, and finally... PEACE in the world!!!!!!

[color=dodgerblue]That IS the PERFECT PLAN!!!

Originally posted by oghamxx
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I really wish I could agree with you but in my opinion Obama does not run the show. His not responding to a false flag attack is the surest way to not get re-elected.

If there was going to be a war with Iran, we would nt have seen the forces re-deployed back home, just re-purposed and turned eastward.

The amount of resources used and the time and money spent to bring our boys back home wojuld have instead been used for re-purposing the mission eastward.

Dont get me wrong here, i'm a hawk and have been at times been called a warmonger, nothing i would like to see more than Ahmedinejad removed from power by the hands of the US, but i'm araid that is not gonna happen anytime soon.

Far more likely that covert CIA operations remove him under the guise of a coup-d'etat.

Originally posted by SharpKnife
Iran is a joke and could easy be demolished by the US alone.

Iran is not a super power but it is far from a joke. Look how long we have been in Iraq and Afgahnistan fighting tribal insurgents and Afgahnistan has no where near the military that Iran has, no Navy or Airforce. Same with Iraq, we decimated their military in a matter of days in Desert Storm and then pretty much let them be until Operation Iraqi Freedom in '03. From '03 through '10 there were over 500 Operations that took place in Iraq alone just to try and maintain control of the country and sweep out the remaining insurgents.

As of 2012 Iran had an active military of just under 550,000 troops with almost 650,000 reserves. They have over 1,700 tanks, over 1,500 towed artillary, 1,500 APC's, 800 self propelled guns, over 1,700 AA weapons, over 1,400 AT weapons, and over 12,000 logistics vehicles and over 5,000 mortars.

They also have over 1,000 aircraft and 350 helo's with over 300 operational military ready airports. Thier Navy consists of over 230 ships of which 19 are subs, and 5 are frigates and 3 are destroyers. They also have 74 merchant marine vessels.

Iran ranks #5 of the worlds largest submarine fleet behind the U.S., China, Russia, and N. Korea And ranks #12 in military might according to global firepower and that's not even counting the anti-ship missles and scud missles along with other STS missles we are unaware of.

Iran is not going to be a walk in the park for our military, and you also have to take into consideration their alliances with Russia and China. Russia invested 1 billion dollars into the Iranian nuclear site and you can bet your ass that's why Putin is issuing the warnings he has been issuing lately.

So your assesment of Iran being a joke is way off. Hell when I was in the Navy 10 years ago we were well aware of the firepower and abilities of Iran, they have only grown stronger since then.

Originally posted by Nucleardiver

I disagree with your statement respectfully, and hesitantly...

you said:

Iran is not a super power but it is far from a joke. Look how long we have been in Iraq and Afgahnistan fighting tribal insurgents and Afgahnistan has no where near the military that Iran has, no Navy or Airforce. Same with Iraq, we decimated their military in a matter of days in Desert Storm and then pretty much let them be until Operation Iraqi Freedom in '03. From '03 through '10 there were over 500 Operations that took place in Iraq alone just to try and maintain control of the country and sweep out the remaining insurgents.

What we see here are conventional forces fighting conventional forces and the US coming out victorious by no small margin. That is what they have trained for and what they have experienced. You go on to explain the depth of Iran's conventional forces....

As of 2012 Iran had an active military of just under 550,000 troops with almost 650,000 reserves. They have over 1,700 tanks, over 1,500 towed artillary, 1,500 APC's, over 1,700 AA weapons, over 1,400 AT weapons, and over 12,000 logistics vehicles and over 5,000 mortars.

They also have over 1,000 aircraft and 350 helo's with over 300 operational military ready airports. Thier Navy consists of over 230 ships of which 19 are subs, and 5 are frigates and 3 are destroyers. They also have 74 merchant marine vessels.

The conventional warfare will not be what causes anyone problems, but the unconventional warfare s has been proven true through out all of military history. Its called unconventional because it goes against convention. Even door to dor urban warfare has become convention now.

So your assesment of Iran being a joke is way off. Hell when I was in the Navy 10 years ago we were well aware of the firepower and abilities of Iran, they have only grown stronger since then.

Correct no sort of warfare should ever been considered a joke, because it takes a certain breed of man to undertake the task.

Thank you for your service my friend.

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I think this was a personal message sent to the Falklands by the Prince and the UK..nothing more and I think this guy is the type to go to Iran...he may not be in the thick of it but I can't see him bowing out because he's the prince...that would look horrible for him...

Possible - Beware the Ides of March...
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Originally posted by SharpKnife
The UK is to scared to do anything unless the US acts first much like the rest of the world. They all want something to be done, but dont want to be the first to do it. They wait for the US to strike first then they jump in after and when the dust settles they then bash America.

Iran is a joke and could easy be demolished by the US alone. You really think a country that stones people for their beliefs can defeat the US military? They throwing stones while the US has advanced drones, and is developing invisible camoflauge. Does any sane person really believe Iran stands a chance?...

america was by no standards first in libya, france and italy were the main proponents to invading libya
america deliberately waited for others to act on it first to not continually seen as the only actor in the world

it isnt about iran defeating the US tho Iran has drones of its own now
the real worry is its alliance system with russia and china

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I would never question William's courage nor his commitment to duty but nor would I care to be the officer who sent his unit to Iran where he perished. He is 'only' 2nd in line for the throne and I doubt Charles would ever accept the throne, making William first in line. His unit is sea rescue from copters so IMO their need would only be the first few days of any conflict.

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I respectfully disagree, even from a conventional warfare scenario the US is facing big obsticles in this one and I am not saying this because I have no faith or respect for the US Military. I am saying this as a 15 yr veteran of NSW under JSOC and Ive been in the thick of it several times. It's all about logistics and alliances. We just had Ali Akbar Velayati come out publicly and say that Iran, Iraq, and Hezbollah as well as Russia and China are siding with Syria. Pakistan has also signed on to protect Iran in the event of a western attack so that changes the logistical ability of where we would park our carrier strike group. If we put them in the Med or Arabian then we will be faced with inflight refueling not to mention if they are in the Med then we will be flying directly over Syrian and Lebonese airspace which could prove to not be good. And in the Arabian we may have Pakistan to deal with.

As far as unconventional warfae goes, well if it reached that point it would be Iran, Syria, Lebanon, the Palistinian state, or one of the many factions that would go that route. There are thousands of rounds of Sarin and Sulfer Mustard Gas artillary rounds missing from Iraq plus Bio agents and who knows where they ended up as Iraq was collapsing. There is also the possibility of nukes being used on their part, not tactical or thermonuclear but dirty nukes, and they do just as much damage just over a longer period of time.

Either way it will not be an easy fight for an already spread thin and war tired US military.

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They wait for the US to strike first then they jump in after and when the dust settles they then bash America.

That pretty much sums up the last 20 years worth of wars we've had. The UN whines to NATO about people dying and everyone looks at the U.S. who happens to be the hugest player in NATO, to do something about it. Then they all kick back and relax and let us do all the work while they sit on their lazy asses and drink chardoney while they biteback us and criticize us. We lose thousands in those wars, and "they" lose a half dozen and theyre ready to turn tail and run.

If theyre not part of the solution, then theyre part of the problem. They need to just get out of the way and stop running their mouths. Contribute or shut up.

You know they'll find a way. Money and power over lives and freedoms, all in the name of Democracy...a sad joke.

Originally posted by oghamxx
The attack on IRAN could well be in the next 2 weeks

If you're referring to some kind of declaration of war, don't be silly. The attacks on Iran have been underway for years in the form of the Stuxnet virus, assassination of various Iranian scientists & other covert actions. I'm surprised so many people on ATS seem to be unaware of this and keep posting threads about some military action they keep expecting to happen, no, it will not happen. The political climate is such that no one would be willing to risk the political backlash from a blatant military attack. Covert attacks accomplish better results with no backlash and they will no doubt continue.

Originally posted by SharpKnife

Iran is a joke and could easy be demolished by the US alone.

demolish, ya. if the fly thousands of sorties and launch hundreds upon hundreds of cruise missiles.

but invade, conquer and occupy iran won't be so easy.