Antigravity, not that hard!

Originally posted by Fromabove
If you drop a neodymium magnet into a copper pipe, and a marble into another of the same size, weight, and shape, the one having the magnet will travel slower through the pipe. The marble will zip right through it. What we see here is the same effect. It is not anti gravity but electromagnetic braking. The Earth exerts an electromagnet field, which is not gravity. This field, when opposed will attempt to repel an on coming similar force,( + to +) or (- to -). Because this effect it still important, it is one step closer to actually "overcoming" the gravity effect with electromagnetism. But it is not anti gravity, it is opposing electromagnetism against the earth's electromagnetic field.

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I don’t agree, according to your thinking a magnet dropped with its south end down at the south pole of the earth would fall slower (like poles repel ) According to your thinking a magnet dropped with its north pole facing down at the south pole of the earth would fall faster because opposites attract.

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Boyd Bushman was a senior research scientist at the Lockheed Martin Skunk Works and therefore can assure you he is no fool.

We don’t know for sure if Boyd dropped them by hand or not, he just said he dropped them. He paid $5000 each for these magnets so they must have been massive!

I believe we will find in time that the results are real and not due to human psychology.
en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by LUXUS

Originally posted by Fromabove
If you drop a neodymium magnet into a copper pipe, and a marble into another of the same size, weight, and shape, the one having the magnet will travel slower through the pipe. The marble will zip right through it. What we see here is the same effect. It is not anti gravity but electromagnetic braking. The Earth exerts an electromagnet field, which is not gravity. This field, when opposed will attempt to repel an on coming similar force,( + to +) or (- to -). Because this effect it still important, it is one step closer to actually "overcoming" the gravity effect with electromagnetism. But it is not anti gravity, it is opposing electromagnetism against the earth's electromagnetic field.

edit on 27-2-2012 by Fromabove because: (no reason given)

I don’t agree, according to your thinking a magnet dropped with its south end down at the south pole of the earth would fall slower (like poles repel ) According to your thinking a magnet dropped with its north pole facing down at the south pole of the earth would fall faster because opposites attract.

Yes, this is true. I guess I should have explained that using the copper tube or pipe as a collector of eddy currents so as to slow the motion would have been better. The magnets would have to be aligned as in the experiment that was shown in order to use the earth's magnetic field either to slow or speed up the motion. As seen in the video, when he reversed the polarity it actually sped up rather than slowed down.

In the copper pipe, the field in the magnet produces a counter field of resistance in the pipe. The same goes for atmosphere. The magnets, when properly aligned will meet electromagnetic resistance from the generated field of the earth. I am still not sure if I'm explaining what I am intending to say the right way, but I hope I was able to do so. In the end, gravity has nothing to do with what happened in the experiment. Without the earths electromagnetic engine at work, the magnets would have fell to earth at the same time as the rock.

In another experiment using copper coils induced with electricity, the coil floats as if weightless above the ground, or surface area. gravity is still in force, but the force of repulsive electromagnetic power overcomes gravity by resisting the Earth's electromagnetic field. I understand that this will work with AC or DC electrical current.

Originally posted by mbkennel

Originally posted by LUXUS

Originally posted by OwenGP185
This is not really anti-gravity though is it, even if you multiply the amount and strength of magnets it seems it will just lower the resistance. I guess the military would have figured out how true anti-gravity from this by now though.

And if you lowered the mass effect by say 90% by using superconducting electro magnets would that not be a step in the right direction?

No. True gravitational modification, as opposed to an external electromagnetic force, would also change inertial properties (resistance to movement). Furthermore it would act on all laws of physics, so that, for instance, light would be bent. Real 'anti-gravity' would look weird, literally.

There's been no good experimental evidence known to science this has been done or can be done on a human-accessible experimental scale.

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Why would an object which slightly reduces the gravitational field result in light being bent?? it would not. If you produced a massive gravitational field then yes that would but this is not required or probably even possible.

Yes reducing the gravity field will also reduce the G force and the inertia of those magnets must be lower then normal, how would you test for that though?

Originally posted by LUXUS
reply to post by Arbitrageur

 

Boyd Bushman was a senior research scientist at the Lockheed Martin Skunk Works and therefore can assure you he is no fool.

We don’t know for sure if Boyd dropped them by hand or not, he just said he dropped them. He paid $5000 each for these magnets so they must have been massive!

I believe we will find in time that the results are real and not due to human psychology.
en.wikipedia.org...

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He said the the neodymium magnets scared him because of the power they had. So I doubt he was holding them in his hands. I have 600 dollars worth of N52's that I don't even keep in the house for fear of them. I still haven't taken them from the package I bought them in because I can't separate them yet. I have to build a special separator. They don't tell you that when you buy them. However, I experiment with tiny neos that I buy at the craft store. They are still very powerful, but they don't scare me as much.

reply to post by Fromabove

Copper is a good conductor and air is clearly not. Eddy currents will not be induced in the air and result in an opposing magnetic field. That is not how this is working. Neither is this the result of the magnetic field of the magnet reacting to the magnetic field of the earth. It has actually more to do with electron spin and its influence on the vacuum energy of the fabric of space. It creates a pinching effect which results in the local gravity field being disturbed.

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I also have huge neo magnets, I’m a strong guy (can press over 40kgs over my head with one arm) but I have to use all my strength to move these things. They are seriously dangerous things, could easily take your finger off by two of these slamming together!

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Yes, neos are very dangerous if not handled correctly. I always advise watching one of the many videos on the things they are capable of crushing.

Originally posted by LUXUS
reply to post by Fromabove

 

Copper is a good conductor and air is clearly not. Eddy currents will not be induced in the air and result in an opposing magnetic field. That is not how this is working. Neither is this the result of the magnetic field of the magnet reacting to the magnetic field of the earth. It has actually more to do with electron spin and its influence on the vacuum energy of the fabric of space. It creates a pinching effect which results in the local gravity field being disturbed.

edit on 27-2-2012 by LUXUS because: (no reason given)

In the copper, the magnetic field of the magnet causes electron spin and thus resistance. I did some interesting tests using a common ceramic magnet where I noticed that when rolled on it's edge it always made a path perfectly aligned with east west. The magnet was a disk with a 3/8 thickness by 3/4 inch diameter. If I pointed it in any direction it always corrected itself to east west or west east, but never would it go north south at any time. The south pole of the magnet always turned north and north to the Earth's south pole. This made me conclude that the electromagnetic field generated by the earth had a direct effect on the positioning and path of the magnet. Gravity was not involved as the surface used for the experiment was flat and smooth with no inclinations. Try this one and see what you think about it. It is at the very least interesting.

Originally posted by LUXUS
Boyd Bushman was a senior research scientist at the Lockheed Martin Skunk Works and therefore can assure you he is no fool.

Your assurances mean nothing when he makes foolish statements in that video that highlight his glaring incompetence. That's not the extent of his foolishness, there's more of that video.

Perhaps he was like Tesla and competent when he was younger, and Lockheed Martin just didn't have the courage to fire him when he became incompetent? Plus, the employees working at a company are only as good as the people that hire them...how do I know the guy that bushman worked for wasn't a moron? I don't. But I can say Bushman says some really incompetent stuff in that video and if you aren't able to recognize that, then I wouldn't hire you either.

I'd suspect magnets in opposition could produce a type of exclusion zone that could keep particles and energy out. (If magnets can be used to contain and trap particles, then they should also be capable of the opposite.) Such a region of space might be an interesting environment for study in regards to quantum pairs that show from nothing and spontaneously annihilate. Quantum foam or some such if I recall from what bits I've read on the internet or seen discussed on TV.

I think instead of permanent magnets, some experiment(s) should be devised using electromagnets. Much more controllable (and can be rendered safe from mechanical stress by turning it off), and depending how the coils are wound and energized, you may achieve some configurations which produce field stresses not possible with permanent magnets. Some configurations could be more optimal in regards to any interaction with gravity, provided there is one. Pulsed or otherwise moving fields in balanced opposition might be an interesting research subject too.

If it is possible to produce a region of space with more "vacuum" than a vacuum and have access to the quantum foam, if there's any truth to some proposed quantum theories of gravity, then such experiments may yield interesting results. More might be learned about the zero point state of time-space, which might be the working "medium" of gravitational effects.

Yet I think anything capable of making "interesting" results would be expensive from an energy consumption and operation standpoint. Stuff in the realm of the typical tinkerer might not produce a change easily and readily measured. (Still couldn't hurt to try, just on the odd chance there's some physics loophole being overlooked.)

However the experiments in the video seem to fall short of what I'd consider any scientific rigor. You need to eliminate parallax, and also ensure they're very close in mass and shape because unlike the moon you're dealing with air resistance in this case. Other factors like nearby objects which could produce a braking effect on a magnet via field interactions would also have to be ruled out. Not just things the magnet would normally attract to, but also any materials which allow production of eddy currents via movement of the magnet itself. Individual drops from a mechanically consistent apparatus combined with time and other measurement references as recorded by a high speed camera would be a good start.

this post is rather interesting i'd like to try both my self

The two rocks are not released at the same time, it's obvious from the video. This is lame.