Antigravity, not that hard!

All you need is to get two really strong magnets and force the two north poles together, drop it off a building and it will fall slower then it should i.e. it manipulates localised gravity...simples!

Suggestion, dump the magnets into liquid nitrogen first to increase the effect

This is not really anti-gravity though is it, even if you multiply the amount and strength of magnets it seems it will just lower the resistance. I guess the military would have figured out how true anti-gravity from this by now though.

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no offense but im on the phone with the military right now,, ill fax NASA.

Gravity and magnetism are different and separate forces. Gravity acts between any two objects having mass.Two objects get pulled towards each other if they have mass. Magnetism, on the other hand, works very differently. A magnetic field is caused by the alignment of, or the motion of, charged particles. In the case of a conventional magnet, it is the alignment of magnetic dipoles within a piece of steel. In the case of a earth, the magnetic field is due to the movement of molten material under the earth's crust.

Originally posted by OwenGP185
This is not really anti-gravity though is it, even if you multiply the amount and strength of magnets it seems it will just lower the resistance. I guess the military would have figured out how true anti-gravity from this by now though.

And if you lowered the mass effect by say 90% by using superconducting electro magnets would that not be a step in the right direction?

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Gravity is a field effect induced by mass on the localised vacuum energy ie mass has a slight polarising effect on the vacuum and we call the result gravity. The vacuum energy is electromagnetic in nature so guess what, intense electrostatic fields and magnetic fields should alter localised gravity

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I have a couple questions with this experiment. Was the two rocks exactly the same weight? And did the two rocks have the same size?

Would dropping two same pole magnets glued together and two pieces of lead glued together bring the same result?

What is the same pole to pole effect doing exactly to slow its path to the bottom?

Luxus: what is your profile pic of? It looks great.

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You should edit the title: "Antigravity, not"

i remember seeing this old american bloke rapping bare copper wire about 50 metres into a coil & putting one end into the live & one into the neautral plugging it into 110v low and behold it raised up about 12 inches he smiled at the camera & said if a hick like me can do that what could the goverment do ,,,,,true

Originally posted by ManOfHart
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I have a couple questions with this experiment. Was the two rocks exactly the same weight? And did the two rocks have the same size?

Would dropping two same pole magnets glued together and two pieces of lead glued together bring the same result?

What is the same pole to pole effect doing exactly to slow its path to the bottom?

Yes rocks were of the same size / weight.

Yes the two pieces of lead would hit the ground first

It creates a small torsion field which modifies local gravity

Originally posted by killbot2012
Luxus: what is your profile pic of? It looks great.

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Originally posted by geobro
i remember seeing this old american bloke rapping bare copper wire about 50 metres into a coil & putting one end into the live & one into the neautral plugging it into 110v low and behold it raised up about 12 inches he smiled at the camera & said if a hick like me can do that what could the goverment do ,,,,,true

Yes I know but thats not the same, that is simply the diamagnetic effect and gravity field strength is not altered.

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WELL somebody got round to it on the 7th of january 2004 at 5 am something mighty weird flew very very slowly with a crazy buzzing noise low over my flat . what ever it was was no engine i recognise no power lines near house to this day i still kick myself for not getting up when i got home from work all lights in street had been out all day . this thing sounded like it came out of a sf movie just sayin

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This is a very silly experiment. Releasing those weights with your hands is extremely prone to error. There can even be an unconscious effect where a bias makes the experimenter release one slightly sooner than the other.

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I agree , also because of the angle that the film was shot from it makes it difficult to accurately judge the results.

This obviously just does not work otherwise they would use a more scientific way of testing it.

Originally posted by geobro
i remember seeing this old american bloke rapping bare copper wire about 50 metres into a coil & putting one end into the live & one into the neautral plugging it into 110v low and behold it raised up about 12 inches he smiled at the camera & said if a hick like me can do that what could the goverment do ,,,,,true

Do you recall how long the coil remained about 12" in the air? How did he prevent himself from shock? How about the fuse or circuit breaker? They don't hold up well when the circuit is shorted like that even adding the 50 metres of copper it's still just touching the ends of a live wire together. Not a good idea.

If you drop a neodymium magnet into a copper pipe, and a marble into another of the same size, weight, and shape, the one having the magnet will travel slower through the pipe. The marble will zip right through it. What we see here is the same effect. It is not anti gravity but electromagnetic braking. The Earth exerts an electromagnet field, which is not gravity. This field, when opposed will attempt to repel an on coming similar force,( + to +) or (- to -). Because this effect it still important, it is one step closer to actually "overcoming" the gravity effect with electromagnetism. But it is not anti gravity, it is opposing electromagnetism against the earth's electromagnetic field.

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I do testing professionally so I'm pretty qualified to critique this stuff.

First, I use machines to drop things that completely take human error and bias out of it. In fact the machines are called "drop testers". You can place 2 objects on the machine and it will release both of them without any kind of consistent bias, which I can't say for a human using two hands.

There is absolutely nothing to rule out human bias in these experiments and it's entirely possible the guy doing the dropping knows which is which and consciously or even subconsciously doesn't release both at exactly the same time.

Boyd Bushman even admitted he was the guy doing the dropping, so he definitely knew which was which. And he's a pretty silly guy to make this claim...why do I say that?

Because he brags in the video about how he measured the field from the magnets...which by itself is OK, in fact I suppose the point itself is that measuring things is good and impressive, which I would agree with if it's done accurately. So what's the most important part of this claim?

It's the part he DIDN'T measure...which is how much longer it took to hit the ground.

Even 8 years ago we've had sophisticated timing technology available that could measure the difference in time to fall.

So in summary two huge problems with credibility:

1. Technology exists to release both objects at the same time without bias. It wasn't used, but instead a human was used, and it's well documented that humans can and often do introduce bias into experiments.
2. Since we don't know at what time the objects were released due to #1, we can't even measure the difference in the time to fall.

Claim in video that both objects released simultaneously: unproven.

Here's what would fix the experiment:

Use a machine to take out the bias in dropping the objects.
The machine can be connected to a timer, and the time to drop can be measured.
The experiment needs to be conducted numerous times to even switch the positions of the objects on the machine to rule out bias from the dropping machine, like different friction on the two locations being dropped from.

In fact if you think about it, there's really no reason to do these drops side by side. You could even drop them one at a time and then just use a timing circuit to measure the average and standard deviations of the 50 time to drop tests for each object.

Then compare the averages and standard deviations statistically for the 150 trials to see if in fact there is any difference. This is how it could be done scientifically.

But what the video shows is not a well-controlled experiment.

I'd also add that the reason the feather drop test on the moon was so effective even without timing circuits, is a feather is much slower to fall than a hammer on Earth. So it does to some degree prove a relative lack of atmosphere even without precise measurements.

But the differences in fall rates for these objects is apparently quite small if it exists, and therefore more precise measurements are needed of time to fall. After all, we aren't living in Galileo's time...we have equipment to measure this stuff precisely...and it's pretty incompetent to not use it, on the part of Boyd Bushman. In fact, I wouldn't hire Bushman to work in my lab, he seems pretty incompetent to me based on the rather childish way he collected data on time to fall, by getting a bunch of signatures from witnesses, instead of setting up timing circuits and measuring fall times statistically with high accuracy and without bias as I would expect any competent professional to be able to do.

Originally posted by LUXUS

Originally posted by OwenGP185
This is not really anti-gravity though is it, even if you multiply the amount and strength of magnets it seems it will just lower the resistance. I guess the military would have figured out how true anti-gravity from this by now though.

And if you lowered the mass effect by say 90% by using superconducting electro magnets would that not be a step in the right direction?

No. True gravitational modification, as opposed to an external electromagnetic force, would also change inertial properties (resistance to movement). Furthermore it would act on all laws of physics, so that, for instance, light would be bent. Real 'anti-gravity' would look weird, literally.

There's been no good experimental evidence known to science this has been done or can be done on a human-accessible experimental scale.