Questions for Secret Society Members

Hello!

I’ll try to keep this brief. I have been a professional conspiracy theorist (haha) since my teens (in my late 30’s now) and bought the whole Illuminati Satanist reptilian agenda thing pretty much whole. But since 2008 I started to look more closely at secret societies and the mystery school traditions and it’s been one of the most rewarding things I have done. I began reading the ancient and magic texts of old and while not an expert have become pretty well versed in Hermetic, Gnostic, Buddhist, Occult and other ancient teachings. I now see that the Masons and other secret societies based their knowledge and traditions on other extremely ancient teachings that have their roots in the original shamans, medicine men and druids of old. These teachings are all about self empowerment, love, gratitude and connecting to nature and unity consciousness. But, there seems to be a flip side as well where this same information is used to keep others unaware of who and what they are as a means of control.

What this seems to suggest to me is that there are two camps of secret orders working behind the scenes, both using the same ancient knowledge but in different ways. One as a means of self enlightenment, the other as a means of oppression.

While there seems to be no shortage of information on how the so called “dark” occultist operate in society, there seem to be almost no information (that I can find) on how the “light” occultists operate. If these “light” occultist are out there, why are they so hidden and why is there information harder to obtain than the dark arts?

I have learned so much in the last 4 or 5 years but I feel I’ve come to a standstill in this department. I am not affiliated with any Gnostic, Masonic or Magical orders, is now the time to join?

To be more concise, my main areas of interest are in the “spiritual” realm for lack of a better world. I am extremely intuitive and there is psychic ability in my family on my father’s side from Germany. I find great joy in my meditation practice and believe strongly in my energy healing work with Reiki and others. I attend a few sacred ceremonies a year where entheogens are used to learn, teach and communicate ideas about ourselves and the universe. These are my main areas of interest.

I am looking to supplement these practices with the use of symbols, sigils, numbers, sacred geometry, etc, to take me to the next level. I have found this information extremely hard to find.

If anyone reading this can point me in the right direction or recommend some teachings it would be much appreciated. Also, members of certain orders who feel I would benefit from their teachings, please let me know. I live in Vancouver, BC and if anyone reading this happens to live here as well and can help, please send me a message.

Thanks and Much Peace…

reply to post by wrdwzrd


Masonry has to do with the individual. Ways to improve one's self, then you have the philanthropy side where we pull our resources and put money towards different charities. You might be more geared towards the magick side of things. I am sure Josh Norton will be along soon. He or Masonic Light would be the best help I can think of right away.

Originally posted by wrdwzrd
Hello!

Howdy!

I’ll try to keep this brief. I have been a professional conspiracy theorist (haha) since my teens (in my late 30’s now)

Any good benefits for being a pro? Dental? Retirement plan?

What this seems to suggest to me is that there are two camps of secret orders working behind the scenes, both using the same ancient knowledge but in different ways. One as a means of self enlightenment, the other as a means of oppression.

If you were to name names, which groups do you suppose are on which side?

While there seems to be no shortage of information on how the so called “dark” occultist operate in society, there seem to be almost no information (that I can find) on how the “light” occultists operate. If these “light” occultist are out there, why are they so hidden and why is there information harder to obtain than the dark arts?

We do good work because good work needs to be done. If we were in it for the publicity, you'd know about it, but it would cheapen the experience for all involved...

I have learned so much in the last 4 or 5 years but I feel I’ve come to a standstill in this department. I am not affiliated with any Gnostic, Masonic or Magical orders, is now the time to join?

Go for it!

To be more concise, my main areas of interest are in the “spiritual” realm for lack of a better world. I am extremely intuitive and there is psychic ability in my family on my father’s side from Germany. I find great joy in my meditation practice and believe strongly in my energy healing work with Reiki and others. I attend a few sacred ceremonies a year where entheogens are used to learn, teach and communicate ideas about ourselves and the universe. These are my main areas of interest.

I am looking to supplement these practices with the use of symbols, sigils, numbers, sacred geometry, etc, to take me to the next level. I have found this information extremely hard to find.

The esoteric lessons ARE in Masonry, but you have to look for them, and to be honest, most practicing Masons today overlook the majority of the real enlightenment out of ignorance. That said, there are still members who spend significant time researching and discussing such things, if you can find them.

If anyone reading this can point me in the right direction or recommend some teachings it would be much appreciated. Also, members of certain orders who feel I would benefit from their teachings, please let me know. I live in Vancouver, BC and if anyone reading this happens to live here as well and can help, please send me a message.

Grand Lodge of BC might be a place to start. Looks like more than 20+ lodges in Vancouver proper, and probably a handful in surrounding areas.

Thanks and Much Peace…

Originally posted by network dude
I am sure Josh Norton will be along soon. He or Masonic Light would be the best help I can think of right away.

Hey, what do you know?

Haven't seen ML here in a month… Actually starting to get a bit worried by his absence, to be honest.

It's hard to find light side occultists because occultism as been viewed like satanic over the past 1500 years.
I also have a decent dose of psychic power and would love to expand my "light magic".

I think a lot of dark occultists get power from demon spirits and that good spirits rarely contact us, maybe because they follow some sort of "prime directive" that they evil ones don't care about since they do what they wilt.

reply to post by wrdwzrd
About the closest I've ever come to a secret society was in college. A girl I dated for a couple of years was a witch. Kinda cool. Seax-wiccan (spelling?)

Have you ever thought of creating your own society?

reply to post by JoshNorton


Thanks Josh!

In terms of who is on what side, to be honest, I'm not entirely sure. I would take a guess that whoever is behind our modern day political and economic game are most likely on the "dark" side. I don't believe this would necessarily make any one of them as individuals bad but I guess this is the part of the agenda they are helping push for whatever reason.

I agree that there are many good people doing lots of good work and to publicize it would cheapen it but how does one like myself who wants nothing more than to do good work get involved and help?

I am not totally sold on joining the Freemasons, although I have been to the lodge and met many great people. As you said, something more "spiritual" I think would be more beneficial. I was looking at attending some Gnostic study groups, do you think this would help?

Oh, and as for the professional conspiracy work, no dental as of yet but our union heads are working on it

Much Peace!

reply to post by beezzer


Thanks for the comments Beezer. Me and a few friends have started a small group of our own where we share ideas and practice light rituals. Maybe we'll have to get more serious about it!

reply to post by beezzer


I did that. the ending sucked, but the beginning and the middle part was aaaaawesome.

Originally posted by wrdwzrd
I am not totally sold on joining the Freemasons, although I have been to the lodge and met many great people. As you said, something more "spiritual" I think would be more beneficial. I was looking at attending some Gnostic study groups, do you think this would help?

Certainly wouldn't hurt. Again, Masonic Light is well versed on such things, including AMORC, Golden Dawn, OTO, and a number of others. But he hasn't posted here in a while. (Might be worth doing a search on some of his posts with one of those keywords to see what he's written on the subject in the past...)

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Thank you my friend, much appreciated....

Buy the books by Franz Barden.
You don't need to join a group.
My opinion is that when you join a group you give away your power to the leader/teacher.
AMORC had a Tues evening national meditation - supposedly a psychic broadcast by the leader.
Actually the combined power of this group could be used by anyone "tuning in" on the "message".
On the other hand groups can combine their power in a single thought to produce miracles of one sort or another.
Thoughts are things and they become real.
E-motion is what brings about coalescence of the energy.

Light workers are hard to find because they do not wish to be 'found.'

The true seekers find them through their actions, no advertising necessary.

When the student is ready, the teacher appears, and all that...

Read it all, take the best and leave the rest.

Good luck, and godspeed weary traveler...

Hi, I made an account to post a reply for you. English is not my first language so please excuse my mistakes. Wall of text to scare people not really interested.
I´m a member of AMORC since about a year. They are definitely some of the “good guys” and they are inclined towards the more spiritual side of things, no charity and things like that.
The teachings system is a bit different from other groups, you don´t study from the big lodge library, although you obviously can and should, instead you receive material to study progressively by becoming a member and by keeping your membership. That is an AMORC membership, and that´s independent of any lodge or chapter you wish to attend. You can receive and study the material and never go to any lodge or anything, you have to go there just for the initiations. I recommend going to a lodge, at least to know some people there get a feel for how they are.
Like most things in life the progress you make depends solely on you, you may receive lots of lessons and be just the same as before, or you can receive a few and know more things than some people that have been studding for years. That´s one of the main reasons there´s a custom in this lodges not to talk so much about weird things that happen on an individual level, at least publicly, you can talk whatever you like with friends you make there. Although just being there you will see some unintentional weird things.
On the more spiritual and “good guys” side of things, individual and lodge work is mainly focused on two things, developing yourself and helping the planet and mankind. Lessons are not just the things you read but you are also receiving subtle ones, some invisible, non material help if you will. I don´t know if I should say this but some work involves astral traveling outside Earth and doing some energy work on it, for example. I can´t get out yet, buy I see some of them leaving, with my eyes closed. Lots of work involving healing too.
About the publicity, AMORC is really public in some countries, and pretty quiet in others, I think it depends on the lodge. It is public knowledge that Martinism functions inside AMORC, and you have to be grade 1 to get in. I don´t know how public this is, but AMORC is also tightly tied to other groups that nearly vanished with the turmoils of WW2, this are pretty secret, with very few members and you can only get in by invitation. I have no idea what they do.
On the negative side, at least for me, the teachings sometimes seem a bit slow and a bit simplistic, and some times too much love and peace, but it´s great none the less.
There is no need for exclusivity, you can be a member of other groups too, in fact, lots of people I know there do this.
I almost forgot! You can search wikileaks for some leaked material, it´s some of the first thing you receive when becoming a member.
On a side note, I think there´s more people involved in these groups in the paranormal section of ATS than in the secret societies one.

I encourage everyone here to, if not join some group, at least attend some public event, to see the things they are and the things they are not, to clear at least some confusion lots of people here tend to have.

Feel free to PM me if you want.

Peace.

reply to post by jimnuggits


Thank you!

reply to post by damaku


Thank you very much for commenting on this post, much appreciated! I have had others tell me pretty much the same thing as you and I am going to attend some AMORC events here in Vancouver to test the waters. Im not really big on identifying with one group, or any for that matter, but the teachings do resonate with me.

Thanks again!

reply to post by wrdwzrd


Not going to be real popular here, but--I know that you already have everything you need to be enlightened. Why ruin that with an affiliation to anything as religious as a secret group? Collectivism sucks...the belief will blind you, and make you a lover of death.

Are you really ready to worship Intellegence? Take part in religious rituals? As much as I hate to tell people what to do, or not--realise that association with Mystic knowledge can lead you to believe--everything you have been told, ON FAITH. Do you need a middleman to enlightenment? These are all creations of imperfect men. Men who wear dresses and call each other Worshipful Masters and such. Men who worship male power.

As for Dark and Light secrets, they are two sides of the same coin. You will understand this with time.

I understand why you would be curious. That is the lure of secret knowledge--

The truth is--this behavior leads to more division of humanity. Those in the know, and those who arent. And the agenda behind that, is control of the mind. No thanks.

Anyway, I guess youll just have to knock and find out for yourself. Is seems there is no other way. It just pains me to hear such ego from people.

I wish you well in your travels.

reply to post by wrdwzrd


Please don't take my response as any validation that your theories are at all true in relation to Masonry. But, I do have a theory on this part...

While there seems to be no shortage of information on how the so called “dark” occultist operate in society, there seem to be almost no information (that I can find) on how the “light” occultists operate. If these “light” occultist are out there, why are they so hidden and why is there information harder to obtain than the dark arts?

Just my opinion, but if there were "dark" occultists and "light" occultists, then their very nature of motivations should explain why one would be apparent and attention-seeking, while the other would have no desire for attention, nor desire any credit for their work. I don't believe in the things you have mentioned in any kind of tangible way, but I do think there are many people that seek out sources of power for personal, greedy, or nefarious reasons, and there are other people that seek out ancient wisdom for self-improvement and enlightenment and selfless reasons.

I think it is self-explanatory why you would only hear about the "dark" side.

For instance, a local organization here in my town, loosely related to Masonry, although not directly connected spent many thousand dollars last year buying anonymous Christmas presents, scouring the newspaper for fires and burglaries and anonymously replacing the items lost, etc. It was simply a charitable thing to do, during a season of giving, by people equipped to be charitable. The "light" side has no desire to be recognized.

Originally posted by rainbowbear
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Not going to be real popular here, but--I know that you already have everything you need to be enlightened. Why ruin that with an affiliation to anything as religious as a secret group? Collectivism sucks...the belief will blind you, and make you a lover of death.

Are you really ready to worship Intellegence? Take part in religious rituals? As much as I hate to tell people what to do, or not--realise that association with Mystic knowledge can lead you to believe--everything you have been told, ON FAITH. Do you need a middleman to enlightenment? These are all creations of imperfect men. Men who wear dresses and call each other Worshipful Masters and such. Men who worship male power.

As for Dark and Light secrets, they are two sides of the same coin. You will understand this with time.

I understand why you would be curious. That is the lure of secret knowledge--

The truth is--this behavior leads to more division of humanity. Those in the know, and those who arent. And the agenda behind that, is control of the mind. No thanks.

Anyway, I guess youll just have to knock and find out for yourself. Is seems there is no other way. It just pains me to hear such ego from people.

I wish you well in your travels.

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Thanks for your reply. My desire for more knowledge is not for ego but to be as helpful as I can be. Over the years I have done much to improve myself but you can always do more. Like I mentioned, I have no real desire to align myself with any group or agenda, just to continue to enlighten myself to the true nature of the universe and in turn help others around me.

I do understand what you are saying, one one hand I feel the same way. I also understand the old adage of being one's own best teacher and student. But can we really all just go it alone? Many here have mentioned being a part of groups that work for the light. Of course it is obvious as to why one would not want to advertise that or cheapen it but to hide it completely, even from those who can help, seems counter productive. It is more hiding of knowledge, which I don't understand.

I have found this part of the journey incredibly frustrating but I guess that is the lesson in and of itself. I guess I'll just to keep at it alone...

Much Peace...

reply to post by wrdwzrd


Don't misunderstand, OP. It is not 'hidden' knowledge.

I always use the analogy of a new math book at the beginning of your freshman year.

The work in the back of the book is not 'hidden,' it is merely beyond your current level of understanding, and any attempts at deciphering it will do more harm than good.

Dawn comes in degrees, steps which only you can set.

What you seek can be found, but only through your own efforts.