Antique bible turns up in Turkey

Originally posted by paleorchid13
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The Vatican is already requesting to examine it ....
www.huffingtonpost.com...

An interesting theory on the book ...

Some media reports also said the copy of Bible in Ankara may be a copy of the much-debated Gospel of Barnabas, which Muslims claim is an original gospel that was later suppressed; the oldest copies of this gospel date back to the 16th century and are written in Italian and Spanish. However, the Gospel of Barnabas is not included in the four gospels that currently comprise the canonical New Testament -- Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The Gospel of Barnabas contradicts the canonical New Testament account of Jesus and his ministry but has strong parallels with the Islamic view of Jesus. Much of its content and themes parallel Islamic ideas, and it includes a prediction by Jesus of the Prophet

www.sundayszaman.com...

Written in gold lettering got my attention right away, and for personal reasons I have reason to believe that there is something in there I would want to see. Cool find!

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not that we the public will ever get the truth

It was found to contain a previously undiscovered preface / cover page

"All of the events and characters within this book are entirely fictional, and any correlation to actual events or living persons is entirely coincidental".

As someone that has antiquities as a part of his life looking at it strikes a funny cord.

These pages are leather and 1500 yrs old supposedly. Why are they shining like they are new? Dude someone rub these with an oil?

I dont know anyone in their right mind that would take something supposedly this important and shine it up.

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Thats my problem. And probably why it took so long; the vatican needed to see if it would compromise their agenda. Possibly it did. Possibly hidden again for that reason. Maybe the smugglers wanted to reveal some world changing truth by bringing it back to the light. Id love to see it, after learning a dead language, of course.

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You forgot signed, "The Vatican" with a wink emoticon.

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Will those who think this may reveal that today's Bible is bs reconsider their agnosticism if it turns out to be the same Bible as today? I'm betting it will be---with the so-called apocrypha.

Originally posted by TruthSeekerMike
Will those who think this may reveal that today's Bible is bs reconsider their agnosticism if it turns out to be the same Bible as today? I'm betting it will be---with the so-called apocrypha.

it has to be real first

the pages just do not look like something 1500 yrs old and nothing leather that is 1500 yrs old shines like that

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The Vatican has more than enough money to purchase it at auction...down into the catacombs...never to be seen again.

Des

Very interesting indeed. Id like to know EXACTLY what is in that book. But Id doubt that the public will ever get the truth. Especially since the Vatican has intrest in it as well.

Eh, 1500 years old? Our planet is way older than that! Maybe 1,500 years from now someone will find Meg Griffrin's diary and think it bears some significance.

I don't really see the big deal about finding a 1500 year old version of the Bible. It's already known that the Holy Church has edited the Bible to contain only 66 books which support their theological doctrines, while locking away, destroying, and confiscating anything else. So, whether this book is 500 years old, or 1500 years old it is still a Holy Bible, which means it is the work of the Church, and is therefore automatically corrupted.

Additionally, it's pretty well established by now that Christ was just another sun-god, solar messiah, in a long line of solar divinities. So, a 1500 year old Bible does nothing to "prove" the historicity of Jesus, who is an established allegorical, and metaphorical figure.

Finding old books is still very cool though, so, no complaint from me about looking for old books.

The "smugglers caught with host of antiquated books" angle sounds remarkably similar to Simon's back-story of how he came to possess the NECRONOMICON, according to his autobiographical account in book 3: "Dead Names: The Dark History of the Necronomicon."

~ Wandering Scribe

I betcha this ones begins appropriately with "And once upon a time..."

The ones written back then are just as FICTIONAL as the ones today.

Well well look at this article from the mail.

Secret £14million Bible in which 'Jesus predicts coming of Prophet Muhammad' unearthed in Turkey

I did say this could be big.

Pope Benedict XVI is claimed to want to see the 1,500-year-old book, which many say is the Gospel of Barnabas, that has been hidden by the Turkish state for the last 12 years.

Of course he wants to see it then it will be locked away in the Vatican volt never to see light again.
Look at this bit.

It rejects the ideas of the Holy Trinity and the Crucifixion and reveals that Jesus predicted the coming of the Prophet Muhammad.

But then there is this bit.

Despite the interest in the newly re-discovered book, some believe it is a fake and only dates back to the 16th century.

You can see why they would say that because it goes against what they have been preaching to the sheepl for all this time.
Link www.dailymail.co.uk...

Thanks

How mad will people be when this turns out to be exactly the same as our modern version of the bible

Originally posted by openeyeswideshut
reply to post by mars1

 

Here's the thing that gets me.

It's still written 500 years after christ died. Now I know thats better than what we have today, BUT you have to realize that lots of manipulation in the bible came from Paul's way of teaching in Rome.

This however is written in aramaic which could lead to the possibility that it isn't of Roman influence(can't be for sure), but I would make a bet that this is closer to the actual teachings of Jesus than we've ever known... Save maybe the Vatican archives. Heaven forbid the Vatican actually tells the truth about Jesus

Rome were the only ones who knew the dead languages 500 years after Christ, everone else forgot them. The Apostacy took control when Constantine legalized christianity. I wouldn't believe Rome if they said they found Christ's bones buried under the Cistine Chapel.

Would be interested to see what's in this and see what happens to it.
I would NOT be sending this to Vatican City...


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Doesn't the Ethiopic Bible (And scriptures) contain plenty of extra books and is supposedly one of the older versions?

Book of Enoch and so on?

According to Huffington Post article already posted above:

The Bible reportedly contains early teachings of Jesus Christ and is written in gold lettering on animal hide in Syriac, a dialect of Aramaic, which was the native tongue of Jesus.

In it, Jesus is said to have predicted the coming of the Prophet Muhammad.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

How do we know this isn't an antique Qu'ran as opposed to a Bible?

According to Luxenberg, the Qur'an was not written in classical Arabic but in a mixed Arabic-Syriac language, the traders' language of Mecca and it was based on Christian liturgical texts.

When the final text of the Qur'an was codified, those working on it did not understand the original sense and meaning of this hybrid trading language any more, and they forcefully and randomly turned it into classical Arabic. This gave rise to a lot of misinterpretations. Something like this can only have happened if there was a gap in the oral transmission of the Qur'anic text. That idea is in serious disagreement with the views of both traditional Muslims and western scholars of Islam.

Here's an interesting note:

According to Luxenberg the word "al-qur'an" is derived from the Aramaic word "qeryan-a" meaning ‘lectionary’ a book of liturgical readings. This book was a Syro-Aramaic lectionary, with hymns and Biblical extracts, created for use in Christian services.

This Arabic lectionary is a trace of the pre-Islamic, Christian past of certain Arab communities, who were amongst the first Christians. It was not meant to start a new religion, but a legacy of an older one. It is accepted by scholars and orientalists internationally that the word "qur'an" (without the article l-) is derived from the Arabic root word "qara'a", which means reading. Luxenberg's Aramaic "qeryan" (without the article -a) is also derived from the same, shared Semitic root Q-R-' "reading", as is obvious from the translation "lectionary", "a text for reading".

en.wikipedia.org...

What if the reality is that the Qu'ran is a pre-Islamic Christian Arab text that's been mistranslated from an Arabic-Syriac language into an Arabic one?

Originally posted by mars1

Originally posted by ColCurious
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why is it a big deal from the religious point of view?
It's still 500 years too young to be considered as a historically accurate reference to anything within the christian mythology anyways.

Like I said in my OP I am not religious but if this is translated it could give a totally different story to the one we know there is talk that the bible we have now is mistranslated.

There could be things in there that are unknown to us who knows but I think this is a big deal and many more will.
We will have to wait and see what happens with this.

Thanks

First off all of our writings in the new testament predate that bible and secondly Jesus spoke the language of the time Greek because they were occupied and Hebrew because he was Jewish. I don't know where you guys get your information from but these facts are well known.

So, when did Turkish authorities really find this?

Here's an article dated February 6, 2009 stating that a Syriac Bible was found the previous week and sounds pretty familiar with the current story.


"Ancient" Syriac bible found in Cyprus"

Turkish Cypriot authorities seized the relic last week and nine individuals are in custody pending further investigations.

More individuals are being sought in connection with the find, they said. Further investigations turned up a prayer statue and a stone carving of Jesus believed to be from a church in the Turkish held north, as well as dynamite.


The police have charged the detainees with smuggling antiquities, illegal excavations and the possession of explosives.

www.reuters.com...

Is this a different text?