Let's Cut to the Chase - Iran Must Be Stopped

I have always been against Iran acquiring nuclear weapons but I hoped this could be achieved through peaceful means. However, the more news I read about Iran’s intentions and the more I watch the leaders of Iran thumb their noses at our peaceful attempts at nonproliferation the more at ease I am with backing an Israeli strike to remove Iran’s weapons and regime.

Iran openly and continuously proclaims its intentions to annihilate the Jews yet people still deny this truth:



Just read the words of Alireza Forghani, a former Iranian governor and close ally of the regime.

In the name of Allah Iran must attack Israel...

Today, the first Qibla of the Muslims has been occupied by Israel, a cancerous tumor for the Middle East. Today, Israel is causing division using all evil means. Every Muslim is obliged to equip themselves against Israel. ... and since the potential danger is facing the foundations of Islam, it is necessary for the Islamic governments in particular and other Muslims in general to remove this corrupting material by any means. All our troubles are due to Israel! And Israel results from America too.

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The leaders of Iran continue to spew propaganda to the people of Iran and anyone who will listen. They have been beating the drums of war as leaders from around the world have tried to resolve the issues peacefully. Iranian leaders have been publicly justifying their intent to destroy Israel and people still dismiss it as harmless or try to justify this rhetoric.

The Iranian government, through a website proxy, has laid out the legal and religious justification for the destruction of Israel and the slaughter of its people.

The doctrine includes wiping out Israeli assets and Jewish people worldwide.

Calling Israel a danger to Islam, the conservative website Alef, with ties to Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said the opportunity must not be lost to remove “this corrupting material. It is a ‘jurisprudential justification” to kill all the Jews and annihilate Israel, and in that, the Islamic government of Iran must take the helm.”

The article, written by Alireza Forghani, a conservative analyst and a strategy specialist in Khamenei’s camp, now is being run on most state-owned conservative sites, including the Revolutionary Guards’ Fars News Agency, showing that the regime endorses this doctrine.

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Personally, I am tired of the debate. I’m tired of defending my position of keeping Iran nuke free. I’m also tired of the complete lack of logic from so many here defending Iran by pointing at US actions as justification for Iran obtaining nukes. Anyone still claiming Iran is a peaceful nation is either ignorant or dishonest IMO. My disgust with Iran's cheerleaders is best summed up like this…

I do not expect those who have chosen evil to understand, but again, if they had any dignity, if they had respect for humanity, then they would not support a regime that stones women to death, a regime that rapes and tortures Iranian boys and girls to suppress their desire for freedom, a regime that chops off hands and feet in punishment for stealing, a regime that lashes Iranians as punishment for not adhering to Islamic rules and savagely attacks anyone opposing it. This is a regime that is at the helm of worldwide terrorism in which many of its officials are wanted either by Interpol or courts around the world for terrorist acts and assassinations.

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How is anyone to reason with THIS:



The time has come for Israel to take care of these sick leaders in Iran and prevent the rise of Islamic fundamentalists.

What say you?

reply to post by seabag


In my opinion Iran has been stopped. We have them surrounded by 45 military bases. Any offensive move they make against another nation will be stopped before it starts.

On the other hand we do create quite a lot of incentive for Iran to act crazy and feel threatened. Let me ask you this, if you were Iran and the largest military might in the world had been threatening you with destruction for over 30 years, would you want to get a nuke for your country to help ensure your survival and the survival of your country?

Just my thoughts.

Let's cut to the chase ... if anyone is going to stop Iran from becoming a nuclear power, it should be Saudi Arabia. It's not our job to police up every rouge nutter country on the planet. Let Iran's neighbors take care of Iran. The Saudis have the manpower, the money, and they are living right next door.

Go ahead, stop Iran. I honestly don't care. Just don't involve me in it.

That being said, I don't think this is what you have in mind. I think your intentions are to involve me in this.

I have a feeling that your idea of how to stop Iran is for the government to put a gun to my head and either force me to go over there and kill a bunch of people I have nothing against; or put a gun to my head and force me to pay to send other people over there to kill a bunch of people I have nothing against.

So, what is your plan to stop Iran?

Don't believe the propaganda. None of what you said is true. You are being lied to daily.

reply to post by FlyersFan


thank you.....I honestly agree with you....thank you.

I will now move on to threads I actually came to ATS for.

be well.

I hope you have a good night.

reply to post by sageofmonticello

In my opinion Iran has been stopped. We have them surrounded by 45 military bases. Any offensive move they make against another nation will be stopped before it starts.

If they’re still spreading hate and strengthening their arsenal then they obviously haven’t been stopped.

On the other hand we do create quite a lot of incentive for Iran to act crazy and feel threatened. Let me ask you this, if you were Iran and the largest military might in the world had been threatening you with destruction for over 30 years, would you want to get a nuke for your country to help ensure your survival and the survival of your country?

Blaming America? Can’t you do better than that?

Threatened for 30 years?? If Israel or US wanted Iran gone for 30 years Iran would have been gone 30 years ago. You know you’re being intellectually dishonest with that argument, sir.

Thanks for the response though!

reply to post by FlyersFan


Agreed.
it isn't like the Saudis and Iran haven't already been playing war-games in Iraq [for example] by proxy.

reply to post by FlyersFan

The US ,unfortunately,is the only country that can penetrate, hit and get out of Iran,should a strike be sanctioned.

reply to post by FlyersFan

Let's cut to the chase ... if anyone is going to stop Iran from becoming a nuclear power, it should be Saudi Arabia. It's not our job to police up every rouge nutter country on the planet. Let Iran's neighbors take care of Iran. The Saudis have the manpower, the money, and they are living right next door.

I don’t care who does it, I just think it needs to happen sooner rather than later. If Israel (or anyone in the region) chooses to attack Iran I believe they are fully justified based on Iran's actions.

I say there's not a damn thing we can do about it regardless of our personal stance on the issue.

What will the world look like after the smoke clears? That...is the question.

reply to post by sageofmonticello

Dear sageofmonticello,

If I were Iran, surrounded by 45 angry military bases armed to the teeth, and just waiting for me to get a bomb so they can reduce my ashes to ash, I would not want to get a nuke, because it would not help ensure my survival and the survival of my country. It would mark the end of me and my country.

In a situation like that, I would think "This is a fight I can't win, better give them what they want for now." I would then say "Look wherever you want." Thinking, if I (as Iran) can get out of this with just a little insult to show for it, I am one lucky country.

With respect,
Charles1952

reply to post by seabag

Let's Cut to the Chase - Iran Must Be Stopped

No more than a month ago, I would agreed with the above, quoted statement; Iran should be stopped from acquiring nuclear weapons or there will be a price to pay. But... this didn't happen and the result is that now... here and today, the opportunity to stop this from happening without causing a global war or millions of senseless deaths, has passed. In a nutshell, it's just too late.

Now, you can blame Obama or the UN or even Israel for not simply taking the earlier facilities out before it got this far. But it really doesn't matter who's to blame because it won't change a damned thing.

So, here we are and like the years of run-up to WW2, the evil was appeased and placated in a vain effort to secure 'peace in our time'.

It was a waste then and it has been a waste now. From the instance of Nazi Germany, we swore we'd never let this happen again but yet, we have. This time... if anything survives, we'll swear it again and probably fail that oath again someday.

The truth today is that Iran has won the propaganda wars, garnering millions of little would-be brownshirts shouting down the ee-ville Jews that have been renamed 'Zionists'.
The truth is that today, Iran is no longer in danger of having its nuclear weapons program destroyed because it is so far along and the facilities so well protected, it would take dozens of ground-penetrating, cement-busting nukes to even dent it.

So, hat tip to Iran for using the Palestinian issue to wrap support for itself and turn a younger, naive generation in the west against Israel. Well played.

Now then, the outcome...

It won't be pretty because Russia is the father of Iran's nuclear program and that paternity will come back to haunt them and the rest of us by way of a new cold war. Europe will once again be littered with missiles and military... as will many other locations.

The hot war will begin and Iran and Israel and many other nations of the middle east will pay the price in blood so Persia can rebuild its empire. This it will do, for a short period of time. But it will again fall... but not before taking those lives with it.

Iran can't be stopped now... but it will be in the long run, and we have only ourselves to thank for the eventual outcome.

reply to post by seabag

Blaming America? Can’t you do better than that? Threatened for 30 years?? If Israel or US wanted Iran gone for 30 years Iran would have been gone 30 years ago. You know you’re being intellectually dishonest with that argument, sir. Thanks for the response though!

You are quite welcome for my response.

I don't blame America though I did expect you to say that. Iran is clearly not without blame. I am just saying that they are acting logically for their circumstances. I do think the American government does hold some blame in this process, not the american people. i also think the Iranian government holds some blame in this as well, though that does not make me want to go kill their people.

The United States government has been talking about taking out Iran for well over 30 years. The rhetoric comes in waves. Do you not remember how we funded Iraq's war against Iran? No intellectual dishonesty here, just reporting the facts sir.

You trying to deflect my valid points by saying I am just blaming America is frankly insulting, though I will take it with a grain of salt and still treat you with respect.

Iran is not moving, there is nothing to stop.

you gotta be doing glue to believe this war propaganda ( and I know some of you do, you know who you are:lol

Why Bush Sr.'s 1991 Gulf War? To Protect Iranian Islamism
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A Century of War: Anglo-American Oil Politics and the New World Order by F. William Engdahl;

"In November 1978, President Carter named the Bilderberg group's George Ball, another member of the Trilateral Commission, to head a special White House Iran task force under the National Security Council's Brzezinski. Ball recommended that Washington drop support for the Shah of Iran and support the fundamentalistic Islamic opposition of Ayatollah Khomeini. Robert Bowie from the CIA was one of the lead 'case officers' in the new CIA-led coup against the man their covert actions had placed into power 25 years earlier.

Their scheme was based on a detailed study of the phenomenon of Islamic fundamentalism, as presented by British Islamic expert, Dr. Bernard Lewis, then on assignment at Princeton University in the United States. Lewis's scheme, which was unveiled at the May 1979 Bilderberg meeting in Austria, endorsed the radical Muslim Brotherhood movement behind Khomeini, in order to promote balkanization of the entire Muslim Near East along tribal and religious lines. Lewis argued that the West should encourage autonomous groups such as the Kurds, Armenians, Lebanese Maronites, Ethiopian Copts, Azerbaijani Turks, and so forth. The chaos would spread in what he termed an 'Arc of Crisis,' which would spill over into Muslim regions of the Soviet Union.

The coup against the Shah, like that against Mossadegh in 1953, was run by British and American intelligence, with the bombastic American, Brzezinski, taking public 'credit' for getting rid of the 'corrupt' Shah, while the British characteristically remained safely in the background.

During 1978, negotiations were under way between the Shah's government and British Petroleum for renewal of the 25-year old extraction agreement. By October 1978, the talks had collapsed over a British 'offer' which demanded exclusive rights to Iran's future oil output, while refusing to guarantee purchase of the oil. With their dependence on British-controlled export apparently at an end, Iran appeared on the verge of independence in its oil sales policy for the first time since 1953, with eager prospective buyers in Germany, France, Japan and elsewhere. In its lead editorial that September, Iran's Kayhan International stated:

In retrospect, the 25-year partnership with the [British Petroleum] consortium and the 50-year relationship with British Petroleum which preceded it, have not been satisfactory ones for Iran Looking to the future, NIOC [National Iranian Oil Company] should plan to handle all operations by itself.

London was blackmailing and putting enormous economic pressure on the Shah's regime by refusing to buy Iranian oil production, taking only 3 million or so barrels daily of an agreed minimum of 5 million barrels per day. This imposed dramatic revenue pressures on Iran, which provided the context in which religious discontent against the Shah could be fanned by trained agitators deployed by British and U.S. intelligence. In addition, strikes among oil workers at this critical juncture crippled Iranian oil production.

As Iran's domestic economic troubles grew, American 'security' advisers to the Shah's Savak secret police implemented a policy of ever more brutal repression, in a manner calculated to maximize popular antipathy to the Shah. At the same time, the Carter administration cynically began protesting abuses of 'human rights' under the Shah.

British Petroleum reportedly began to organize capital flight out of Iran, through its strong influence in Iran's financial and banking community. The British Broadcasting Corporation's Persian-language broadcasts, with dozens of Persian-speaking BBC 'correspondents' sent into even the smallest village, drummed up hysteria against the Shah. The BBC gave Ayatollah Khomeini a full propaganda platform inside Iran during this time. The British government-owned broadcasting organization refused to give the Shah's government an equal chance to reply. Repeated personal appeals from the Shah to the BBC yielded no result. Anglo-American intelligence was committed to toppling the Shah. The Shah fled in January, and by February 1979, Khomeini had been flown into Tehran to proclaim the establishment of his repressive theocratic state to replace the Shah's government.

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reply to post by redoubt

So, here we are and like the years of run-up to WW2, the evil was appeased and placated in a vain effort to secure 'peace in our time'.

It was a waste then and it has been a waste now.

You’re absolutely right about this but I disagree that it too late. What has changed so drastically in the past month that made you change your mind?

I have to believe that the intelligence community won’t let us go past the point of no return. Iran doesn’t have nukes yet and I don’t think China or Russia would enter a military conflict against Iran. At least they are no more likely to now than a month or a year ago IMO.

reply to post by seabag

You seem to be promoting violence by asking for leaders to be "taken care of". This kind of hate should not be tolerated on this site. Moderators should "take care of " you.

Zionists and war apologists must be erased form the face of the world
what everyone must be working to stop it's the Zionist cancer, stop the warmongers, stop the crimes against humanity perpetrated by all the governments especially the government of the US, Israel, China etc.

posts like this only add fire to the religious extremists like Israel and Iran., both countries would be in peace if the zealots were elliminated.

reply to post by charles1952


I totally understand your point but for that to be true we would have to assume that if Iran shows conclusively that they are not going to get a nuke and have no intentions of doing so that the USA would have no reason to attack still and wouldn't.

That argument might be valid if we didn't take out Libya after they gave up there nuclear program. The fact as i see it, though I respect your opinion, is that Iran simply wants a nuke so that they get respect and the talk about invading them ends. Whether they are right or wrong, I believe they want a nuke because they feel it will be a deterring factor from them being invaded.

The only sure way to make Iran want to use a nuclear weapon would be to invade them. Just my opinion though, I realize it isn't a popular one at this time and I acknowledge i could be wrong, I just don't think I am.