Santorum 2008 : Protestants are not real Christians

Put a fork in Santorum, he's done once this get spread around.

Santorum Excommunicates 45 Million Christians: Mainline Protestants Are ‘Gone From The World Of Christianity’

In a 2008 speech at Ave Maria University, Rick Santorum, a devout Catholic, warned about the dangers of “the NBA” and “rock concerts,” but also said that while Protestants founded America, mainline Protestantism is in such “shambles” that “it is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it”:

We all know that this country was founded on a Judeo-Christian ethic but the Judeo-Christian ethic was a Protestant Judeo-Christian ethic, sure the Catholics had some influence, but this was a Protestant country and the Protestant ethic, mainstream, mainline Protestantism, and of course we look at the shape of mainline Protestantism in this country and it is in shambles, it is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it. [...]

Yeah good luck being elected. Time for Frothy Mix to go back where he belongs... in the toilet.

reply to post by Vitchilo


This is the problem with politicians! Now Im not downplaying the importance of religion, but instead of worrying about the lack of manufactoring jobs in this country, record unemployment rates, high crime and violence, fighting two protracted wars with more in the near future, special interest groups and lobbyists destroying our government, Santorum is regurgitating nonsense about heavy metal bands and the imaginary man in hell with horns and hooved feet and the pendantics between religious beliefs. Good luck, Rick!

reply to post by Vitchilo


I am in no way religious... This meaning I have no religion what so ever so don't call me athiest either... Whatever the he'll that is. Anyway... Does it really freaking matter in the grand scheme of things! Who gives a crap what someone beleves in, it's their problem. This guy is running for prez and he's worried abot what the majority of ppl believed in way back then? Why not focous on the real concrete roblems in today's society. Like the national debt, global economy, the us health care system( give your head a shake universal health care is a good thing), and the list goes on. Every war in the history of man knd stemmed from the stupidity of what someone is positive is the truth and some one else who disagrees. Why can't we justaccept that we all got here by the same means let's just wait and see what that was.

reply to post by Bls0152

Does it really freaking matter in the grand scheme of things! Who gives a crap what someone beleves in, it's their problem.

Totally agrees. But the majority of Americans believe in angels and all that stuff... so for them it matters.

And it matters what Santorum thinks... if he's a ``Battle of Armageddon, start a war in the middle-east so Jesus come back``... it matters... cause he's a nut and he got to control thousands of nukes.

Stuff like that matters :

Wow..a politician decided who is and isn't a "real" Christian.... I'm not Protestant or Catholic, but I am a Christian, and this just cracks me up. This guy is about as relevant as toast anyway, what gives him the right to determine if someone is a real Christian anyway? Oh yeah, nothing...

How did he say Protestants are not real Christians? Sounds like he is saying that the Protestant establishment is pulling away from Christianity and is in chaos which is different from saying they aren't Christian. The irony here is that Catholicism isn't in any different shape. In my run-ins with Christians (all denominations) you have the ultra-fundamentalist types that are either self-righteous or delusional, or you have the type that call themselves Christian but practice practically none of the rituals or requirements. Most of the in-betweens aren't as vocal or hypocritical in my experience.

Catholics are the worse (my family and many of my friends are Catholic) "part time" Christians that I know - Go to Church maybe 10 times a year at most, mostly during holidays, drink, fornicate, do drugs, practice no charity etc.., yet are first in line during ash Wednesday.

I am not Christian and have nothing against the religion, but most Christians that I know concentrate on the death of Jesus rather than his life and message which IMO is totally backwards.

reply to post by Vitchilo


You know, when Ron Paul says that Santorum is fake, I don't really get it because Santorum has ALWAYS been uber-religious and homophobic. This is who he is and has been since anyone knew who he was. He may be a religious, closed-minded nut-job, but he's REAL. He's a REAL prejudiced religious nut and always has been.

If this is what the GOP wants... then "Frothy for President"!

S&F for you! I don't usually say that but it's a rare occasion.

According to Santorum, Liberals aren't Christians either...

....what a tool.

If you're Protestant, you can make up your own religion anytime you want. If you're Catholic, you can only follow the edicts of God on Earth: The Pope. So I think Santorum is trying to say that if you're going to believe BS, at least stick to the Unified BS. Otherwise, it's a religious free-for-all.

reply to post by Vitchilo

And it matters what Santorum thinks... if he's a ``Battle of Armageddon, start a war in the middle-east so Jesus come back``... it matters... cause he's a nut and he got to control thousands of nukes.

What really makes that scenario scary is he would work hand-in-hand with Zionists who also want to unleash Armageddon so they can rebuild the third temple (or is it 'rebuild the third temple so they can unleash Armageddon'?) They may say 'God will rebuild the 3rd temple' but really, it will be man, and it will be after those men nuke the rest of the Middle East into oblivion. That's the problem with Doomsday Prophecy believers, they make it a self-fulfilling prophecy through their own actions.


reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

You know, when Ron Paul says that Santorum is fake, I don't really get it because Santorum has ALWAYS been uber-religious and homophobic. This is who he is and has been since anyone knew who he was. He may be a religious, closed-minded nut-job, but he's REAL. He's a REAL prejudiced religious nut and always has been.

He may be a REAL prejudiced religious nut, but he's still a FAKE human being. As far as being 'uber-religious' - I don't think so - he's just uber-opportunist, and religion is the easiest path to power in Rethuglican politics.

Protestants are not real Christians .... ???? That's NOT what he said.

This is the SECOND time today that someone has misquoted Santorum and used
'thinkprogress.org' as the site ....

Santorum Excommunicates 45 Million Christians: Mainline Protestants Are ‘Gone From The World Of Christianity’

also said that while Protestants founded America, mainline Protestantism is in such “shambles” that “it is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it”:.

'gone from the world of Christianity AS I SEE IT' ... he was commenting on how the protestants in general aren't faithful to their respective religions as they used to be. He says the same thing about Catholics. And he's right. Many modern day Protestants and Catholics are nothing like their brethren of way back when the country was founded.

Back in the day .... christians wouldn't have abortions, they wouldn't advocate homosexual rights, they wouldn't be wearing provocative clothing, they made sure to go to church services or Mass, they were more respectful of the elderly, etc etc.

And he's right .. the old 'protestant work ethic' is now hard to find in this country.

I don't know why this would come as a surprise to anyone.
Typical 'devout Catholic' rhetoric:
IT IS WHAT THEY TEACH IN THE CHURCH.

I learned that the hard way...

I moved to upstate NY when I was seven years old- where it's pretty much all Roman Catholics and Jews-
from coastal North Carolina- having been raised (and still am) as a non-denominational Christian.

I was bullied FOR YEARS in elementary school for NOT being Catholic.

It started on the bus ride home from my FIRST day of FIRST grade,
and I remember it like it was yesterday-

a girl who lived just a few houses down from me (and my same age) began the witch hunt with six words:
"You're going to Hell ya know."

And I looked at her shocked and said, "HUH?"
She said "because you're not Catholic. You're damned and God doesn't love you."
Then the rest of the kids on the back half of the bus started joining in chanting "you're going to Hell" over and over.
I managed to fight off tears til I got home.
I was 7 years old.

EVEN THEIR PARENTS began spreading rumors about me and my family, saying we were in the KKK- "because we were from the South"
?!
And kids started calling me a Nazi at school.
I didn't even know what the hell that meant?!
This was JUST THE START.

AND ALL BECAUSE I WAS NOT CATHOLIC.

***And just for the record- I've been to MANY Catholic masses, Sunday School sessions, and all that jazz
I've even been front and center at the Vatican's Easter Mass with the Pope THREE TIMES.

(random side note- The Vatican is gorgeous- Rome is incredible- the entire country is...Italy totally stole my heart *sighhhh*)

Well, after all my experience with and research on the Catholic church,
I have to say...
Thanks, but no thanks.
I'll pass.
They can keep their self-righteous hate & bigotry- as they continue to turn their proverbial 'other cheeks' to all those pedophiles running rampant in the Church.

IMO- The Catholic Church is a blatant exploitation and perversion of the Christian faith and Jesus, all in the name of Power and politics.
NOT in the name of God.

Judas:Jesus
as
the Catholic Church:Christianity.

***PLEASE NOTE: my use of the Catholic Church, NOT Catholics****

Originally posted by FlyersFan
'gone from the world of Christianity AS I SEE IT' ... he was commenting on how the protestants in general aren't faithful to their respective religions as they used to be. He says the same thing about Catholics. And he's right. Many modern day Protestants and Catholics are nothing like their brethren of way back when the country was founded.

Your defense is that he is not actually excommunicating them (because he cannot anyway, that is just absurd to begin with) but he is simply passing judgement on entire groups of people based on what religion they are. That is better?

reply to post by ltinycdancerg


So... you're going to say "typical for all devout Catholics" based on your experience with some playground bullying?

Well that's certainly a broad perspective... (sarc)

No... it's not typical... it's the exception.

reply to post by Blarneystoner


It is what they teach.
Like I said- I've been there and heard it with my own ears, many times.

Take it up with them.
Not me.

You are just following me around today ... guess you like getting cyber spanked

Originally posted by LErickson
Your defense is

'Defense' ..?? No ... 'defense'. Just facts.
The OP quoted a far left source and they misquoted what Santorum said.
He never said 'protestants are not real christians'
Are YOU defending the fact that the news source (and the OP) entirely misquoted someone?
Misquoted .. thus presenting falsehoods?
Or is that okay because it goes along with your own bias?

he is simply passing judgement on entire groups of people based on what religion they are.

He is making an observation that people who are christians do not behave like christians used to.
It's an observation. And, like it or not, he's correct. I gave just a few examples.

Originally posted by ltinycdancerg
reply to post by Blarneystoner

 

It is what they teach.
Like I said- I've been there and heard it with my own ears, many times.

Take it up with them.
Not me.

No it's not what they teach... the official word is that the Catholic Church believes that other Christian religions are incomplete and imperfect but still Christian none-the-less,

What you hear from individuals is not doctrine... and I'm taking it up with you because you have expressed it here.

ETA - It's a shame that you had to endure the taunts and bullying from children on the playground and I can understand why you would be angry about it. But to make a general statement saying that Santorum's views are typical is simply false.

Originally posted by Blarneystoner

Originally posted by ltinycdancerg
reply to post by Blarneystoner

 

It is what they teach.
Like I said- I've been there and heard it with my own ears, many times.

Take it up with them.
Not me.

No it's not what they teach... the official word is that the Catholic Church believes that other Christian religions are incomplete and imperfect but still Christian none-the-less,

What you hear from individuals is not doctrine... and I'm taking it up with you because you have expressed it here.

ETA - It's a shame that you had to endure the taunts and bullying from children on the palyground and I can understand why you would be angry about it. But to make a general statement saying that Santorum's views are typical is simply false.

edit on 23-2-2012 by Blarneystoner because: (no reason given)

Well in that aspect they are kinda correct. Most Christians (not Catholics) know very little about the Old Testament and choose to concentrate on the New Testament. I would think knowing the root of your religion would be important. IMO if you chose to only follow the New Testament without acknowledging the roots, then you should branch out into a new religion altogether, which I think some Christians have done, knowingly or unknowlingly but have remained with the label Christian.

Catholics pray to (OT) God worship him, Christians pray to Jesus and worship Jesus. Not judging here, I have no investment in either religion it's just my observation.

reply to post by Chewingonmushrooms


God, Christ and the Holy Spirit are all one in the same according to Catholic doctrine. Catholics worship Jesus because He is considered the living God; God in the flesh. There is no deliniation. I could quote several Catholic prayers that specifically name Jesus...

Originally posted by Blarneystoner
reply to post by Chewingonmushrooms

 

God, Christ and the Holy Spirit are all one in the same according to Catholic doctrine. Catholics worship Jesus because He is considered the living God; God in the flesh. There is no deliniation. I could quote several Catholic prayers that specifically name Jesus...

Yes I understand the concept, I grew up Catholic. Differences between Catholics and Christians usually are that Christians almost always praise Jesus and Catholics praise God/Jesus/Mary/Saints. At the core they believe the same thing pretty much, but there are most certainly large differences as well almost to the point of not being considered the same religion. Muslims believe in the Old Testment and New Testment as well but aren't referred to as Christians obviously.

From my experience, Chrisitians mostly concentrate on Jesus, everything else is secondary. Catholics concentrate on Jesus as well but consider God the ultimate authority (not really his avatar form).

Sorry this is getting out of subject, the point I was trying to make is Rick is entitled to his opinion and I thought that the title was misleading. I DO NOT like Rick btw but I do not agree with anything that is borderline manipulative especially when it is based on misinformation.