Secret Space Program: Richard Dolan [Full Length]

Originally posted by discharged77
Why is this so hard for some people to believe? Do you know how powerful the United States Government is? Not to mention all of the branches CIA, FBI, NSA, Etc..? It has already been shown that this government has worked as a huge organization of money launderers for some time now, they have lied, killed, stolen, you name it. Now explain to me why i should believe one word of what these organizations say? Do you really think that if they have recovered craft and technology that they would share it with you? In 1965 the NSA was 35 years ahead of the general public with technology, god only knows how far ahead of us they are today?

Why is it so hard for some to believe? Because they do NOT want to believe.

Originally posted by Unity_99
What is typical for threads like this is, they don't get the flags and stars they deserve and so don't get attention.

Why? When the topic is SO IMPORTANT TO HUMANITY?

Its because the dark side works overtime, with many slurs, agendas, so called voice of logic, put downs, to ridicule all those speaking so people are conditioned to avoid the right information, but you know, its something that doesnt even begin to make sense, anyone with common sense will start to pay even more attention to those that are ridiculed like that.

I think you're onto something.

First, let me thank you Zcuxtosmorum for an interesting post and to you a flag and star.

Regardless of the accuracy of Mr. Dolan’s facts, I believe his intent is honest, and if he is attempting to make a living by writing books and lecturing based on the best current information, especially as a catalyst to continue his research then flags and stars for him too.

FACT: UFOs are undeniably real to millions around the world and regardless whether black projects, misidentified earth craft or wishful objects of a fertile mind I would suggest we are full of ourselves to believe anyone or thing capable of interplanetary travel would even give us a glance.

Do not become deterred by naysayers and self anointed expects, as FACT; “no one” can prove or disprove the existence of alien craft visiting earth, or any where else for that matter.

The only information which is available to be debunked by anyone falls into one of four categories, hoax, disinformation, information misinterpreted as having fact and the innocent questions of curious minds.

Closed minds should remember that most everyone, including TPTB at one time were confident the world was flat and everything orbited around the earth. Only by the curiosity and courage of those willing to risk charges of heresy and being a nut case have we learned what little we currently know, and I emphasize ‘what little’.

All these folks can actually prove is their disrespect for others and their claims of debunking information is based solely on the information sources I mention above and this of course disproves only the message, not the question or the messenger.

Oh how full of oneself oh mankind you are, open thine eyes and experience the unknown.

Originally posted by OldCurmudgeon
First, let me thank you Zcuxtosmorum for an interesting post and to you a flag and star.

Regardless of the accuracy of Mr. Dolan’s facts, I believe his intent is honest, and if he is attempting to make a living by writing books and lecturing based on the best current information, especially as a catalyst to continue his research then flags and stars for him too.

i seem to notice that whenever UFO buffs get cornered about some particularly embarrassing and flimsy U-faux story, like the space dandruff shed by shuttles for decades and enshrined on youtube and in gullible minds as alien spacecraft snooping on our astronauts, they retreat from arguing facts and resort to philosophical smokescreens about people once throught the earth was flat, so of course today any new idea will always eventually triumph over the constipated intellects.

the laugh, or course, is on them -- since when it came to the shape of the Earth, Columbus was wrong and Isabella's scholar were spot on. So when you base your world view on fairy tales [whether 'flat earthers;' or the precise experts Dolan has opted to trust]. you wind up enshrouded in phantasms and self delusion.

..but it feels so-o-o-o-o good to think oneself smarter than the old f*rts who cling to time-tested models of the universe until logic -- not strutting posers -- alters them. And so much easier than understanding real science, or real spaceflight, or real perceptual/mnemonic theory. So easy...

Star and flag to the OP.
I love this presentation.
I've watched it six or seven times since last summer.
He's a great historian and researcher.

Originally posted by JimOberg

Originally posted by OldCurmudgeon
First, let me thank you Zcuxtosmorum for an interesting post and to you a flag and star.

Regardless of the accuracy of Mr. Dolan’s facts, I believe his intent is honest, and if he is attempting to make a living by writing books and lecturing based on the best current information, especially as a catalyst to continue his research then flags and stars for him too.

i seem to notice that whenever UFO buffs get cornered about some particularly embarrassing and flimsy U-faux story, like the space dandruff shed by shuttles for decades and enshrined on youtube and in gullible minds as alien spacecraft snooping on our astronauts, they retreat from arguing facts and resort to philosophical smokescreens about people once throught the earth was flat, so of course today any new idea will always eventually triumph over the constipated intellects.

the laugh, or course, is on them -- since when it came to the shape of the Earth, Columbus was wrong and Isabella's scholar were spot on. So when you base your world view on fairy tales [whether 'flat earthers;' or the precise experts Dolan has opted to trust]. you wind up enshrouded in phantasms and self delusion.

..but it feels so-o-o-o-o good to think oneself smarter than the old f*rts who cling to time-tested models of the universe until logic -- not strutting posers -- alters them. And so much easier than understanding real science, or real spaceflight, or real perceptual/mnemonic theory. So easy...

No delusion here Jim and not in a corner either, just simple reinforcement to someone who possibly isn't used to the self annoited experts on ATS... BTW... please don't waste your time attempting comedy as you have no craft..
You are welcome to your opinion regardless of being right or wrong, but the truth is, "YOU" cannot prove there are not extra terrestrial craft as I cannot prove there are so I would suggest you employ your smoke and mirrors elsewhere.
And as a matter of fact I have taught science Jim so you are WRONG as I am educated in general scienes, and I have never suggested or alluded to any formal science education beyond that point, as a matter of fact, my masters is not in the field of science as it paid far too little.
But you are correct, although I have flown in many of the past and present aircraft, I have never been on a 'real spaceflight and I find it unlikely you have either, unless you desk chair flies.
Mental imagery... interesting... but as debateable as ufo themselves...

Originally posted by Gazrok
reply to post by discharged77

 

Why is this so hard for some people to believe? Do you know how powerful the United States Government is?

Because eventually, advances make it first into defense contractors' hands, and then into the general public. Also, the technology gap between the military and the private sector has been SHRINKING not increasing in recent years. So, it would seem illogical to me that we'd have technology of our own, even if derived from alien tech, that has capabilities any more than 15 years more advanced than in the private sector.

That tech would have trickled down over the years, even if just a drizzle. Now, that said, I do think we have recovered tech, and that we've been able to do SOME things with it, that led to SOME advances...but I would think we're pretty far from duplicating interstellar transit, or we'd be a LOT more advanced than we are right now (and, the nation that had such tech could simply tell the rest of the world to piss off, as we wouldn't need them for resources any longer).

Nice post Gazrok... it is a shame we're likely never to understand the 'recovered technology'...

If there was a secret space program, I wonder what its mission could be. Not scientific exploration. We already have an agency that does that. Global tactical domination of space? Unless there's another country out there somewhere with an equally secret space program, I don't see where that's really a concern. I don't imagine that it's a manned space program. What would be the point of that, when the unmanned systems we already have in place apparently work perfectly well? Otherwise, the stuff we already know about is overtly doing the job, so what would be the need for a covert project? Who are we fighting? What is the threat?

It just doesn't make any sense. I imagine that the only real secret space activity we have are maybe a batch of remote killer satellites with relatively advanced maneuvering and attack capabilities to knock out "enemy" communications satellites if need be. But anybody could easily guess we have that in place. So it's almost not even secret.

Maybe it's all designed to take out the ISS if they decide to go rogue and declare themselves a sovereign nation.

Originally posted by OldCurmudgeon

Originally posted by Gazrok
That tech would have trickled down over the years, even if just a drizzle. Now, that said, I do think we have recovered tech, and that we've been able to do SOME things with it, that led to SOME advances...but I would think we're pretty far from duplicating interstellar transit, or we'd be a LOT more advanced than we are right now (and, the nation that had such tech could simply tell the rest of the world to piss off, as we wouldn't need them for resources any longer).

Nice post Gazrok... it is a shame we're likely never to understand the 'recovered technology'...

If the more fringey reports are accurate, it would be pretty hard for us to make sense out of something that isn't even entirely real, as we understand reality. For the past 500 years or so, we've been mostly nuts-and-bolts oriented. Pretty difficult for us to figure out how to "wish" ourselves between stars or to some other temporal reference frame. It would also be hard to determine a "practical" application for such a thing. Once you have all time and space at your command, why fight wars? Where is the money to be made?

Originally posted by Blue Shift
If there was a secret space program, I wonder what its mission could be. Not scientific exploration. We already have an agency that does that. Global tactical domination of space? Unless there's another country out there somewhere with an equally secret space program, I don't see where that's really a concern. I don't imagine that it's a manned space program. What would be the point of that, when the unmanned systems we already have in place apparently work perfectly well? Otherwise, the stuff we already know about is overtly doing the job, so what would be the need for a covert project? Who are we fighting? What is the threat?

It just doesn't make any sense. I imagine that the only real secret space activity we have are maybe a batch of remote killer satellites with relatively advanced maneuvering and attack capabilities to knock out "enemy" communications satellites if need be. But anybody could easily guess we have that in place. So it's almost not even secret.

Maybe it's all designed to take out the ISS if they decide to go rogue and declare themselves a sovereign nation.

Hey blueshift...
I realize this is a little far out sounding and reaching somewhat into the gray area, but I have for quite sometime now believed that a select group of top scientists and government representitives have came to the conclusion that, not because of any 2012 crap or any other mythology but due solely to the best science available that it is highly likely there will be an ELE in earths near future, e.g. my guess the next 100 to 1,000 years.
Don't ask for source material as this idea was gleaned from reading hundreds, possibly thousands of articles over the past five years or so, varying in nature from funding to universities to an apparent sudden urge or need to search for and find distant planets similiar to the earth.
I could be way off and know I don't dance around fires naked chanting to the moon... I just wanted to pitch the idea out there.
As I said ATSers, I can't support my idea with source material so I certainly cannot debate it or defend it other than it is an idea of mine.
I suggest there is a race to find, prepare and begin to populate another planet in order to save mankind.

Originally posted by OldCurmudgeon
I realize this is a little far out sounding and reaching somewhat into the gray area, but I have for quite sometime now believed that a select group of top scientists and government representitives have came to the conclusion that, not because of any 2012 crap or any other mythology but due solely to the best science available that it is highly likely there will be an ELE in earths near future, e.g. my guess the next 100 to 1,000 years. [...]
I suggest there is a race to find, prepare and begin to populate another planet in order to save mankind.

I understand that such an event could happen at any time. Asteroid. Solar flare. Some other unforeseen catastrophe. And my personal opinion is that humanity in its current form is not likely to survive another 1,000 years, anyway, due to genetic manipulation and the rise of artificial intelligence.

I've always thought that there was a kind of hidden Nazi-like longing by members of the U.S. space program -- both overt and covert -- for selective scale space colonization, where the "elite" (white) could start a new Utopian (white) society. I suppose a secret space program could have that as its ultimate goal. But again, if they already have the technology to go to another New Earth or alternate timeline, what are they waiting for?

Originally posted by Blue Shift

Originally posted by OldCurmudgeon
I realize this is a little far out sounding and reaching somewhat into the gray area, but I have for quite sometime now believed that a select group of top scientists and government representitives have came to the conclusion that, not because of any 2012 crap or any other mythology but due solely to the best science available that it is highly likely there will be an ELE in earths near future, e.g. my guess the next 100 to 1,000 years. [...]
I suggest there is a race to find, prepare and begin to populate another planet in order to save mankind.

I understand that such an event could happen at any time. Asteroid. Solar flare. Some other unforeseen catastrophe. And my personal opinion is that humanity in its current form is not likely to survive another 1,000 years, anyway, due to genetic manipulation and the rise of artificial intelligence.

I've always thought that there was a kind of hidden Nazi-like longing by members of the U.S. space program -- both overt and covert -- for selective scale space colonization, where the "elite" (white) could start a new Utopian (white) society. I suppose a secret space program could have that as its ultimate goal. But again, if they already have the technology to go to another New Earth or alternate timeline, what are they waiting for?

I don't think we currently have the technology to take human seeds to another planet yet, but I think they believe by the time we actually find an acceptable planet and we will have that technology to at least send robotics to begin preparing for the arrival of humans.

Originally posted by OldCurmudgeon
First, let me thank you Zcuxtosmorum for an interesting post and to you a flag and star.

Regardless of the accuracy of Mr. Dolan’s facts, I believe his intent is honest, and if he is attempting to make a living by writing books and lecturing based on the best current information, especially as a catalyst to continue his research then flags and stars for him too.

FACT: UFOs are undeniably real to millions around the world and regardless whether black projects, misidentified earth craft or wishful objects of a fertile mind I would suggest we are full of ourselves to believe anyone or thing capable of interplanetary travel would even give us a glance.

Do not become deterred by naysayers and self anointed expects, as FACT; “no one” can prove or disprove the existence of alien craft visiting earth, or any where else for that matter.

The only information which is available to be debunked by anyone falls into one of four categories, hoax, disinformation, information misinterpreted as having fact and the innocent questions of curious minds.

Closed minds should remember that most everyone, including TPTB at one time were confident the world was flat and everything orbited around the earth. Only by the curiosity and courage of those willing to risk charges of heresy and being a nut case have we learned what little we currently know, and I emphasize ‘what little’.

All these folks can actually prove is their disrespect for others and their claims of debunking information is based solely on the information sources I mention above and this of course disproves only the message, not the question or the messenger.

Oh how full of oneself oh mankind you are, open thine eyes and experience the unknown.

You're welcome mate, glad you enjoyed the post and as a return compliment, your post above is excellent and I agree whole heartedly with your words. One of mankinds biggest flaws and it shows no sign of disappating is arrogance. I for one, do not believe that we are the owners of this galactic backyard, despite the fact a lot of people seem to think they do, but of course, I can't prove that.

Originally posted by OldCurmudgeon

Originally posted by JimOberg

Originally posted by OldCurmudgeon
First, let me thank you Zcuxtosmorum for an interesting post and to you a flag and star.

Regardless of the accuracy of Mr. Dolan’s facts, I believe his intent is honest, and if he is attempting to make a living by writing books and lecturing based on the best current information, especially as a catalyst to continue his research then flags and stars for him too.

i seem to notice that whenever UFO buffs get cornered about some particularly embarrassing and flimsy U-faux story, like the space dandruff shed by shuttles for decades and enshrined on youtube and in gullible minds as alien spacecraft snooping on our astronauts, they retreat from arguing facts and resort to philosophical smokescreens about people once throught the earth was flat, so of course today any new idea will always eventually triumph over the constipated intellects.

the laugh, or course, is on them -- since when it came to the shape of the Earth, Columbus was wrong and Isabella's scholar were spot on. So when you base your world view on fairy tales [whether 'flat earthers;' or the precise experts Dolan has opted to trust]. you wind up enshrouded in phantasms and self delusion.

..but it feels so-o-o-o-o good to think oneself smarter than the old f*rts who cling to time-tested models of the universe until logic -- not strutting posers -- alters them. And so much easier than understanding real science, or real spaceflight, or real perceptual/mnemonic theory. So easy...

No delusion here Jim and not in a corner either, just simple reinforcement to someone who possibly isn't used to the self annoited experts on ATS... BTW... please don't waste your time attempting comedy as you have no craft..
You are welcome to your opinion regardless of being right or wrong, but the truth is, "YOU" cannot prove there are not extra terrestrial craft as I cannot prove there are so I would suggest you employ your smoke and mirrors elsewhere.
And as a matter of fact I have taught science Jim so you are WRONG as I am educated in general scienes, and I have never suggested or alluded to any formal science education beyond that point, as a matter of fact, my masters is not in the field of science as it paid far too little.
But you are correct, although I have flown in many of the past and present aircraft, I have never been on a 'real spaceflight and I find it unlikely you have either, unless you desk chair flies.
Mental imagery... interesting... but as debateable as ufo themselves...

I was going to reply to your comments but decided not to since your comments result from a mind that thinks that it knows what it's talking about, with no room to learn anything new, and Jim replied expressing some of my thoughts, except for the shuttle dandruff which will always be a bone of contention not only with me but a lot of different thinking individuals.

You support Dolan not realizing that Dolan doesn't offer anything new as he can't since there is nothing new. There have always been individuals such as Dolan who hit the archives and collect OLD information and present it in new clothes. Additionally, in his presentation he throws in everything including the kitchen sink. He shows photos of hoaxes, he shows photos of downright misidentification, he shows photos of objects that are not UFOs (rods!), he supports Richard Hoagland, and there is more to criticize. But like Adam Sandler who is one of the worst people called an actor but who nevertheless attracts admirers Dolan has done similar for himself. But it's the new blood of tyro "UFOlogists" who are attracted by a good salespitchman. Whatever Dolan has accomplished, he did it on the blood of others who gave him the database to which nothing really new has been added.

Repeat after me: "There's nothing new in UFOlogy". Same ol', same ol'.

reply to post by Zcustosmorum


Thanks for posting the OP video. I watched it yesterday. It's an hour & 44 minutes long, so I thought I'd watch half of it, and the final half today. But once I started watching it, it had me hooked -- so I watched the whole thing in one sitting, then gave you a S&F.

It's true that I had already either read or heard of most of the material he presented, but I enjoyed the clarity of his presentation. I wouldn't mind watching it again, when I have more time.

Dolan mentioned a couple of books I'd like to check out: "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" and "Blank Spots on the Map." I noticed more videos on this thread -- I will check those out.

I don't have any problems believing we have a Secret Space Program. Jim Keith's "The Casebook for Alternative 3" is worth reading.

I just don't believe Disclosure is going to happen anytime soon. What's the incentive for the US government to come out with, "BTW we've been lying to our citizens for the last 60+ years"?

The privateers want to milk every advantage out of the advanced secret tech they have.

Disclosure would create more problems I think. There are people who would completely freak. I mean I know lots of people who believe Oswald was the lone gunman, UFO's are all swamp gas or ice chips, and there is no reason to question the official 9/11 story. It's incredible, but true.

Shrike... wrong, wrong... lol... you have completely misread me as I have spent years learning something new everyday and will the rest of my life. Yet I early on recognized man being extremely full of himself.
My hunger to learn was instilled in me by my family and they also taught me not to stifle myself by becoming overly focused in one area.
My support in this post was initially for the OP and a comment about Dolan as he does "appear"??? (possibly a misconception on my part) to sometimes be sincere, regardless of whether being misguided.
I watched ATS at a distance for a long time before even becoming involved and promised myself it could be some fun to read and post and there certainly must be others with my curiosities and a chance to learn new information.
I also recognized that although there appeared to be research and friendly debate, there also were others.
I continued my learning experience in a long successful business career and listend first, and embraced all who I could learn from, but if crap were pitched, then duck and pitch some back. (again, not pointed at you).
I am the first to accept 'adult' criticism and critique and often the last to give it unless asked, and when Jim responded with his post I could read it as little else than self serving criticism.
I do not personally know you, or anyother person on this site, and likely will never, so Jim, or you or anyone else is no more a proven authority than say, a Richard Dolan. Everyone has the right the right to their opinon but being rude and obnoxius and or argumentative causes me to press on in search of mutual respect and a want to learn.
Now usually, I would have just ignored Jim's post, laughed and moved on, but I was a little bad and decided to screw with him a little as I had little else to do for a while. Shame on me... my apologies to Jim for 'that'.
Now, if his intent was not what I characterized his post as, then my apologies again, and all is well and lets move on, no harm no foul.
But to be frank, again I know neither you, Jim or anyone else here and as ATS doesn't post expert of novice alongside anyone's name, then I really have no reason to yet accept anyone at face value as expert.
And frankly, after watching ATS from a distance for quite some time, and learning by this observation I can tell you that because a person is posting on ATS it does not confer wisdom or correctness.
Now from here, I would much rather have fun, read, learn, research and contribute when possible, and if you wish to share your information and experience I would be more than happy to soak it up. If you do not, then that is fine also.
But if you want to be condescending and arguementative then I have no use for you and I say, BYE.

Respectfully

this was already covered on an episode of stargate sg-1. nothing new here people lol

reply to post by Zcustosmorum


I have met this guy in person, and he is quite brilliant. He seems to be completely sincere about the subject. My main thing is Mars but I do UFO's too. He packs them in.
When he has his local lectures he goes into meticulous detail about UFO's. Having seen a few of those for myself I am convinced that some UFO's are for real. This video will be well worth watching.

reply to post by OldCurmudgeon


I criticized your support of Dolan, as many have done on this thread since it's easy to see through him, and also your support of UFOs as ET craft coming here from who knows where in the universe without any evidence to support such a POV. It's no big deal for those who are criticized to reply as you did, that's what gives this forum the "vitality" it enjoys.

We see life through different eyes and there's always a fork in our road.

If I hurt your feelings, I apologize.

Originally posted by Blue Shift

I agree! That would be awesome. I'm personally fond of the notion that there's an efficient, effective, secret space program operating out there somewhere that's continuing to push the boundaries of exploration with advanced technologies and interesting missions.

But then when I think about all the very highly educated and experienced people who would need to be involved in such a thing, about the massive infrastructure it would take, how difficult it would be for large rockets to launch without being noticed by somebody, and how curious it is that out of the tens of thousands of people working for or supplying the project not one of them has come forth to spill the beans... well...

...I would strongly suggest that you are taking a rather antiquated view point, something very 1980s.

Think this way. In 1980, we were place "X" concerning deep black (space) projects. Add increasing amounts of money, technology...apply a significant acceleration rate in the latter...where would that place us in the 21st Century?