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Originally posted by jjf3rd77
reply to post by sageofmonticello
I don't know how I am playing the victim. So questioning He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named is now seen as inferior? Victims are usually helpless and hurt by bullies are you calling yourself a bully?
Please tell me what exactly you don't agree with me on and I will try to elaborate. I think I brought up some pretty good questions and concerns which you have yet to address. I will be waiting for your response.
So I can't question He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named? It's insulting to you that I am not his supporter? Why is this?
But did you read any of the questions/concerns that I have methinks not? You were just quick to attack me personally.
So questioning He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named is now seen as inferior?
Originally posted by jjf3rd77
And I am trying to have a civil debate without drinking the Paul Kool Aid bias screaming on his website. If another republican was surging on this website and found easily manipulating their own polls to make it look like they were winning I would question their poll numbers as well. As would you all!
Originally posted by Indellkoffer
Originally posted by sageofmonticello
Total Delegates (IA, NH, SC, FL, NV, MN, CO, ME)
Romney: 93 (6, 7, 2, 50, 14, 2, 7, 5)
Paul: 82 (13, 3, 0, 0, 5, 28, 17, 16)
Gingrich: 29 (0, 0, 23, 0, 6, 0, 0, 0)
Santorum: 25 (6, 0, 0, 0, 3, 7, 9, 0)
Unpledged: 14 (3, 2, 0, 0, 0, 3, 3, 3)
Someone's indulging in a bout of wishful thinking. They're assuming that all the 'unpledged' delegates (whether from caucuses or elections) are all going to fall behind Ron Paul -- for no other reason than "the Daily Paul site supports Ron Paul."
We could also say that using the same metrics, Romney's got 155 delegates and Ron has 20.
Or Gingrich has 91 and Paul has 20
Or Santorum has 87 and Paul has 20.
Here's the latest, untwiddled figuresedit on 21-2-2012 by Indellkoffer because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by jjf3rd77
reply to post by Wookiep
So I can't question He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named? It's insulting to you that I am not his supporter? Why is this? Every supporter has asked me this question. Why can't I just question him outright? Why do I need to explain all of my political views to every single person who asks me this question after I attack He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named? He is not a God nor a dictator. I have every right to question this bias on his website and campaign. I don't have to explain myself to you or anybody. I do not need to jump on this train nor anyone's train. I don't even think the Republicans are going to win this year, sadly.
I question the MSM too, but those numbers are more aligned with each other's than DailyPaul. Seems to me like they (Paul campaign) are the ones lying.
However, let's just say, the people I want in the White House are not in the race or have already dropped out.
edit on 21-2-2012 by jjf3rd77 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by jjf3rd77
And I am trying to have a civil debate without drinking the Paul Kool Aid bias screaming on his website. If another republican was surging on this website and found easily manipulating their own polls to make it look like they were winning I would question their poll numbers as well. As would you all!
Originally posted by jjf3rd77
reply to post by sageofmonticello
The only problem with your assumptions and sensationalism is that I was not directing the insulting quote at you. I already resolved that with someone else. You really need to learn how to read ATS better then if you think everything on this thread is personally directed at you or that questioning everything politicians do is bad.
Originally posted by eLPresidente
As a Ron Paul supporter, I wouldn't count the delegates until they've been FINALLY awarded at the state level.
That being said, nobody knows the real count except for the amount that has been officially awarded, not even the MSM can count this...sadly...
Originally posted by eLPresidente
As a Ron Paul supporter, I wouldn't count the delegates until they've been FINALLY awarded at the state level.
That being said, nobody knows the real count except for the amount that has been officially awarded, not even the MSM can count this...sadly...
Originally posted by jjf3rd77
reply to post by sageofmonticello
So, how is me questioning the data on the site wrong but him questioning the data on the site right? I don't get it? Do you only agree with Paul supporters?
Originally posted by sageofmonticello
Originally posted by eLPresidente
As a Ron Paul supporter, I wouldn't count the delegates until they've been FINALLY awarded at the state level.
That being said, nobody knows the real count except for the amount that has been officially awarded, not even the MSM can count this...sadly...
I agree. There is something to be said about counting your chickens before they hatch. I think this all just comes down to who do you want to believe and who do you feel is being more dis-ingenious.
I will take Ron Pauls word over the MSM any day of the week. But you are right, the delegates that exist now will only be voting for more delegates in the future. Personally I won't believe any delegate count until the national convention is over. Star from me as you made a good and relevant point. At least by my measure. Thanks for chiming in with your thoughts.edit on 21-2-2012 by sageofmonticello because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by jjf3rd77
Originally posted by eLPresidente
As a Ron Paul supporter, I wouldn't count the delegates until they've been FINALLY awarded at the state level.
That being said, nobody knows the real count except for the amount that has been officially awarded, not even the MSM can count this...sadly...
I usually don't agree with you but this time I can. Wow! Interesting...haha
and finally jjf3rd77, now that you are on my thread, perhaps you would like to take the time and give us all an actual explanation why you are so militantly against Ron Paul and discount everything anyone says about him.
Anyhow I await your biased, self contradicting and insulting response. Should be good for a laugh.
some of the things that you say and the insults you throw at people it seems more then fine for people to ask you to explain yourself.
I have addressed this all with you multiple times ad nauseam. I have given you examples and I have acknowledged every reply you have sent to me. I don't expect you to understand what I am writing to you now as you have not done so yet. I am really getting tired of re-explaining myself to you. You can either move on or keep at it, I no longer care. Goodnight.
Let's just both agree that we were in a hotted debate.
Originally posted by sageofmonticello
reply to post by jjf3rd77
I have tried dialogue with you on many other occasions. You don't get a fresh start for every thread you participate in, your reputation follows you. Despite that fact, I did give you the chance in this thread to start over anyhow and you proved once again that your reputation precedes you quite correctly long before I spoke a word to you in this thread.
I really am quite tired of bickering with you. Perhaps you have nothing better to do but I would prefer to talk about something of substance. Preferably with someone with manners.
Once again, and for the last time. You can either move on or keep at it, I no longer care. Goodnight.edit on 21-2-2012 by sageofmonticello because: (no reason given)