Colonel Fletcher Prouty Discusses Secret U.S. Air Force UFO Office at the Pentagon

Originally posted by andy1972
For those of us who know little about the good colonel and would like to know more...try reading l Fletcher Prouty, fearless truth teller or crackpot here., its a comprehensive list of his ermmmm....mistakes.

I'm assuming that you know that the link you gave is run by John McAdams.
McAdams is/was an Associate Professor of Political Science at Marquette University (a Catholic - Jesuit school).

His "hobby" is debunking JFK conspiracies, so that should give everyone an idea of what his agenda is.

Some have accused McAdams of being a CIA shill. I don't know about that, but I'm certain he's an Establishment shill -- like Gerald Posner. Oswald acted alone, blah, blah, blah -- sheeple go back to sleep.

It's interesting that his site on debunking JFK conspiracies is "tolerated" by Marquette U.
How strange. Do you think their sponsor might be invested in maintaining the status quo?

reply to post by IsaacKoi


Thanks for the reply Issac and for posting a better quality copy of the video interview, I looked around the link you provided but could only find a copy of the original report posted in the OP - thanks also for the heads up about the Timothy Good intervew - the story he reccounts is the same although he does mention Commanders in his position all over the world also received the top secret memorandum ordering them to post the aircrew's sworn statements to a certain office in the Pentagon.

Page 205-206.

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As I mentioned in the first post with the Wiki link, he was quite an outspoken and controversial chap and maybe his views on the murder of an American president and other subjects does detract from his reccounting of the Honoluu/Tokyo UFO incident....or mentioning that he had to then set aside twelve rooms with twelve different interrogators to interview the air crew etc..

He addresses the subject of 'disinformation and slander on the Internet' (as he sees it) here but, as the content has very little to do with UFOs or USAF investgations into the subject, I thought linking Quaneeri's thread was the best thing to do.

Cheers.

Originally posted by ChakaBoy
This is a classic story!
Claiming the object was black ops government craft back in 1954 doesn't seem plausible to me, considering the flight characteristics reported, among other reasons..

Speaking to the actual crew on the flight is obviously the key to all of this. I'm still reserving judgment in this case, however, I am leaning towards the side of validity.

ChakaBoy, some good points there mate and there are quite a few similar pilot UFO reports taken from one or two years earlier around the sea of Japan at this thread although it's a shame Colonel Prouty doesn't provide a date or exact location for the incident - 1954 was a big year for UFO reports though and NICAP's Francis Ridge makes some interesting points below, there's also several cases from Japan and one incident where an aircrew flying out of Hawaii witnessed a UFO moving parallel with their aircraft before departing at high speed.

This was the year of the Walesville crash, the BOAC case, the Sea Fury incident, and the famous Bermuda radar case, and many others. A significant number of unusual sightings occurred in Europe during what has become known as the "Great Wave of 1954" Much of this wave has already been documented in UFO literature, but what was not known until the release of the CIA files is the fact that the CIA collected many of the sightings through normal intelligence channels, something which they had supposedly fought to block with the Robertson Panel inquiry.

1954 UFO Chronology and the Great Wave of 1954

Also found it interesting that these implementations for collating pilot UFO testmony were reported in the same year as Colonel Prouty's (alleged) top secret memo:

Feb. 23

Scripps-Howard papers said that "the nation's 8500 commercial airline pilots have been seeing a lot of unusual objects while flying at night, here and overseas." Plans for a detailed reporting system were agreed upon so Air Force jets could quickly investigate. Each airline was to have an "internal security specialist" for liaison between civilian and military organizations.

March 10

Joint Army Navy Air Publication 146 (C). Communication Instructions for Reporting Vital Intelligence Sightings from airborne and waterborne sources.

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Cheers.

Originally posted by karl 12
reply to post by IsaacKoi

 

Thanks for the reply Issac and for posting a better quality copy of the video interview, I looked around the link you provided but could only find a copy of the original report posted in the OP - thanks also for the heads up about the Timothy Good intervew - the story he reccounts is the same although he does mention Commanders in his position all over the world also received the top secret memorandum ordering them to post the aircrew's sworn statements to a certain office in the Pentagon....
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As I mentioned in the first post with the Wiki link, he was quite an outspoken and controversial chap and maybe his views on the murder of an American president and other subjects does detract from his reccounting of the Honoluu/Tokyo UFO incident....or mentioning that he had to then set aside twelve rooms with twelve different interrogators to interview the air crew etc..

He addresses the subject of 'disinformation and slander on the Internet' (as he sees it) here but, as the content has very little to do with UFOs or USAF investgations into the subject, I thought linking Quaneeri's thread was the best thing to do.

Cheers.

Thank you for the link where Prouty.org has a chance to refute McAdams & others.

Originally posted by AuranVector

Thank you for the link where Prouty.org has a chance to refute McAdams & others.

AuranVector, no problem and I appreciate what you're saying about John McAdam's agenda -Colonel Prouty does make some interesting claims about the CIA and they've certainly got a sordid history when it comes to the UFO subject, even when they state they have 'no interest in UFOs' (link).

For people that are interested, there's a good chart below compiled by Michael D. Swords which looks at the staff structure of the Pentagon's Directorate of Intelligence as it was in 1948, it states it was undergoing reorganization up until two years before Col Prouty's (alleged) memorandum -there's also some relevant material here concerning Major General George Cabell and the destroyed minutes of a Pentagon UFO meeting.


Chart:

The Pentagon's Directorate of Intelligence was undergoing reorganization in 1947­/1952. Much change also occurred in the executive positions of AFOIN, AFOAI, and its branches. The chart below is representative of the type of structure and staff as it was in the 1948 Project Sign period

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Pentagon UFO meeting - minutes destroyed:

After the Fort Monmouth, NJ, radar sightings (which started on Sept 10, 1951), the Air Force held a meeting at the Pentagon. General Cabell presided over the meeting, and it was attended by his entire staff plus Lieutenant Cummings, Lieutenant Colonel Rosengarten, and a special representative from Republic Aircraft Corporation. The man from Republic supposedly represented a group of top U.S. industrialists and scientists who thought that there should be a lot more sensible answers coming from the Air Force regarding UFOs.

"Every word of the two-hour meeting was recorded on a wire recorder. The recording was so hot that it was later destroyed, but not before I had heard it several times......it didn't exactly follow the tone of the official Air Force releases--many of the people present at the meeting weren't as convinced that the 'hoax, hallucination, and misidentification' answer was quite as positive as the Grudge Report and subsequent press releases made out."

Captain Edward J Ruppelt - Chief of Project Bluebook.

Cheers.