A key part of WW3 missing - Australia

Originally posted by cassandranova
Even in the worst case scenario, I like Australia's chances.

The American Navy is formidable, and a good first line of defense. But let's pretend the Chi-Coms could take out all the surface fleet. There's still the problem that you can't conduct an invasion without a massive landing and that would require them having air supremacy. I don't think America's Navy and Air Force are both going down, and I suspect Australia along with some UK support can handle their own in those areas, especially as China would have to stage from their homeland.

That said, China isn't going to war over Iran. /thread

Well I like many Australians don't like Australia's chances, everyone in America and Europe for some reason seems to think Australia is impenetrable to invasion. You don't have your enemies in your backyard, Australia does, and if war breaks out in the middle east it most certainly spiral out of control (especially if it is nuclear).
What UK support?
The UK abandoned Australia to the Japanese in WW2 (something which many Australians still hate the British for), which ordinary farmhands were tasked with defending this country. And we suceeded with no British help, and very little American help.

How many people remember I beleive during Paul Keatings time as PM or was it Bob Hawke, the project for a "Over the Horizon Radar" aimed at thre Northern to "supposedly" detect an incoming enemy from very far away?

I've heard from a couple people that this was a cover for some sort of Haarp type of weapon.

Australia has high tech to defend itself as a last resort. Might not have the man power but we have the tech.

Geograpghy helps us, but once the rest of the dominoes fall geography wont mean much.

Dont forget people....Nuclear weapons are 50-60 years old now....do you seriously think that nations do not have much greater non nuclear weaponary at their disposal should the threat of annhialation be shadowing them?

Us armchair commentators really do not have a clue what is out there or what can/will happen.

All I know is any invading force will have a hard time.

Logistics would be a nightmare for them.

As long as us Aussies can quickly implement a Guerilla campaign before the invading force can setup their logistics requirments permanantly then there might be a chance...but then again, we'd be called the terrorist.

To all intents and purposes...Australia IS The U.S....

In battle scenarios during the last world war, the top U.S. general pretty much had the final word on what Aussie troops were doing...Australia is tied to the U.S. in some interesting ways...

The two countries are almost the same 'age', independance-wise, also, both countries all but annihilated the native population to claim it as its own...

In closing, Australia - is America (with the charade of separation).

Akushla

Originally posted by akushla99
To all intents and purposes...Australia IS The U.S....

In battle scenarios during the last world war, the top U.S. general pretty much had the final word on what Aussie troops were doing...Australia is tied to the U.S. in some interesting ways...

The two countries are almost the same 'age', independance-wise, also, both countries all but annihilated the native population to claim it as its own...

In closing, Australia - is America (with the charade of separation).

Akushla

To all intents and purposes... Australia is NOT the U.S...

In battle scenarios during WW2, the Americans arrived AFTER the Battle for Australia had been fought and won (by Australians). To which the Americans, General Macathur become supreme commander of ALLIED forces, to which the long push back to Japan begun.

Australia is 111 years old by federation terms, and only 30 years old by completely ending all ties to Britain.
While America is 220+ years old.
America killed something like 90+ million native Indians.
Australia killed 20 thousand Aboriginals over a period of 150 years (hardly wiping them out, where more Aboriginals are alive today than back then)

In closing Australia is seperate from America (In all but friendship and allies)

Originally posted by Jace26

Originally posted by akushla99
To all intents and purposes...Australia IS The U.S....

In battle scenarios during the last world war, the top U.S. general pretty much had the final word on what Aussie troops were doing...Australia is tied to the U.S. in some interesting ways...

The two countries are almost the same 'age', independance-wise, also, both countries all but annihilated the native population to claim it as its own...

In closing, Australia - is America (with the charade of separation).

Akushla

To all intents and purposes... Australia is NOT the U.S...

In battle scenarios during WW2, the Americans arrived AFTER the Battle for Australia had been fought and won (by Australians). To which the Americans, General Macathur become supreme commander of ALLIED forces, to which the long push back to Japan begun.

Australia is 111 years old by federation terms, and only 30 years old by completely ending all ties to Britain.
While America is 220+ years old.
America killed something like 90+ million native Indians.
Australia killed 20 thousand Aboriginals over a period of 150 years (hardly wiping them out, where more Aboriginals are alive today than back then)

In closing Australia is seperate from America (In all but friendship and allies)

Window dressing!

What's a hundred years between friends?
...'cutting all ties'...is that supposed to be a joke?
...the word 'killing' kinda rolls off the tongue, doesn't it!?
...more aboriginals...probably a result of whitey taking 'liberties'...or the poor treatment afforded the Custodians by an invading colonial empire...

The British Empires' two little sons have grown up to be headstrong teenagers!

I wish it weren't true!

Akushla

Originally posted by akushla99

Originally posted by Jace26

Originally posted by akushla99
To all intents and purposes...Australia IS The U.S....

In battle scenarios during the last world war, the top U.S. general pretty much had the final word on what Aussie troops were doing...Australia is tied to the U.S. in some interesting ways...

The two countries are almost the same 'age', independance-wise, also, both countries all but annihilated the native population to claim it as its own...

In closing, Australia - is America (with the charade of separation).

Akushla

To all intents and purposes... Australia is NOT the U.S...

In battle scenarios during WW2, the Americans arrived AFTER the Battle for Australia had been fought and won (by Australians). To which the Americans, General Macathur become supreme commander of ALLIED forces, to which the long push back to Japan begun.

Australia is 111 years old by federation terms, and only 30 years old by completely ending all ties to Britain.
While America is 220+ years old.
America killed something like 90+ million native Indians.
Australia killed 20 thousand Aboriginals over a period of 150 years (hardly wiping them out, where more Aboriginals are alive today than back then)

In closing Australia is seperate from America (In all but friendship and allies)

Window dressing!

What's a hundred years between friends?
...'cutting all ties'...is that supposed to be a joke?
...the word 'killing' kinda rolls off the tongue, doesn't it!?
...more aboriginals...probably a result of whitey taking 'liberties'...or the poor treatment afforded the Custodians by an invading colonial empire...

The British Empires' two little sons have grown up to be headstrong teenagers!

I wish it weren't true!

Akushla

FIRST OF ALL AKUSHLA, YOU HAVE STRAYED OFF TOPIC, THIS IS A THREAD ABOUT AUTRALIA AND WW3.
YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY A NON-WHITE PERSON COMING ON TO THIS THREAD EXPRESSING YOUR BLATANT RACSIM. IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO CONTRIBUTE THEN WHY COMMENT?
WHEN I SAID "MORE ABORIGINALS" I'M TALKING ABOUT MORE ABORIGINALS ALIVE TODAY THAN AT ANY POINT IN THEIR HISTORY. ABORIGINALS WERE TREATED VERY WELL, AND COMPARED TO OTHER PLACES SUFFERED LITTLE TO NOTHING. MOST PLACES WHERE COLONIZATION TOOK PLACE RESULTED IN THE LOCAL ABORIGINES BECOMING EMPLOYED BY THE FARMERS ETC.
EVERY COUNTRY HAS BEEN THE LAND OF A FORMER CIVILIZATION, WHICH TECHNICALLY MAKES AUSTRALIA THE FIRST CIVILIZATION OF THE AUSTRALIAN CONTINENT BECAUSE THE ABORIGINES DIDN'T HAVE A CIVILIZATION.
WHAT ABOUT NORTHERN AFRICA? IT WAS ONCE LARGELY POPULATED BY WHITE PEOPLE THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO BUT HAVE SINCE BEEN DRIVEN OUT? WILL WHITE PEOPLE GET THEIR LANDS BACK IN NORTHERN AFRICA?
WHAT ABOUT THE GENOCIDE OF WHITE PEOPLE IN FORMER BRITISH COLONIES?

ALL YOU CAN SAY IS THAT I'M "WINDOW DRESSING" BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING IS TRUE. AKUSHLA SEND YOUR RACIST THOUGHTS FROM THIS THREAD.

Reply to post by Melbourne_Militia

im proud as f*** to be aussie. We are resiliant we can hold our own (ww2 baby), and now that we have tech and $$, we can kinda be strategic too... We announced we were building more bases along the west coast (perth) not too long ago didnt we?? i talk about this tish to my mates all the time and almost all of em (varied backgrounds too) would fight any invaders. And as you know everyone knows someone who knows someone whos dodgy so some weapons wont be to hard too find!!!

Peace could last forever


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Originally posted by JarredAus
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im proud as f*** to be aussie. We are resiliant we can hold our own (ww2 baby), and now that we have tech and $$, we can kinda be strategic too... We announced we were building more bases along the west coast (perth) not too long ago didnt we?? i talk about this tish to my mates all the time and almost all of em (varied backgrounds too) would fight any invaders. And as you know everyone knows someone who knows someone whos dodgy so some weapons wont be to hard too find!!!

Peace could last forever

 

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I too am very proud to be Australian, it was rabble farmers and young untrained Aussie men who defeated the Japanese at Buna, Gona, Kokoda, Milne Bay, Bougainville, New Britain, and many more. In fact Australians were the first in 400 years to defeat the Japanese in battle.
What backgrounds are we talking about when you say your mates would fight for Australia, its not important but I am interested.

reply to post by Jace26
You would make a fine foreign minister! Can you swear?

reply to post by titzycronulla


Yes sir I can!!!

Watch the first MAD MAX film again , the narrative could to some extent be correct , rabid gangs waring over fuel and petrol / diesel and food , after laughing thinking about it , the reality maybe no laughing matter the way things are going.

reply to post by Jace26


Time to get the keyboard fixed, methinks? ('off topic' may be against the rules...but what's a slab of CAPITALS worth?) I see you and raise you!

You're a pretty bad judge of character and skin color...

I don't see where I have been off topic at all -

Recent history has seen many countries 'allying' themselves with, big brother America...
I find it hard (and I suspect you would too) to speak of WW3, or any other these days, without the mention of big brother america...

Australia is not 'missing' in the scenario you propose...for the reason I have so eloquently scribed...

Settle Gretel!

Akushla

reply to post by Jace26
Time to take a deep breath hey pal. I understand your passion, but you are becoming UNAUSTRALIAN.

Originally posted by akushla99
reply to post by Jace26

 

Time to get the keyboard fixed, methinks? ('off topic' may be against the rules...but what's a slab of CAPITALS worth?) I see you and raise you!

You're a pretty bad judge of character and skin color...

I don't see where I have been off topic at all -

Recent history has seen many countries 'allying' themselves with, big brother America...
I find it hard (and I suspect you would too) to speak of WW3, or any other these days, without the mention of big brother america...

Australia is not 'missing' in the scenario you propose...for the reason I have so eloquently scribed...

Settle Gretel!

Akushla

Well if I'm a pretty bad judge at character and skin colour than why would a white person come on here and racially vilify other white people?
Going from WW3 to Australian Aboriginals is a little off topic don't you think?
OMG, the only reason I mentioned America was because its America who is raising the tensions between themselves and Iran, in other words, a nuclear war in the middle east i going to most likely involve China and Russia both of whom live just above Australia, ffs thats what the threads about.
Actually Australia is missing from the World war scenario, otherwise we would see more threads about it.

In a WW3 or cold war type scenario I would expect it would help Australia if American manufacturing came back in a big way. If i'm not mistaken a large part of Australia's economy is raw materials export with a very large portion going to China. If Australia is bounded to America by military alliance against China and greater Eurasia a very large part of the world will no longer want her resources. If America miraculously re-industrializes I imagine that would be a very good thing for the NATO alliance. It must happen in order to maintain a war effort, as a lot of very important little links in the supply chains in the manufacture of most of our war industry are provided in very large part by China. Industrialization will help employ people and actually make a sound economy as well.

But people are probably going to be getting nuked or invaded or gulaged and such so often that the global economy really just ceases functioning

Originally posted by Jace26

Originally posted by akushla99
reply to post by Jace26

 

Time to get the keyboard fixed, methinks? ('off topic' may be against the rules...but what's a slab of CAPITALS worth?) I see you and raise you!

You're a pretty bad judge of character and skin color...

I don't see where I have been off topic at all -

Recent history has seen many countries 'allying' themselves with, big brother America...
I find it hard (and I suspect you would too) to speak of WW3, or any other these days, without the mention of big brother america...

Australia is not 'missing' in the scenario you propose...for the reason I have so eloquently scribed...

Settle Gretel!

Akushla

Well if I'm a pretty bad judge at character and skin colour than why would a white person come on here and racially vilify other white people?
Going from WW3 to Australian Aboriginals is a little off topic don't you think?
OMG, the only reason I mentioned America was because its America who is raising the tensions between themselves and Iran, in other words, a nuclear war in the middle east i going to most likely involve China and Russia both of whom live just above Australia, ffs thats what the threads about.
Actually Australia is missing from the World war scenario, otherwise we would see more threads about it.

edit on 21-2-2012 by Jace26 because: (no reason given)

Facts are facts, my friend...if it had been the other way around, I would have done the same...but, in reality, it wasn't. Intelligent criticism isn't vilification...and criticism of your peers is essential, if only to alert them to greater wrongs.
I think you are the one focusing on the natives...my illustration was merely a contrast and compare to show the ties that do exist, and would be brought into play, given your 'sky falling in' scenario.

We don't see threads about 'it', because, IT is a given...

Akushla

Originally posted by Jace26

Originally posted by AllUrChips
Um, the US announced it militarzation of Australia last summer.

*sigh*
Another ignorant American, Australia was already militirized before last summer. We have our own army, navy, and air force. This thread is for Americans (like you) to realise that any attack on Iran could well lead to the annihalation of Australia.

In his defense technically the "Trip Wire" was set a year or so ago as explained by an ABC analyst that is if Indonesia Attacked Australia there was no mechanism politically to set the US Military to attack to defend us.

reply to post by Jace26


To say the UK abandoned Australia to the Japanese isn't fair at all considering Germany was probably a much greater and immediate threat to England than was the prospect of a successful Japanese invasion of Australia. They were already overextended and dealing with insurgencies in China, the Philippines, and elsewhere.

The other thing worth mentioning is that there are 2,500 miles between China and Australia at a minimum, and far more between the heavily populated centers.

I don't know why everyone is so scared of China. One, they have traditionally not been a very expansionist power, two, their manufacturing economy is dependent upon western consumption, and three, they have their own problems with Muslim extremists.

Frankly, the biggest threat you face (as do all developed states) is a rogue actor with a dirty bomb or something.

On The Beach (1959)

On the Beach (1959) is a post-apocalyptic drama film based on Nevil Shute's 1957 novel of the same name. The story is set in a future 1964, in the months following World War III. The conflict has devastated the northern hemisphere, polluting the atmosphere with nuclear fallout and killing all life. While the bombs were confined to the northern hemisphere, air currents are slowly carrying the fallout south. The only areas still habitable are in the far southern hemisphere, like Australia.

Spoiler alert: Everyone dies.

Originally posted by cassandranova
reply to post by Jace26

 

To say the UK abandoned Australia to the Japanese isn't fair at all considering Germany was probably a much greater and immediate threat to England than was the prospect of a successful Japanese invasion of Australia. They were already overextended and dealing with insurgencies in China, the Philippines, and elsewhere.

The other thing worth mentioning is that there are 2,500 miles between China and Australia at a minimum, and far more between the heavily populated centers.

I don't know why everyone is so scared of China. One, they have traditionally not been a very expansionist power, two, their manufacturing economy is dependent upon western consumption, and three, they have their own problems with Muslim extremists.

Frankly, the biggest threat you face (as do all developed states) is a rogue actor with a dirty bomb or something.

Firstly, you might want to brush up on Australian history, because I can asure you that Britain abandoned Australia during WW2.
In WW1, we sent our men to sacrifice themselves to defend Britain with over 60,000+ killed.
In WW2, when we needed Britains help to defend Australia, they showed their true colours and abandoned us. Our military sacrifices meant nothing to them, we were just cannon fodder.