Troops March on White House for Ron Paul!

Originally posted by TheAnswerTo1984
It's sad that we have to get our news from a Russian news source because American media refuses to cover hundreds of troops marching on our capital. Not even a link up on Drudge about this.

Completely agree. I usually end up checking RT and BBC to find out what is going on right here in the U.S. its sad. Anyway back go the topic, I would have definately attended this event if I wasn't currently overseas. Paul is supported by troops because they are the only ones who truly understand the effects of the wars, and know it is time for troops to finally be home.

reply to post by clarkness


Go to your Chief Petty Officer and tell him/her your grievances.

Chances are, if you’re lucky, the response will be…”Yea, I hear ya…now suck it up and drive on.”

Basically, you volunteered. Personal responsibility.

Deal with it.

Sorry to be such a downer, but that is the reality that you signed up for.

reply to post by TDawgRex

Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by clarkness

 

Basically, you volunteered. Personal responsibility.

Deal with it.

I would disagree with this assessment. I haven't served in the military but when I was 17 I was being hounded by the Air Force recruiter. He came to my school, he stopped at my house and he called me once a day for a period of time. I was 17 years old. I had no idea how the world worked, I had no idea what I would have been signing up for. To give a general date this was in 1997. A 17 year old kid in 1997 had no idea of what war was, sure I watched the gulf war on TV when I was 11. He was saying things like "free college", "travel" and "serve your country".

Sounds like he needed me more than I needed him. Which is why I never enlisted.

The military preys on young impressionable minds.

reply to post by litterbaux


You are quite correct. You give me hope that the young are not hopeless.

I joined early on in age and as I grew older & wiser I learned things about myself and the world I lived in.

I had some great times and some bad times as well.

But when you make a decision such as joining the military, you best think long and hard about it. And be prepared to deal with the consequences. Life is not fair.

But I'm sure you already realize that.

reply to post by TDawgRex


I have no problem working that many hours, I am trying to explain the situation that most of us live in day to day.

And by the way, your attitude of "suck it up, you signed up for it" is exactly why suicide has skyrocketed, substance abuse has at least tripled if not more, and the divorce rate has tripled in the military.

Its common place that in the military that if you have any problems, you better find a way to deal with it yourself. I find it funny that if I am in uniform most places, that people will come up to me and shake my hand and thank for my service, only to see them drive off in their vehicle with the support the troops magnet stuck on the back. Its funny to me that most of America does this everyday and I think its a joke. The American citizens are the ones sending us off into war. If American citizens truly didn't agree with the wars, then they would have never happen. If the American citizens truly cared about taking care of the service members, they would do something about cutting our pay, raising our healthcare (yes, I have to pay out of pocket some of my insurance), telling us that we have to pay for our training. Hell military commissaries and NEX charge us more than Wal-Mart does. We are targeted for identity theft, burglaries, and fraud more than any group of people. Hell, its funny, my own family used my identity to create 12 credit card accounts. Even though it could and eventually will affect my clearance, when I went to my command to find some sort of help. They first told me "Sucks to be you" and "Better get that cleared up because if you lose your clearance, you will face charges". I did suck it up and figured it out on my own, only took me two years and about $3000. There is no support system for us. Feel like committing suicide? Here some pills! Oh, you're having trouble with your wife? Divorce her. You're so stressed out that you are becoming violent at home? Better not get the police called on you. These are just some of the basic responses I have heard from chain of commands.

Now, I will admit, it would be worth it, if we were all actually making the world a better place, but we aren't. In the back of our minds, we know that this is not the way.

Saying things like "That's just the way it is", "You signed up for it sucker" does nothing to help the situation. Not too long ago, women, blacks, and other minorities had no rights. That's just the way it was.Many many years ago, this country was a smaller colony of Britain that were being exploited. That's just the way it was. People actually had a spine to do something about it. If only the Americans actually gave a # and actually used the rights and freedoms that they thank servicemen for everyday, maybe this country would be better.

Tdawg, I don't know if you have served, but I can guarantee you those flashy words like honor and integrity that gets flashed around the services in our little chants, oaths, and creeds, are not happening. Sadly enough, most of the problem lies up the chain of command, not at the bottom.

I think what ticks me off the most is seeing how people do not view this as a big thing. Why is it that we will broadcast that some portion of a moms group doesn't like Ellen being the spokeswoman for JCPenney, but not our members making a statement. And don't be fooled by the name "One million moms" They only have a few thousand members, but they make headlines even though that a lot of that group love Ellen and support her. Its funny that they will showcase a funeral for Whitney Houston, but a bunch of veterans and active duty observing a moment of silence and prayer for over a half hour is nothing. Way to go America!

My husband served and I'm so proud of him, I loved the military base. I can't get over how many people on this website put serving the military down like it's a pathetic bad thing.

Originally posted by RightWingAvenger
reply to post by NeoVain

 

Its a pretty weak statement considering the numbers just aren't there...now if it was 10,000 troops plus 50,000 veterans we'd have something to detatch some retinas. Hopefully this concept gains momentum.

It is a weak statement in comparison to what? I believe the troops marching for Mitt, Obama, Rick, Newt added together is roughly zero.

I don't build rockets, but give these figures to any child and they will tell you and anything more than zero is better than zero

reply to post by NeoVain


Personally I think this is awesome. It was quickly put together and 500 was to be considered a success. There were well over that amount. Keep it up guys we are behind you.

Ron Paul has now a bigger army with real soldiers then the US army itself

time to take the white house by force
since the elections look to be rigged again

Only the army can do something now

When the ship captain make orders on personnal emotions (Israel)
the crew can releive it of its command

Barack, Barack, Barack Obama, continental crook from the city of Chicago.

Ma, ma, where's Ron Paul? Gone to the White House to save us all.



Great videos!

reply to post by NeoVain


It's good to see the troops doing this, makes me feel a little better about things. I think even though they are not mentioned here the Oathkeepers should also be recognized for the impact they have had. When you are trying to reach critical mass, so to speak, all factors are an important contribution. I know some of you have and will say that "it wasn't that many" but my guess would be that the majority of these gentlemen have been over there and seen what we are doing. Many more would be in this march if they were not still in Oil/Opium-land(s) figthting for Exxon, BP and Pfizer interests. And still more would be among these gentlemen if we were not in such desperate economic times.

Also good to see is that these guys are aware of the Federal Reserve Bank and our desperate need to disown this fraudulent and destructive power and it's most recent swindles on the American people. I remember when I started talking about the Fed fifteen years ago. At that time no one really knew anything about this branch of government or how it worked. Yes I know it is private and not part of our Government at all, but back then nearly no one knew this. In fact most people looked at me as though I was stark raving mad when I informed them of this fact. Times have truly changed if our returning servicemen are aware of the problem. I mean I'm sure these guys didn't hear about this in high school, nor boot camp, or for that matter on the nightly news. Nope, this education has been achieved not only without the major media and TPTB, but despite them!

However if the Fed - to return to my earlier point - controls our very lives, if it can be seen controlling our Congress, as it did to bring about the massive bailout of 2008, can it not be argued that the Fed is actually a higher level of government than the Executive, Legislative or Judicial Branches? Since we do not vote for them or perform any other quasi charade to empower them, this would be an unaccountable "arm" of government, and much too powerful to be tolerated. Indeed, would this not fit the description of a coup, albeit a subtle and stealthy one?

Finally, I would like to mention that the flag being folded did not touch the ground. Good job guys. The government considers these guys possible terrorists. Why? Because of what they have seen? Because of what they know? Because our government has gone so far that they are worried about blowback from their own troops? Terrorists would have been burning the flag not folding it honorably.

Remember, they attempted to take Hugo Chavez out and it lasted for only about 48 hours because he was from the military and respected by them. How many of the candidates for 2012 served in the military? Unless I am mistaken we only have one candidate who served in the military.

The message broadcast in front of the White House was clear to me rather quickly. "This is not you're daddy's (Dubya) shotgun anymore..."

reply to post by Misoir

Barack, Barack, Barack Obama, continental crook from the city of Chicago.

Ma, ma, where's Ron Paul? Gone to the White House to save us all.

I love it! Star for ya from me. Honest to God those of us from Illinois who have been paying attention really couldn't believe that anyone would ever vote for an Illinois politician. I mean our political hacks have a long and seldom interrupted tradition of corruption. It would almost seem like a religion with them. I do not exaggerate the least little bit on this. Every time a new Governor gets elected people in the State start to speculate on just what he will get caught doing. My mom is 90 years old and she does it too!


I mean I know the memory hole is right inside your living room these days, but throw some plywood over it and your memories will start to work again. It worked for me.

reply to post by clarkness

The American citizens are the ones sending us off into war. If American citizens truly didn't agree with the wars, then they would have never happen. If the American citizens truly cared about taking care of the service members, they would do something about cutting our pay, raising our healthcare (yes, I have to pay out of pocket some of my insurance), telling us that we have to pay for our training.

You have not identified the correct enemy. You are opening fire on innocent civilians, soldier.

The citizens in this country are not sending you over there, your Commander In Chief did, and after he lied to us and promised to bring you all home in the first six months in office. Some of us voted for change, enough that he could get into office and double cross us by putting you into peril. If you asked most people if they wanted to start a war in "Slobovia" they would say no. But if you ramp them up with lies about how we have to go over there, and fear about weapons and systems of conveyance that are not even in existence yet, a lot will be brainwashed into believing we should go. Again this direction comes from the top, not from the bottom.

I support the troops, I do not support the leadership. If the Viet Nam war had not ended when it did I would have been drafted, and well might not be here now. I empathize with the troops, but not the leadership that lets the Constitution they swore to protect get trampled on with their willing assistance.

reply to post by TheAnswerTo1984

It's sad that we have to get our news from a Russian news source because American media refuses to cover hundreds of troops marching on our capital. Not even a link up on Drudge about this.

What does that say about Drudge? When Alex Jones threw in with him a couple years back a red flag went up for me.

I have a friend from Serbia who is a naturalized citizen. He gets his news from RT as well, and he spent a lot of time under a government which was a Russian puppet. What does that say?

Should have marched on Washington DC for real.

Like ``march on``... to overthrow the illegitimate government run by the banksters with Obama and most of congress in their pockets.

Hell congress has a 8% approval rating... lower than dictatorships have.

Obama supposed 50% approval rating is because the Obamabots don't want any of the ``mainline`` candidate in the GOP (Santorum, Gingrich, Romney).

If the military was truly ``defending the constitution``, they would have marched on the White House and congress a long time ago with all the unconstitutional crap they have passed over the years.

At least there are a thousand hopes for this country and our future. If we keep this in the main pages hopefully it will inspire more actions from us keyboard commandos!

Originally posted by hapablab
My husband served and I'm so proud of him, I loved the military base. I can't get over how many people on this website put serving the military down like it's a pathetic bad thing.

edit on 21-2-2012 by hapablab because: (no reason given)

it’s not just the website. I don’t think anyone thinks any less for someone who is enlisted. People on here just have a problem with the freedoms you lose when serving. i.e. you can’t practice any political protests? I can see why they wouldn’t want someone in uniform going on a march, that is putting "their" image on something they might not agree with, but telling them they can’t do anything when they are in civilian clothes? or not active? Seems a bit oppressing

Originally posted by Ben81
Ron Paul has now a bigger army with real soldiers then the US army itself

time to take the white house by force
since the elections look to be rigged again]

this just made me think of what ive been hearing on the news and people at work, a new canidate because the ones we have just arent cutting it. it seems liek there pushing it, and i think its because of the ron paul movement. we are being loud and clear. and because of all the rigged election, google posting results early, results not matching, and everything we know suspect and dont know has made it possible to put that doubt in the eye of the mainstream thought. they dont want paul to win there are no puppet strings hanging from paul. it scares them and the powers to be gotta have another option.

reply to post by clarkness


Yep, I served. 31 years. As I read your post, I realized that I could have wrote it in a darker time in my life. But I also realized that while those times in my life sucked, they also made me smarter. And devious.

Often I found other ways of dealing with a problem that had been previously overlooked. Heck, it took two and a half years to get my retirement approved. And in the process, ruined a few careers, due to their negligence in processing my request. But I finally was able to retire. But that’s another long story.

I’ve always been there for my Soldiers, and sometimes I would tell them to suck it up. But those were usually in the “Don’t sweat the small stuff” category.

Financial and Marital problems though can ruin a person if not addressed quickly. I’ve seen it. I’m not a big fan of the WTU system either having been a part of it. They over-medicate way too much and then bust the Troop for not waking up on time for formation. What the hell?

But in the long run, whether a person seeks help or not, it is up to them on how life’s dramas affect them.

Originally posted by Ittabena
reply to post by clarkness

 

The American citizens are the ones sending us off into war. If American citizens truly didn't agree with the wars, then they would have never happen. If the American citizens truly cared about taking care of the service members, they would do something about cutting our pay, raising our healthcare (yes, I have to pay out of pocket some of my insurance), telling us that we have to pay for our training.

You have not identified the correct enemy. You are opening fire on innocent civilians, soldier.

The citizens in this country are not sending you over there, your Commander In Chief did, and after he lied to us and promised to bring you all home in the first six months in office. Some of us voted for change, enough that he could get into office and double cross us by putting you into peril. If you asked most people if they wanted to start a war in "Slobovia" they would say no. But if you ramp them up with lies about how we have to go over there, and fear about weapons and systems of conveyance that are not even in existence yet, a lot will be brainwashed into believing we should go. Again this direction comes from the top, not from the bottom.

I support the troops, I do not support the leadership. If the Viet Nam war had not ended when it did I would have been drafted, and well might not be here now. I empathize with the troops, but not the leadership that lets the Constitution they swore to protect get trampled on with their willing assistance.

edit on 21-2-2012 by Ittabena because: (no reason given)

Am I? Sure, we get lied to, but how long will it take for these politicians to lie to us and withhold information to the point that the American people to start calling for the resignation for these politicians. Ignorance and naivety should not be an excuse. If we American people were more socially aware of the real things going on in our government, then we would have no problem getting these people out of office. People thank service members for what we do everyday, yet they do not even know what they are thanking us for. Let's face it, there will always be bad people in the world, but it up to the good people in this world to stand up and have a stronger voice than those who would manipulate the system in the name of power and greed. Most Americans will bury their head in the sands and not even take a few minutes each day to actually see what is going on the world. They will not take a few seconds to even know what is being done in their name. A man by the name of Edmund Burke said "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing". Do I think that everyone should go to jail or be punished somehow? Hell no, but let's not be naive to the point that we Americans are letting this happen. Ignorance is the real problem, not the few corrupt people at the top. If Americans actually stopped sitting their ass in front of the television for a half hour and figured out what the reality of this country's actions were, I bet we would have politicians that would stop telling us how they would like to do things, but to ask us how we would like things done.