25 Signs That America Is Rapidly Becoming More Like Nazi Germany

reply to post by Klassified

Thanks for the input Tsuki. Without dissenting opinions, this wouldn't be ATS. It would be that other site.

I like to see posts like that.

I think there are some slight parallels between what the US is becoming and Nazi Germany, but honestly the list seemed to be reaching pretty hard to me. Interesting though.

Originally posted by DarthMuerte

Before Hitler, we had very good medical care.

I loved this one most. Oh obamabots; please defend this because it is coming.

Before Hitler they had something we didn't have before Obama.

Oh, sorry, I'm a Ron-bot. I probably shouldn't reply.

As a US citizen I don't feel confident in bragging about US healthcare. As an expat living in Mexico I have some perspective on the matter. Here a doctor visit costs about $2.50us, most offices are attached to a pharmacy with a doctor on-duty for walk-up visits - typically with little or, usually, no waiting. There are often one to several of these offices in each neighborhood with some private offices, often located in the doctor's home or on a commercial street.

I often get to spend 20 minutes or more with the doctor as they want to chat, get to know you, and understand what you're like as they examine, weigh, take blood pressure, temperature, or whatever is appropriate. It often comes down to the choice of a shot or pills, if necessary, and if another shot may be desired in a couple days then usually give (sell from the pharmacy, actually) syringes and the medicine to take home and administer, or if you prefer them to administer the shot then you can return with your stuff. I usually leave the Dr.'s office/pharmacy with my meds for under $10. - It cost me about $1.25 for the follow-up shot after three days.

Seeing a specialist costs more, about $30-$35, and they will often chat, inspect, and keep you company for the better part of an hour. There are some hospital plans for employees, government employees, general care, etc. My small pension is enough to afford private hospitals with comfortable accomodations, cable, etc., though I have not had to use them yet - but other expats say they are nice. The one time I had an injury that required emergency care at the Cruz Roja it cost me under $5, with stitches - BTW, I didn't have to wait.

I'm not sure where American medicine is going but Pharma seems to have some influence with that. Expect to be marketed an unhealthy lifestyle for easy taking, and an expensive medical system to sell you remedies for all that. Count on having plenty of really cool synthesized compounds all tested, certified, and sanitized for your protection.

The reasons I am an expat are among those other of the 25 signs. It just doesn't seem like the same America I grew up in anymore.

Originally posted by Domo1
reply to post by Klassified

 

Thanks for the input Tsuki. Without dissenting opinions, this wouldn't be ATS. It would be that other site.

I like to see posts like that.

I think there are some slight parallels between what the US is becoming and Nazi Germany, but honestly the list seemed to be reaching pretty hard to me. Interesting though.

Thanks Domo, this is the kind of view I was looking for. Someone who could see the direction we're pointed, without taking the hardline the article took.

Originally posted by Klassified
There's not much I can add to this article, it speaks for itself. I can only say that many of the points made have merit. However, in my opinion, some of them miss the mark a bit.
25 Signs...

These are the ones that stand out to me the most as being parallels. However, that's not saying the others have no merit.

#1 Nazi Germany was a totalitarian Big Brother police state that constantly monitored everything that German citizens did.

#2 Nazi officials often used their positions of power to force others to do dehumanizing things.

#3 In Nazi Germany, even women and children were treated like dehumanized cattle.

#4 In Nazi Germany, authorities could stop you and search you at any time and for any reason.

#5 Under Adolf Hitler, there were massive increases in government spending.

#6 Under Hitler, taxes were raised dramatically in order to pay for all of these social programs.

#11 In Nazi Germany, the health care system was taken over by the government.

#13 In Nazi Germany, killing the "defective", the "weak" and the "disabled" was considered to be a good thing because it made the German people "stronger".

#21 Under the Nazis, large numbers of children were taken away from good families.

#23 In Nazi Germany, the prisons were absolutely packed.

#25 Under Adolf Hitler, paranoia was standard operating procedure.

Which ones stand out to you the most?

edit on 2/20/2012 by Klassified because: correction

The reason why America is becoming more like Nazi Germany (which is a load off bullcrap by the way) is that the normal American people allow it to happen, they are only complaining about the situation and comparing the country to Nazi Germany in a way that it will look like Nazi Germany (while nazi Germany was something completely different) instead of taking action (with this I mean: leaving the USA).

But what else can you expect from a bunch of un or loweducated fat lazy unhappy childish and greedy people, maybe I have got a expectation which is to high, expectations which will not fit for the American people.... But I'm afraid that I will become as stupid as the average American if I lower my bar haha !

RightWingAvenger - BenReclused - MrSpad

Gentlemen, thank you for your thoughts on this article, and the OP.

What I see in this is not that we ARE Nazi Germany. But rather that we have started down the same road as a nation. I agree the article takes a hardline, bordering on fear mongering approach. But setting that aside for the moment, I think we need to look at this from the perspective of "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."(Ben Franklin)

From that perspective, I see plenty of early warning signs. And they've been here for quite some time.

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Believe whatever you want, you are all just pissed off because your beloved USA is going down the drain, and there is nothing you can do about it anymore. And because of this, you are all desperately trying (here on this ATS board) to find a "story" or a "explanation" which fits the best in your own delussioned view on how the "migthy" USA could fall. And you are trying to explain this with some random historic things about Nazi Germany and apply or compare them with actual happenings to the current situation or state of the USA with a made up, twisted explanations of your own...

Instead of Nazi Germany, you also could have used: Korea, Afghanistan, Iran, Communist Russia, a fictive planet in outer space where everyone is a slave of the system, to comapre the current situation of the USA with, see? The possibility's are endless (and bull# in every single point of view)

There is only one thing you CAN do, admit that the USA was wrong all the time and that everything it did was a misdeed against humanity haha...

I see two errors:

# 16. Hitler was not a Darwinist. He was a Larmarckian - a theory of evolution that supposed that acquired - not just genetic - advantages could be inherited. This version of evolution was necessary to his racist way of thinking.

# 12. Although Hitler may have advocated abortion - not always voluntary - for "undesirables", he outlawed it for "Aryans" - both the doctor and the woman would go to prison for "race treason". Under Hitler, motherhood was virtually mandatory for German ("Aryan") women, and single women were sometimes recruited or coerced to join breeding ranches where they would be impregnated by "genetically approved" German officers.

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Believe what ever you want, but you're just pissed because we are still here, and doing mighty well compared the the majority of the countries in this old world.

We must have done something right. If we hadn't, you wouldn't have been able to post your crap.

See ya,
Milt

I was watching The Rise Of Hitler tonight, actually...
One thing that stood out is the MASS unemployment rate. This opened the gates for all able bodied men to join the forces.

Originally posted by DarthMuerte

Before Hitler, we had very good medical care. Many American doctors trained at the University of Vienna . After Hitler, health care was socialized, free for everyone. Doctors were salaried by the government. The problem was, since it was free, the people were going to the doctors for everything. When the good doctor arrived at his office at 8 a.m., 40 people were already waiting and, at the same time, the hospitals were full. If you needed elective surgery, you had to wait a year or two for your turn. There was no money for research as it was poured into socialized medicine. Research at the medical schools literally stopped, so the best doctors left Austria and emigrated to other countries.

I loved this one most. Oh obamabots; please defend this because it is coming.

But it's people like you who have made this happen, not politicians. If who've bought into this mindless hyperpartisanship, congratulations, you're brainwashed. People like you are so busy trying to beat the other party, you are't paying attention to what's beating all of us. And this was by design. Dude, Grow up. You've been systematically reduced to an almost childlike Pavlovian type response that results in buzz words, false equivalencies, all the signs of mind control. The fact that you overlook the Patriot Act is a glaring indication that you've forfeited vigilance in favor of rabid adherence to ideology. That has been part of the plan you mindless, childlike, fearful, hateful Americans. Anyone occupied with keeping score against another party, IS THE LOSER. I seriously blame the likes of you.

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I'm not sure #13 is relevent to America.

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Thanks for sharing Klassified.

Originally posted by CALGARIAN
I was watching The Rise Of Hitler tonight, actually...
One thing that stood out is the MASS unemployment rate. This opened the gates for all able bodied men to join the forces.

Yes, Able Bodied Men To Join Obamas

Originally posted by TsukiLunar
reply to post by Klassified

 

#1 Nazi Germany was a totalitarian Big Brother police state that constantly monitored everything that German citizens did.

Not only is that wrong. Its also impossible.
The U.S. Patriot Act and Spy Drones. (seriously, where have you been?)

Text#2 Nazi officials often used their positions of power to force others to do dehumanizing things.

This could apply to more than just Nazi's. How about Romans? Chinese? Rock Stars?
Who cares about THEM? This is unprecedented behavior from a government touted as For the People By the PeoplFor you to accept it on any level puts you in treason as far as I'm concerned.le.

#3 In Nazi Germany, even women and children were treated like dehumanized cattle.

Where in America is that happening? (besides the odd cases of neglect and abuse)
It's been all over the news. Not my job to pull YOUR head out of the sand.

#4 In Nazi Germany, authorities could stop you and search you at any time and for any reason.

And.. they can do that here??
TThe NDAA bill passed early this year. Again. Where have you been??

[quolf Hitler, there were massive increases in government spending.

And increased spending is Nazi-like only?
No, but it's still a worthwhile point.

#11 In Nazi Germany, the health care system was taken over by the government.

Just went to a private doctor the other day...
This is right wing balderdash. It's an exaggeration of "Obamacare" that creates the impression that there will be o more private health care. People were dumb enough to believe this en masse..

#13 In Nazi Germany, killing the "defective", the "weak" and the "disabled" was considered to be a good thing because it made the German people "stronger".

Relevance to America??
I have no idea how this is relevant.

#21 Under the Nazis, large numbers of children were taken away from good families.

I'll give you this one. DHS needs serious changes. However, II dont think what they practice could be considered an equivalent to Nazi Germany.
This is a problem, I agree that the association with Nazi Germany is a stretch.

#23 In Nazi Germany, the prisons were absolutely packed.

What meaningless comparison.
Not really. America has by far the highest percentage of incarcerated people in the entire developed world, I think twice the rate of the 2nd place country.

#25 Under Adolf Hitler, paranoia was standard operating procedure.

I don't know if being cautious makes you a Nazi.
Hyperpartisanship has definitely bred never-before-seen levels of paranoia. The outrageous things people believe in the name of adhering to political ideology started crossing over into dangerous territory a while back.

BTW, this list sucks. I am thoroughly unimpressed.

I'm seriously surprised that corporate consolidation and conflict-of-interest control of mass media is not on this list. it is THEE #1 reason a police state is taking hold--information and dialogue have been reduced to pure indoctrination, disguised as information. Without that, this coup wouldn't even be possible. You're right, this list sucks.

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If the Nazis weren't such a*sholes, we'd be so much more technologically advanced right now.

Also, whilst on the subject, did you know that in Hitler's first school report, his teacher noted how he seemed to be a disruptive ringleader during lessons?

Originally posted by Petest205
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If the Nazis weren't such a*sholes, we'd be so much more technologically advanced right now.

Also, whilst on the subject, did you know that in Hitler's first school report, his teacher noted how he seemed to be a disruptive ringleader during lessons?

Technological advancement is a product of secret knowledge held by the initiated, withheld from the masses. They've been behind every technological advancement we've seen in human history, from the pyramids, through television all the way to satellites and beyond, into realms of technology that exist now, that you won't know about for another 20 years.

Originally posted by Brandon88
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At least in the UK the police don't have guns to shoot people in the back.

Maybe not all the police but the police still have guns.
In London, at the weekend, A man shot multiple times waving a machete. Gun Ho and trigger happy pigs. Why... Their trained marks-men. One shot would of disarmed him, oh and also they teaser-ed hiss ass too.

www.bbc.co.uk...

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That quote has been taken out of context countless times.

And why the obsession with his middle name? No wonder many of his detractors deny that they're racist.

As for the OP? Good list and we're already there. If an idiot like Santorum gets into office, expect it to get much worse quickly.

lets take over the world

Originally posted by PW229
Replace "Nazi Germany" with, "In the modern UK" and you've nailed it.

I think the UK is a lot further on that list the the US.

Agreed, The UK is fast becoming a Fascist state, the internal politicking is just ridiculous and the peoplejust dont care any more, well this is my perspective.

Originally posted by Klassified

#1 Nazi Germany was a totalitarian Big Brother police state that constantly monitored everything that German citizens did.

#2 Nazi officials often used their positions of power to force others to do dehumanizing things.

#3 In Nazi Germany, even women and children were treated like dehumanized cattle.

#4 In Nazi Germany, authorities could stop you and search you at any time and for any reason.

#5 Under Adolf Hitler, there were massive increases in government spending.

#6 Under Hitler, taxes were raised dramatically in order to pay for all of these social programs.

#11 In Nazi Germany, the health care system was taken over by the government.

#13 In Nazi Germany, killing the "defective", the "weak" and the "disabled" was considered to be a good thing because it made the German people "stronger".

#21 Under the Nazis, large numbers of children were taken away from good families.

#23 In Nazi Germany, the prisons were absolutely packed.

#25 Under Adolf Hitler, paranoia was standard operating procedure.

Okay, seriously? I get there are some parallels, but this is a really dumb argument.

Massive increases in gov't spending under Hitler resulted in higher taxes. Higher taxes are not a bad thing, provided taxes are distributed fairly (i.e. tax the wealthy more than the poor, % wise); this is almost a requirement for us to move forward as a society. Of course, in America our taxes hardly benefit us, so most Americans cannot grip their head around the benefit of higher taxes.

Healthcare should be run by the government, allowing the system to be privatized creates an environment where those with more money receive better care than those without. If we are truly created equal, we should be treated as equals. There should be no privilege for the rich when it comes to healthcare. This is not to say that Obamacare is great by any means; Obama's approach to socialized medicine is awful. There are situations where those with more money can buy an advantage over the less fortunate (or "hard working," as they seem to suggest), but healthcare should not be one of those situations. Neither should politics, but that's an entirely different argument altogether.

It is well known that eugenics was part of Hitler's agenda, but eugenics did not start with Hitler. Furthermore, the cesspool of retardation we have going on in the modern world where we allow idiots to breed and have children has absolutely distorted any progress which we have made on an evolutionary scale over the centuries. Eugenics should be practiced to some degree, for the sake of our species. If it was not for modern advances in medicine and healthcare, natural selection would be taking care of the eugenics process for us. Since we have successfully abolished the bitter blessing that is natural selection in many parts of the modern world, it is now our responsibility to enforce it or suffer the consequences, which are ultimately more defects and diseases. If you want to see how beneficial natural selection is, look no further than Africa, where some people are actually becoming immune AIDS.

I just don't see the argument that the person who wrote this argument is trying to make. Yes, there are some parallels, as there are with MANY OTHER COUNTRIES. To take a few out of place points for granted would make us fools. We are, in truth, no where near Nazi Germany. When we start putting various ethnic groups into concentration camps, sure, but as of now I don't see much of a connection. How exactly are our women and children being dehumanized? Where are the officials forcing us to do dehumanizing things? Where are the random searches?

I get it, people fear that this is coming in the near future. The thing is, if you're REALLY concerned, get the hell out of America while you still can; don't be the person saying, "I told you so," to your neighbor as you're both carted off to Aushwitz 2.0.