Yet another Baby Mauled to Death by PIT BULL - Should they be Banned?

reply to post by Danbones


Hey man,

You are right. Dogs are not born bad. They are a product of their environment. Much like humans. All dogs have the potential to go feral but most events like this are a direct fault of the way the dog raised.

If a pitbull was running after my baby while I'm walking her outside I'd go I AM LEGEND on that dog and whoop some serious puppy a$$ but as for pitbulls being banned? Nahhhh I think the dogs can be controlled you just have to assert your "pack" dominance early on.

Originally posted by phatpackage
reply to post by Danbones

 

Hey man,

You are right. Dogs are not born bad. They are a product of their environment. Much like humans. All dogs have the potential to go feral but most events like this are a direct fault of the way the dog raised.

They don't have to be born bad to be naturally aggressive.

The last dog I rescued was a Cairn Terrier. So like any responsible dog owner I learned as much as I could about the breed. Dogs vary quite a bit and what is good for one breed will kill another. For example, if you feed a Great Dane puppy high protien puppy food it will die before it hit's 2 years old. You have to feed them cheap filler rich dog food like WalMarts oldroy line or their muscles and bones will grow at different speeds causing lots of problems.

A dog is not a dog, every breed is unique. One thing I know about my Cairn is that no amount of training will ever train out of him the instinct to chase small rodents. I hsve to always be aware that he will bolt if a squirell runs by. Some things are so ingrained through selective breeding that they are impossible to train out.

So if a dog has been bred to be aggressive he will always be aggressive, throw the capabilities of the fighting breeds on top of that temperment you have a problem.

reply to post by ignant


More like should idiots be allowed to have children?

The only element of justice in this story, is the fact that it was the owners' baby who was mauled, rather than someone else's.

The intelligent thing to do would be to have the animal destroyed after that incident; but if there's one thing I've observed about owners of pit bulls and rottweilers in particular, it is that their owners are almost always on the same emotional and intellectual level as the animal.

In my opinion, both breeds of dog should be rendered completely extinct.

Shame this happens to innocent bystander - being mauled to death on your daily walk wherever - and it happens all the time?

what a sense of security, not only that they are allowed, but they are SUCH a popular breed.

such a popularly abused and "disposable" breed, that is.

reply to post by BiggerPicture


Do you think Pitbulls are the only dogs that act like dogs? One of my customers used to have a German Shephard that had killed tons of little neighbor dogs. My next door neighbors used to have a Rat Terrier that had killed multiple cats. Cats kill birds, mice, squirrels, etc. Hell, aquarium fish eat the other aquarium fish.

Plus, you discounted your own argument. You said they, "are SUCH a popular breed," which is true, and the stories of tragedies are few and far between. I equate that argument to the cop-bashing threads. Sure, a couple of times per week someone catches a cop on video doing something inappropriate, yet cops encounter millions of people, in tense situations, every single day, and 99.9999% (that is a real number, I didn't just make it up, it comes from my posts in other cop threads) of the encounters go exactly as they should go. The same can be said for pitbulls. Sure, maybe 0.0001% of the dogs out there end up being guilty of something, but the rest of them are great dogs and companions.

If only the general population had the same percentage of good people vs. bad people! Instead of banning pitbulls, we really should ban all people! Or, to be statistically correct, and really make people safer, why not ban all black males? (Not intended to be racist, just citing the ridiculousness of banning a certain subset based on the actions of a few.) If we are trying to make the world a safer place, based on a few dangerous situations, we really need to attack the biggest problems first. Pitbull attacks are way, way, way, way down the list of public dangers!

last year around october my little brother was almost mauled by a pitbull but thankfully he was wearing an extremely puffy jacket, and he wasn't even scratched. The animal jumped on him and tried to bite him but failed because of his jacket.

the key is responsible ownership. I have had two pit bulls and they both have been the sweetest and most loyal dogs I have ever owned. I have an 8 year old daughter, and have never once had a single issue. Maybe I have just had good dogs, but I think early socializiation with tons of people and other animals can make a huge difference. I have been around a few aggressive dogs, I got bit hard by a great dane a few years ago. and Cocker spaniels I have found to be the most tempermental.

The pic is old and my pup is a heck of a lot bigger now.

reply to post by BiggerPicture


Couldn't watch the videos from work earlier, but now I have.....

OK, in the first video, those dogs are attacking for some reason! They aren't just wandering around and aimlessly attacking, someone told those dogs to attack. Also, the giant man in the first video jumps out of the way and leaves the kid that is trying to hide behind him totally exposed. Real winner of a man there! I can't tell the breed of the dogs at all by the video, but most likely they are a mixed breed. Almost all news story accounts of "pitbulls" end up being mixed breeds anyway.

In the second video, there are multiple dogs in a yard, one appears to be a pitbull that is slighly emaciated, the other appears to be a pitbull mix, and the dead one is adolescent in age. The grass is completely gone, this is a typical junkyard dog type of situation. You can't blame the breed of the dog for the attack. The attack is the result of too many dogs, in too small of yard, with limited contact and limited resources. Sure, the stronger and older dogs win over the adolescent dog, but it wouldn't matter if they were chows, pits, rotts, or dalmations, it was the situation that got the puppy killed, not the breeds.

Pitbull saves 2 women from Deadly Cobra, and pays with his life.

There are things much more dangerous than pitbulls in the world, and when they come calling, it is nice to have a pitbull around on your side!

The children in the Fronteras household refer to their dog as "kuya" ("big brother"), and he certainly proved it on the day he sacrificed his life to protect the family.

On Monday, Feb. 12 at around 2 p.m., "Chief", an American Pit Bull Terrier, rescued Liberata la Victoria, 87, and her granddaughter Maria Victoria Fronteras from a deadly cobra which had entered their house through an opening in the kitchen.

Liberata la Victoria and Chief had been watching TV on the sofa when suddenly Chief jumped up and alerted her to the presence of a cobra less than 10 feet away. Maria Victoria rushed in and pulled her grandmother into a separate room, hoping the snake would leave.

But when Maria Victoria later emerged from the room, she was terrified to find the cobra poised about two feet away. Equally startled, the cobra expanded its hood and appeared to be spitting venom as it prepared to strike.

"The snake was in front of us, maneuvering a deadly attack," says Maria Victoria. "I screamed out loud to ask for help." 1

That's when from "out of nowhere", Chief dashed between the cobra and the two women, using himself as a shield against the cobra's attacks. Chief then seized the cobra by the neck and slammed it into the floor, killing it.

But, in defending his family, Chief suffered a fatal bite to the jaw. The granddaughter says the last thing Chief did as he lay dying, was look up at her and wag his tail. Having owned two very loyal and loving Pitbulls, I completely believe their account. I'm sure the 4 year old Chief felt totally comforted knowing he had done his job and protected his family!

Time to add my perspective on this.

Here in the UK the breeding of pitbulls is banned. This came as part of the dangerous dogs act which was a hastily written ineffectual piece of legislation based upon knee jerk reactions to high profile dog attacks. Has this improved things or prevented dog attacks. The simple answer is no. Ithas caused another problem. What has happened though is that a new range of breeds has got in the hands of Scrotes, Chavs and neredowells. Cross a staffy with a mastiff, cross a staffy with a boxer, cross a staffy with any kind of big dog you can get, then put a chain round its neck that could be used as an anchor chain on the titanic and head off to the nearest park, bus shelter or dark corner get drunk on white cider and terrorise the local population.

I have the great displeasure of living near Rhyl which is without doubt one of the biggest shxxholes in wales and thereare plenty of scrotes and chavs walking round with there status dogs. Cant carrry a knife or a gun then hey lets get a big scary dog because I am da man. The problem with this though is that these idiots get bored with the dogs when they realise the comitment needed in owning a dog, so what happens is that the dogs get dumped and end up at kennels either being destroyed or spend the rest of their lives in doggy prison (kennels that will not put dogs down). The number of homeless staffie type dogs or crossbreed staffie dogs in the Uk is at a ridiculously high levels.

So should banning pitbulls happen. Well it hasnt worked here, so no I dont believe it should.

What is needed is a permit to own a dog regardless of breed, and as part of the permit then compulsary socialisation of the dog should take place. Ifyour dog shows agression to other people or dogs put a muzzle on it. I remeber once taking my basset for a walk down the beach when she was 6 months old who whilst on the lead was attacked by a staffy type of dog. The staffy type was off the lead and came from nowhere with an unprovoked attack. Funilly enough the owner was a mouth breathing retard who went on to explain "that the dog had never done it before innit mate"

I am sorry to say that it is a distinct case of nature and nurture when it comes to all breeds of dog. It just so happens that some breads do have a greater potential for violence and that this is in proportion to the ability and capacity of the dog. An angry pit will do more damage than an angry bichon frise simple

No doubt there are some lovely pits out there who would not hurt a fly andsome very responsible owners but just remember the potential for damage that these dogs posses. Dogs are a highly emmotive subject for a lot of people and sometimes commom sense takes a back seat when we discuss our loveable little wolves. But lets be real people and get some perspective no dog should be left alone with a baby. I will say that again and shout it from the rooftopsNO DOG SHOULD BE LEFT ALONE WITH A BABY.

And as to the person who said that the parents deserved what happened to the baby . You sir or madam need some serious perspective in your life and I hope the next time you sit down for a dump its a pineapple!

Originally posted by getreadyalready

Do you think Pitbulls are the only dogs that act like dogs?

I can spot a trick question a mile away.

Originally posted by BiggerPicture
Shame this happens to innocent bystander - being mauled to death on your daily walk wherever - and it happens all the time?

what a sense of security, not only that they are allowed, but they are SUCH a popular breed.

such a popularly abused and "disposable" breed, that is.

Notice in the first video its not a single dog but two dogs that attack they were forming a "pack" usually the most dominant one control the other and when a dog assume leader position its by far more prone to react to its instincts and be impulsive than it would if it would assume a follower position. They probably were stray dogs or dogs that were kept tied to a 3 foot chain for their whole life and they broke the chain so they are wandering and stressed so they will be prone to attack.

Also it can be fighting dogs that lost and where just abandoned on the side of the street or left for dead and they don't die but when they recover they are traumatized and can be very explosive.



Second video I'm not even surprised, and I think its funny how this is used to made this breed look bad. Pitbull are "swissknife" dogs they were breed for working and hunting they have something called "drive" this is the trait you are looking for in hunting dogs you want a dog that has a strong urge to chase and hunt things smaller than him.

This trait was breed into the dog and hence why you must never leave a Pitbull or any terrier dogs with strange or recent new pet acquisition...

Blaming the breed for this is like blaming your cat from killing your pet mice... Also another thing to take in consideration is the nose "snub" nosed dogs and long nose dogs tends to be stressed the first time they see a dog that isn't like them it can start fights because they are both stressed.

Lastly there was 3 dogs in a backyard surrounded by fences... Two dogs will go along well as usually you have 50/50 of getting a dominant or a submissive dog so you'll likely end up with a dominant and a submissive one so its likely that the submissive will never challenge the dominant one so they'll go along...

Problem arise a 3 dogs you have lots of chance of getting 2 dominant and also the dog that was previously 2nd in command doesn't want to lose his status so he will assume dominance over the smaller/new dog. Also at the age the sheppardish looking dead puppy is he looks around 4-6 months will is when they have a "teenager crisis" and challenge authority u can often see this when they've been potty trained for awhile but all of a sudden start peeing on the floor and seemingly purposely doing stuff to piss you off lol...

Its likely the smaller dog challenged the older one and it resulted in a fatal bite or the bigger one just tried to teach a lesson to the smaller one and didn't intend to kill it... Lets not forget Pitbull's PLAY ROUGH!!! at some point I had 1 purebreed pit and a half breed one and they were both dominant and lemme tell you when they would play fight it would sound like a friggen earthquake...

For the small ugly dog well cmon... A dog breed for hunting that went for a small furry annoying thing that runs around... its just asking for it...

As I said you can't leave a cat and a mouse together then come back and be shocked cuz the cat killed the mouse the cat is a natural hunter, and Pits were originally bred to be tuff farm all around dogs they could use to herd bulls, carry or pull heavy loads and hunt.

Its the ignorance that gets to me.
See my boy on the left? My avatar? What breed is he??

Ignorant people cant tell one breed from another and lump ALL bully breeds into "PIT BULL"... a dog theyre scared of. Thats where legislation can go wrong. Is it a putbull if its a pit cross with a lab?? Might look like a pit. How about my dog? he isnt a pit bull but he is a "pure breed".... what is he?

Blue over there has a best buddy. He is my 8 lb hairless chinese crested. They play and blue is gentle with him. I have a 6 yr old and Blue follows her like a shadow and when she wandered too close to the street he led her back to the middle of the yard by standing in front of her and bumping her. My middle child is transplant recipient, when she was sick recently he laid by her and whined and snuggled her. Blue takes his cues from me. If I am wary of someone he is wary. If I am okay with a stranger he is okay.

Blue is a near perfect to breed standard Staffordshire Bull Terrier. A separate breed recognized as separate from a pit by the Kennel Clubs. They have a common ancestor to the American Pit Bull, but are NOT the same breed and arent even built the same, yet every idiot out there comments on him being a pit bull.

Originally posted by Advantage
Its the ignorance that gets to me.
See my boy on the left? My avatar? What breed is he??

Ignorant people cant tell one breed from another and lump ALL bully breeds into "PIT BULL"... a dog theyre scared of. Thats where legislation can go wrong. Is it a putbull if its a pit cross with a lab?? Might look like a pit. How about my dog? he isnt a pit bull but he is a "pure breed".... what is he?

Blue over there has a best buddy. He is my 8 lb hairless chinese crested. They play and blue is gentle with him. I have a 6 yr old and Blue follows her like a shadow and when she wandered too close to the street he led her back to the middle of the yard by standing in front of her and bumping her. My middle child is transplant recipient, when she was sick recently he laid by her and whined and snuggled her. Blue takes his cues from me. If I am wary of someone he is wary. If I am okay with a stranger he is okay.

Blue is a near perfect to breed standard Staffordshire Bull Terrier. A separate breed recognized as separate from a pit by the Kennel Clubs. They have a common ancestor to the American Pit Bull, but are NOT the same breed and arent even built the same, yet every idiot out there comments on him being a pit bull.

Actually pitbulls and amstaff were one and the same dog up to a couple hundreds years ago where the "breed" if we can call it a breed as we all know there's not such thing as a "pure" pitbull they were bred from intermixing many dog to save certain of their traits for working dogs.

In the US they used them for fighting, they labeled the fighting bloodline "American (Pit) Bull Terrier" and the show bloodline "american staffordshire terrier".

But your right people ignorance is sad most people wouldn't even be able to tell this dog from a lab.



The worst are those "bull pitbull" its sad how these people disregard the fact that breeding a large dog with a small/medium one will cause the pups to not have properly proportionate organs... Some of these have more muscles than their lung capacity can support oxygen wise...

Poor things can't even smell their own rear....

Another Pitbull who was raised from a pup around a family, killing someone.

abcnews.go.com...

And he'd never bit anyone before.

reply to post by AGWskeptic


That story is BS. Did you watch the video and listen to the tape? Who talks about their mauled father that way? He doesn't sound upset at all that his father is dead, he just sounds annoyed at the dispatchers. There has to be much more to that story. He only euthanized the dog because he was facing citations for having a violent dog?

Maybe its true, maybe not, maybe there was a reason, maybe not, who knows. Hell, maybe it was someone else's dog, or a coyote or a cougar that killed the old man and the dog was protecting him? The guy says he has no idea what happened, they just assumed it was the dog, and he wanted to fight for the dog, but when he found out he might face a citation, he just let the dog be euthanized.

Too many unknowns to blame that on the entire breed.

Well I know it's been a while since this topic was posted but here is my essay I posted...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The problem is the owners. I live in brighton.uk, and there are many
idiots walking around with dogs. The problem is, these dogs are fashion
itrms to alot of these idiots. They walk aroind all hard because they have
a bitball I think it should be law that these dogs wear muzzles. If a dog
is seen without one, then its an instant fine. I know most people.with dogs
are decent, but there are too many of these idiots.aroind.