Yet another Baby Mauled to Death by PIT BULL - Should they be Banned?

IMHO different breeds of dog require owners of different experience levels.

For example, almost anyone would be able to own a Labrador Retriever because they are very sociable and loving animals that require the most basic level of dog ownership knowledge. Whereas breeds like Dobermans and even Staffies or Collies require a totally different level of dog ownership experience.

Even knowing common sense things like "Don't buy a hound if you have cats" because the hound is genetically predisposed to chase small, fast moving animals, should be tested for ownership of certain breeds of dog, because when it comes to dogs like Pit Bulls, Staffies and the like you need to be a lot more than a responsible dog owner, you must also be a knowledgeable one and include the proper training in your dogs daily routines.

So instead of demonising the dog, lets demonise the idiot owners that do not have the experience and in many cases the intelligence to own/control such animals.

Oh and for the record, I have been attacked by a Pit Bull when I worked as a Security Guard on building sites. And the poor thing had to be put down. And it wasn't the idiot owner they threatened to charge, it was me for killing the poor creature.

Rev

Originally posted by truthinfact
reply to post by ignant

 

There is more to this story.

They murdered that baby.

Consider the put bull the "Gun"


Can be used for good(love)

can be used for bad (attack)

Negligent Homicide

Lock them up 5-8 years each. Shouldn't have reproduced in the first place. Poor dog, I feel bad, he will receive the worse punishment, and I do not truly believe it was his fault.

Indeed, leaving a baby (or an elder!) unattended with a dog type bred specifically for KILLING is negligent homicide, indeed.

reply to post by AGWskeptic


So you know the real story huh? You are aware he was having a stroke don't you? Before the cat touched him. Where is your source of all these tiger experts that said it tried to kill him. If there really are any then I 'd say they are not very good experts.
So not deleted for off topic......


Ban dumb owners, not pit bulls.

Originally posted by RSF77
Some people are so transparently stupid its really sad.

Honestly I'm more worried about a mob a geniuses like we have here one day deciding green eyes are evil and they should kill us all more so than I am any dog. It's like the beginning of the holocaust all over again.

This attitude and crowd mentality type of hatred will one day culminate into something so stupid it will be read about in history books.

edit on 19-2-2012 by RSF77 because: (no reason given)

You think we'll make it that far, or will we just end up killing ourselves.

reply to post by ignant


Is it a coincidence that your name is very similar to ignorant?

reply to post by stanats


Actually my reasoning for having this breed of dog is manyfold actually.
I have had nothing but good pits, they are beautiful pack loving "animals".
If needed they are more than adequate to protect us from 4 legged critters of any size.
(no animal without a disease would ever consider going against a pack of dogs, not even big cats or bears).
Now the fact that they intimidate the ignorant humans who know them as "killers" is just icing on the cake.
I do not have to think too far back when pits were used as police dogs.
But now yes many departments use sheps exclusively.
Very few rots or dobies.

Dogs are bred for specific things.

People who think pit bull problems are only because of bad owners are just as wrong as people who think pit bulls are bad.

Pit bulls were bred to fight. period.

When a collie starts rounding up and herding the neighborhood children, no one says they are dangersous, no one says it is bad owners. It is the nature of the collies. Do ALL collies herd children? No. But they do have a propensity to it. As that is what they are bred to do.

Any who has ever owned and Irish Setter knows that they have a tendency to run, not next door but you will find them two counties over. Is this breeding or bad ownership? That is what they have been bred to do. Some may not do it.


Huskies pat down imaginary snow.

some pointers,point.

Dalmations are very hyperactive, because they were bred to run under fire carriages for miles upon miles.

Bully dogs were bred to fight. Becaue fighting used to be a socially acceptable sport. So for those who think it is just bad owners, you are just as wrong as those who think they are all bloodthirsty,.

But they do have a higher propensity to be so, just like you WONT find them herding children.

Dobermans, rotties, akitas, bullies all have thick hind legs that lean because biting advantage comes from the back legs. Then you got the broad head and snout of rotties and bullies that make them stronger fighting machines.

What makes pit bulls particularly dangerous is that when they decide to attack, they go very aggressively, AND THEY DO NOT SHOW WARNING.

It is nice to hear heart warming stories of family pets.but to deny that you have a breed that was designed to attack makes you just as bad as an owner who ignores any warning signs that any aggressive dog gives, because you don't want to admit that your dog has these genes, and that it is now an unacceptable trait in today's society.

For those who think they are all attack machines, there are owners who know what they are doing enough to properly train a dog, and can read a dog well enough to know its limits.

reply to post by getreadyalready

I am 59kg soaking wet and was kicking the fu#$% out of it, it was a English pit x, it happen so fast it was not funny, all so i trying to protect my little ones just in case it turned on them. I don't understand it and nether does the owner, who was a little lady. She ended up having the dog put down as she had children who saw the attack as well. "Not by my request"

As i said i am a small bloke i had no chance once it latched on to me. I am now part of a local dog attack support group, i know young children with tops of fingers missing facial scars and other adults that have been attacked by family pets. It is all fun and games until someone gets hurt right..?

All you can do is hope it never happens.

As for the children not only my kids but the dozen there at the park saw it all happen, Can you imagine the effects of my attack alone had on the young ones at the park seeing a dog attack. the screaming the crying as i was laying there was the worst thing i have ever experienced in my life,

reply to post by nixie_nox


Okay..... So should they be banned or not?

reply to post by ignant

Hello ignant and anyone that "loves" Pit bulls!!

I will give you my experience with those "lovely" creatures.

Back in the early 90's we were just starting our family and moved into the pseudo backwoods of Lacombe, LA.
We had a nice little three bedroom house on a dirt road, no outlet and we were the only house on the road.

In the morning the deer would come up into or front yard and we would feed them corn and hay.
Beautiful and calm.

We had two children, the oldest, a girl, 6 and a boy, 4 years old.
Well, they wanted a bunny for a pet. We bought a Lop eared bunny for them. I even built the bunny a nice hutch about 3ft.(1m) above the ground with a screen bottom so we could collect the droppings (and subsequent earth worms) for our vegetable garden.

Unfortunately we had a neighbor that lived about 1/2 mile away on another road that raised those beautiful and "tame" Pit Bulls. He let them roam the area unattended which we found out the hard way.

One weekend day we saw his "puppies" running with a pack of feral dogs down OUR road.
We got the kids out of the front yard, which was not fenced, within minutes of an attack by the pack.

I called the St. Tammany Parish police and they came and told the owner of the cute little Pit Bulls that he would have to keep them penned up because they were a danger to the children (not just ours) in the area.
He agreed to pen them up. (Yeah Right!)

One day the kids, being kids, let the gate to the backyard open.
Unfortunately for our bunny, her hutch was directly inside the gate and our friendly neighbor's Pit Bull "puppies" were wandering around with their feral buddies and chewed the feet off of our bunny.
I took the bunny to the Vet and it cost me more than the bunny to get her feet fixed.
Two of her feet had to be amputated. BUT the kids LOVED that bunny!!!
(We could have had a much cheaper rabbit dinner, but NO!)
Anyone with kids and pets can relate to their attachment.

So I called the Sheriff again.
They came out, looked at the bunny, the Vet bill and the look on my kid's faces.
The "LAW" states that any animal that endangers livestock (read: bunnies) or private property or inhabitants (read: my children) may be taken down for self protection.

So in order to protect my family, "livestock" (bunny) and property I took it upon myself to ask my neighbor, in person, to please pen his "cute" Pit Bulls. The Sheriff also talked to him and his wife.
In no uncertain terms, he told me they were his dogs and he will let them run wherever they wanted.
And I, in no uncertain terms, told him that if I see his "cute puppies" on my road, property or within 50 yards of my family he will be coming to collect their bodies.
Needless to say we did not part on good terms.

Well, a few weeks went by with no incident.
And then one day I was sitting in the backyard, in the middle of a beautiful Saturday morning, playing with the kids and I hear this outrageous barking, howling and the bunny is having fits bouncing all around her hutch.
The dogs were banging against the fence, trying to jump over it to get to the bunny.
I ran over and scared them away.
I immediately went in, got my Remington 700ADL, .300RUM and 12X scope, loaded it and sat on my front porch.
The kids and wife were safe inside the house and I called the Sheriff again!

Before the Sheriff arrived, the pack arrived heading down the road with my "neighbors" dog in the lead.
I took his head off at about 25 yards. The other dogs kept coming and I took of my neighbor's female Pit's head off at about 15 yards. The rest of the pack turned and hauled ass.

The Sheriff arrived about 20 minutes later. He went for the owner, had him collect the carcasses and arrested him for endangerment and a myriad of other charges.

Needless to say everyone was safe, including the other neighbor's children and pets.

If you do not believe this story, you can check with the St. Tammany Sheriff's office regarding these incidents that are on record from September, 1991. I don't remember the exact day.

Be safe and eliminate the BS Pit bull "breed"!

73's,
Tom

ETA: We also breed Golden Retrievers, the BEST DOG IN THE WORLD!!!

reply to post by nixie_nox


They weren't bred to fight humans, so wouldn't that make your point moot? If you have ever been around any number of dogs, you'll see that many of them have a happy disposition with humans but get aggressive with other dogs. Pit bulls are dog aggressive if anything, they haven't been bred to be human aggressive. They get that way when humans teach them that, so I don't understand how that makes me wrong or how that is even a point.

Dogs have been bred for a long, LONG time to cooperate with humans. A lot longer than they have been bred to fight each other. There are some dogs have been bred and trained to attack humans, the pit bull isn't one of them.

The problem isn't the dog. We brought dogs into existence and have cared for them as kin for thousands upon thousands of years, only recently have humans started using them as status symbols, neglecting them (because they aren't as necessary as awareness dogs) and breeding them for fighting. The things that you talk about are relatively new as far as lineage and breeding is concerned.

The pit bull didn't just pop into existence via jurassic park method, its lineage comes from a lot older dogs, obviously. Just because someone bred pit bulls into existence to fight a while ago doesn't automatically nullify the other 99% percent of the dogs lineage and breed traits.

Originally posted by andersensrm
reply to post by nixie_nox

 

Okay..... So should they be banned or not?

Short answer:
No, they should be eliminated.

73's,
Tom

reply to post by ignant


Excellent point made in the first video.
"The owner FINALLY got home.
Properly supervised these children would have not gotten in the cookie jar, properly supervised our children do the same.
We all need structure.
This is why kids in the ghetto join gangs and commit crimes, they get the gang mentality and attack when there is no strong pack leader.

(Edit)
I wonder if the guy in the wheelchair stays out at the fence to rile the dogs up?
Looks very possible to me.

reply to post by nixie_nox

You wrote....
",What makes pit bulls particularly dangerous is that when they decide to attack, they go very aggressively, AND THEY DO NOT SHOW WARNING. "

You are spreading complete lies. All dogs give signals. You obviously know nothing about dog behavior. Your probably one of those that ignores their pets, and just pets them when walking by. Do you have a pit? Ever studied pits? Didn't think so. Why not learn a little more before spreading lies....

"While Cesar believes that dogs should be loved, he also believes and advocates for boundaries in a human/ dog relationship. His belief is that a pit bull who recognizes boundaries is less likely to be aggressive or fearful. The mistake many people make when "loving" their dog, is to let the dog take liberties and do as it wants. This is a mistake with many breeds, but especially within the pit bull breed. Pit bulls do not know their own strength, so behavior that may be cute with a smaller dog, such as nipping, can have serious repercussions within a breed like the pit bull. Cesar recommends that the breed be shown love and affection, but that pit bull owners do not mistake love for letting their dogs run wild. Establishing the owner as the pack leader and setting clear behavior rules enable the dogs to be easily trained and handled.
Pit bulls are often mistakenly perceived as aggressive. Cesar has worked to do away with this misperception, by teaching people that in actuality, pit bulls are people loving and intelligent. It is only through mistreatment that they become hostile. The pit bull breed is very human oriented and loves to socialize. Pit bulls should be taught at a young age what is acceptable within their world and what is not. Most importantly, owners should never fear their dogs. Millan works hard to train owners to be good, responsible caregivers to their pit bulls."
www.pitbulls.org...

reply to post by tomdham


That's owner negligence.
I'm not denying there are 'bad' pitbulls out there, but that IS due to the owner's attitude.
I would own another pitbull at the drop of a hat, if I didn't already have four dogs.
None of my dogs are allowed to roam, nor do they go out in public without a lead.

Repetition: our Pitbull X was never aggressive towards anyone, human or animal. He loved cuddles, slept on our bed and was arguably better socialised than I am
He also responded to our every command, was the most obedient dog I have ever owned and recognised his boundaries.

Originally posted by tomdham

Originally posted by andersensrm
reply to post by nixie_nox

 

Okay..... So should they be banned or not?

Short answer:
No, they should be eliminated.

73's,
Tom

Yea I knew someone that was killed by a horse. All horses should be eliminated. I also know some one who was killed by another human. So all humans should be eliminated. I know, we can solve all the problems instantly. Lets just kill everything, just drill a hole to the center of the earth, and drop all our nukes down there and detonate. Man I love when people come up with such great solutions.

reply to post by sickofitall2012


Agreed, I would cover the bite mars one and all with bullet holes!
Sorry officer, my folks bred me to fight and I went red...
Hence the 300 bullet holes!

Originally posted by tomdham

Originally posted by andersensrm
reply to post by nixie_nox

 

Okay..... So should they be banned or not?

Short answer:
No, they should be eliminated.

73's,
Tom

Then what........
Back to German shepards, rotweillers, labs, mastiffs, great pyrenees, retrievers, dobermans, and chows.
Nonsense.

Got rid of all the cats once.... then....... The Black Plague.
Humans need to go to a planet with nothing to exploit and kill, except each other.

Originally posted by andersensrm

Originally posted by tomdham

Originally posted by andersensrm
reply to post by nixie_nox

 

Okay..... So should they be banned or not?

Short answer:
No, they should be eliminated.

73's,
Tom

Yea I knew someone that was killed by a horse. All horses should be eliminated. I also know some one who was killed by another human. So all humans should be eliminated. I know, we can solve all the problems instantly. Lets just kill everything, just drill a hole to the center of the earth, and drop all our nukes down there and detonate. Man I love when people come up with such great solutions.

Horse are not now bred to kill.
I know someone that was also killed by a horse.
The horse was not at fault. The rider was.
End of that straw man argument!
T

I live in brighton England, and we have a problem with
idiots and their bit balls. I am more concerned now
because i have a five month old daughter.

I made a thread a year back about this. About a year ago,
i came out my flat enterence, and this old woman was
crying. She had a few people around her. When i looked
down, there was this small dog lying there with the throat
ripped out. Was not a nice site

She said she was just about to go into the flats when this
drunken man with his pitball, asked if she could let him in.
Suddenly the dog got loose and grabbed her poor little dog
and killed it. He said "sorry live" and just walked off!

The sad fact is its more of a fashion thing for alot of these
bitball owners. They walk around like they are hard men with
these dogs.They are living, breathing stereotypes.

I see them here in brighton without a lead or muzzle. Heck,
even some of the homless people have them here in brighton.