Democracy, Communism, or Islamism?

Can I ask you all a serious question?

This is really in response to the Rothschilds and Global Domination thread, but I did not want that thread to get off topic so decided to post my question for you instead here, and hopefully draw in more opinions.

What is your goal?

A lot of you seem to have an agenda to see the downfall of the U.S. and Israel (pretty much every NATO nation and their alliance to each other). This might not be your agenda but a lot of you give off this impression. Ill admit I seem to have an agenda. But whats most certain is that all were doing is fighting with each other and trying to prove whose country is worse.

If you dislike the U.S./Israeli system of governments, then what would you like to see in their place?

Communism or Islamism?

This is just a question.

Can somebody answer me and point out what they would like to see in place of what we have?

The way I see it - there are problems with every country. Every country has killed, and has done things they are not proud of. Does that mean the country has to be brought to its destruction? Which system of government advances the Human race and which holds us back? Can you guys not look at the kind of life you have in these countries and ask yourself which you prefer? Isnt the kind of government that lets you riddle it with criticism the only kind of government worth living in?

If the United States falls, where else do you go that gives you that right? Do you think Britain or Canada or Australia is going to be around long when America is a thing of the past? When have wars ever been avoidable? I will admit the U.S. has never been at peace in its short history. Some people need killing and others dont. We export violence and death to those who would oppose Western power and influence and are ruthless and cunning in it. But which system of government is worth fighting for to preserve?

Im not trying to bring negativity to this conversation - I would appreciate a very well thought out and constructive response. I would just like to hear what kind of alternative is any better then the system in place in the U.S. now, and I see that you either pick a side or you die and thats out of our control. I appreciate this country and the rights it gives me. You may call me blind for this, but I can visibly see how rights in other countries are violently stamped on by their governments and thats not propaganda. This government accepts everybody for whatever they are. I am gay. In many countries I would be killed for this. I am also an atheist. I would be killed for this in several places around the world too. I also sometimes criticize my government and that is also a penalty worth death in several places around the world. Please dont call me a war monger either. I just am very interested in military history and think more people in more places all over the world lived way worse lives before the West put in place its aggressive foreign policies, then the few people in few parts of the world today that we dont have any influence over, and I think that an isolationist ideology only pulls us back into the kind of world I dont want to live in.

I want everybody to be happy and free to do what they want, but I also think we need laws to protect us from each other. I am for the Earth and everybody and everything that lives on it, and the sooner we can stop building bombs and put that money into things like education and science the sooner well be able to do some actual good for our species. I just want to get to there.

Thank you.

(and please dont say anarchy because I dont want children being molested and women raped every day and nobody faces consequences for behavior like that)

Just give me that thing we were promised in our constitution.

You know... The "law of the land?" I want my Democratic Republic back, not this sham that is being pulled over our eyes.

I advocate that humanity as a hole adopt a more sustainable approach to the world,where we all have access to resources,since that's what's important not money,and which in the lack of thereof it causes needless suffering in the world.That system is a Resource Based Economy.

Today we have the technologies to build a system that actually takes care of the hole of humanity and not just a few like in capitalism.

I'd like to recommend anyone interested in such a system to check out the following videos:

www.zeitgeistmovingforward.com... - A great presentation of the flaws of today's system and the bad influence it has in our values,society and education as a hole.

While this following video brings a good summary of what a Resource Based Economy is all about.



As well as this one:



These videos offer a basic education of the problems of our world and how we may have a choice to change all that.

Also a brief presentation of what education in a Resource Based Economy would be like:

tzmeducation.org...

a benevolent monarch is a good system or maybe some holographic type govt

How about freedom?

I won't obligate myself by alligiance to any government. They are all corrupt in that they are formed from the outset to oppress a minority at the will of a majority.

The best government is self government.

As I am born free, free I will remain.

You can have your nations.

The Plan


With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by theBigToe

I don't want to see the US fall and I do not advocate Communism or Islamism, but to answer your question:

Originally posted by theBigToe
...what kind of alternative is any better then the system in place in the U.S. now...

In my opinion the German Social Market Economy is superior to the current system in the US.
Although still relatively young, it's arguably the best balanced and most successfull political system we know of today.
Born in the aftermath of fascism, designed to withstand socialism and aiming for an economic order compatible with human freedom.

The federal competences in it are designed for a much smaller country though, so it probably wouldn't be applicable 1:1 to the vast United States of America.

Originally posted by biggmoneyme
a benevolent monarch is a good system or maybe some holographic type govt

Always up for a monarchy. If they get out of hand.. It's the Gulliotine for them. Yeah.. I like that idea!

reply to post by theRhenn

Always up for a monarchy. If they get out of hand.. It's the Gulliotine for them. Yeah.. I like that idea!

Given the ratio between monarchs who got out of hand vs monarchs who had a close encounter with gulliotine ,i'd say your plan has a bit of a tiny flaw. Even if you throw in all the monarchs who were dispatched off by other means when public (or to be more precise - aristocratic elites) was not happy with their performance (or wanted to take their place) , the numbers are still not that good.
Maybe the idea of voting bad leader out of office that he cannot hold for long time in any case is still better, hmm? Maybe we just need to refine the balance of power ?

reply to post by theBigToe
Good question!

I'm partial to a representative republic myself. But look forward to the other answers.

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
reply to post by theRhenn

 

Always up for a monarchy. If they get out of hand.. It's the Gulliotine for them. Yeah.. I like that idea!

Given the ratio between monarchs who got out of hand vs monarchs who had a close encounter with gulliotine ,i'd say your plan has a bit of a tiny flaw. Even if you throw in all the monarchs who were dispatched off by other means when public (or to be more precise - aristocratic elites) was not happy with their performance (or wanted to take their place) , the numbers are still not that good.
Maybe the idea of voting bad leader out of office that he cannot hold for long time in any case is still better, hmm? Maybe we just need to refine the balance of power ?

edit on 18-2-2012 by ZeroKnowledge because: (no reason given)

I consider that, but I dunno. I think the people of today are more knowledgeable than in the past. I think that based on who we are today, ya never know.. We just might Then again, people seem more afraid to stand up against any government today. We seem to be afraid that if we even think lightly about it, we'll be snatched up one by one and locked away, even though our own laws are supposed to protect us from that.

Scary though, it seems that people in 3rd world countries are more apt to taking matter into their own hands than we are. But then... they're also being butchered. So far, it hasnt been a matter of life or death here.... Yet.

Electronic constitutional direct democracy.

Originally posted by Maslo
Electronic constitutional direct democracy.

I agree with Electronic constitutional direct democracy so that you get rid of the currupted elite on the top of the power pyramid. A dynamic world where people can choose where they wanna live based on their ideas on where they fit in and how they wanna live. Voting should be as localised as possible and differances should be allowed around the world.

Resource economy is a nice idea also since we need to move away from competitive economic systemes based on the power pyramid. If not for the benifit of the people then for the benifit of nature so that we don't permanently destroy this planet.

If you put these 2 ideas together it becomes from my view communism. It have never existed on this planet that I know of. Every country that have called themselves communist have been dictatorships with the power pyramid controling from the top to the classes below. Service to all by all controlled by all instead of service to self/few/ego by all controlled by one/few. The problem is that this system does only work when the people are taught responsability. Someday I think humanity will have this system because technology will have come so far that competing for resources is wasteful in time. If we can survive for so long.

But I do not have the right to tell anyone how the system is supposed to work in any region than the one I live in.

I agree with the OP and Beezzer.

A resource based economy is a great idea on paper. However it doesn't take into consideration human nature. Until we can get rid of the gene that causes people to be competitive and some psycopathic this will not work. There is always going to be someone who wants to be at the top and control everything.

I had a longer post with some examples of countries I have been to but deleted it. I would like to hear everyones opinion before I respond again.

reply to post by Maslo


In my opinion that system would not work either. With the radical left and the radical right we almost have a variation of that. If we had a direct cemocracy the people would vote for whoever promised them the most benefits. That is the downfall of that system. If you look at the US government right now we have radicals on both extremes. Religious on the right and benefits on the left. Our politicans are whoring themselves out to the groups they think they can win over to thier point of view. But the problem is they are all bought and paid for by BIG MONEY.

If we could go back in time to the 1950s and keep our technology and social advances we would be better off. The people of the US are the ones to blame for what is going on. We allowed it. Of course the politicians are taking advantage of it. The problem as I see it is nobody wants to take responsibility for themselves or thier family. Both of my daughters still live at home and one of them is married and pregnant. I take care of my family and I take responsibility for where I am at in life.

Sorry for getting a little off topic but that's how it goes sometimes when I get started.

I've turned sour on democracy. I think a republic with strictly defined powers, much greater local autonomy, and where government had the mandate and most importantly, the revenue to do much less would be good for human freedom.

I guess no one wants to explain the other options

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This entire thread is based on the assumption that Western systems of government are Democracies.

This is completely erroneous.

Also I believe referring to any form of government as "Islamism" is idiotic in the extreme.

Robots. If you look at the fall of every government in the history of earth they all have on thing in common , they were run by humans. Different Nations , Different Races , Different Gods but all the same species. Like a poster before me seed until we can weed out the gene that makes Humans competitive and psychotic we have to find a replacement species to take over for us. Once every human on earth agrees to Peace and No War and to give to the Sick and The Needy we can have our government back. Like AutoPilot for the Human Race.


We've been focused on keeping ourselves alive and fighting for survival for so long that are minds haven't had the chance to catch up to Technology. We need to fix this by taking a break for a while.

This thread proved to me that very few on this site actually care about trying to discuss a solution to the problems and only care about kicking dirt at the United States and its allies, more reasons for me to not want to listen to anything that comes out of the mouths of people like that.

Thanks for proving the point. Thanks to the few of you that took a minute or two to write an actually meaningful response to my question.

reply to post by Ixtab


A government ruled by Sharia is a government ruled by Islam. That is "Islamism".

BTW, are you suggesting that in the United States we dont vote? Ignore Presidential elections, lets discuss gay marriage for a second here. Are those votes rigged too?

Think more. Thank you and have a good day.