Freedom of Speech - An excuse to be Openly an Anti-Muslim

reply to post by phantomjack

They drew first blood.

Negative, the 1991 Gulf war, and '89 libyan bombing and even earlier things

They are screaming to wipe Israel and the USA off the map.

Only in self defense, they have had their neighbors wiped out. Don't you think the Iraqis would be screaming to wipe us out because we came in and destroyed their country? We went in and killed their country, of course they would be asking for our blood.

WE were attacked on 9.11.

Because of our war in iraq in 1991 and our support for dictators in the middle east and our killing in the middle east and our occupation of muslim lands.

I didn't see an outrcy to kill all Christians after Columbine, or Oklahoma City Bombings, or the shootings in Europe that we've seen recently.

None of those tragedies had a religious motive... Also, I have never actually heard anyone calling for the deaths of all muslims, have you?

reply to post by Atzil321


Not the first two, but the Norway shootings were regarding Islam..that's a religious motive. Either way, everytime a "muslim" or somebody of Middle Eastern decent does something terrible, we automatically equate that with Islam or some terrorist group using religion as a means to move their agenda forward.

Either way, the outcry against Islam and Muslims is pretty hypocritical.

~Tenth

reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

If you hate freedom of speech, why not relocate somewhere where you won't be annoyed by it? China, Iran, North Korea all feel the same as you regarding free speech. Why not move to one of those?

reply to post by DarthMuerte


I never said I hate freedom of speech, I said that people are using it as an excuse to be openly anti-muslim, quite a difference there.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by phantomjack

 

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Actually, the religion of Islam and the Muslims of the world didn't get together and decide to attack the United States. You can't blame a whole group of people for the actions of a few.

I didn't see an outrcy to kill all Christians after Columbine, or Oklahoma City Bombings, or the shootings in Europe that we've seen recently.

You have misplaced fear and hatred for an entire group of people for the again, the actions of a very few extremists.

Should we abolish Christianity because a few priests have been molesting kids? Should be abolish our police forces because a few overstep their authority? Should we stop using doctors because a few of them are found guilty of malpractice?

Of course we should not, why is it any different with Muslims?

It isn't. You seem to believe in the fear propaganda that your country has been sewing in your mind for the last 12 years. All in an effort to continue imperialist occupations of nations in the Middle East.

As for being attacked, do 3000 America lives equal 500 thousand Iraqi lives?

~Tenth

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

edit on 2/18/2012 by tothetenthpower because: (no reason given)

Sorry, I should have said "Radical Islam" and not ganged all of Islam into the conversation. I have absolutely no problem with Muslims or any other religion for that matter. What I have a problem with ANY religion that tries to shove their religion down my throat, in the case of Islam -- Sharia Law.

Sharia Law has its place, but not here, not in America.

500K Iraqi Lives? Well, I dont know what your argument is, as 3000 Americans were murdered for no reason, whereas innocent Iraqi's lost their lives while we freed their country from tyranny. How many lives were lost in WWI? WWII? for purposes of freedom?

Yes, war is hell. I wish we could rid the world of this hell. But unfortunately, not you, not I, will live to see a world without war.

It all comes down to GREED. Get rid of GREED and you can rid the planet of war.

Originally posted by Zatox
reply to post by ALLDRAFT

 

Islam will prevail. We are the greatest religion on earth, the Muslims you hear on your t.v or where ever.. they are not Muslims, ok? Get this through your head.

edit on 18-2-2012 by Zatox because: (no reason given)

Sounds like hate speak to me! I reckon we have to accept it... because it's from a Muslim.

See ya,
Milt

reply to post by BenReclused


No different than saying USA is the greatest country on earth and the USA will prevail...is that hate speech?

Originally posted by phantomjack

Sorry, I should have said "Radical Islam" and not ganged all of Islam into the conversation. I have absolutely no problem with Muslims or any other religion for that matter. What I have a problem with ANY religion that tries to shove their religion down my throat, in the case of Islam -- Sharia Law.

Oh, well then we agree on that. Radical anything is terrible. Unless the word after is Freedom...

Sharia Law has its place, but not here, not in America.

500K Iraqi Lives? Well, I dont know what your argument is, as 3000 Americans were murdered for no reason, whereas innocent Iraqi's lost their lives while we freed their country from tyranny. How many lives were lost in WWI? WWII? for purposes of freedom?

I'm just saying, Iraq didn't ask us to come help them. We went there on the pretense that they had something to do with attacking the US, when in fact they didn't. And if you watch documentaries about Iraq, people weren't that upset with how he was running the country. That's not to say we would find it totally and completely barbaric, but they didn't all that much.

It's not our job to police the world. Nations should stay out of other nation's business until there is clear and present danger to other nations around it and it is PROVEN that there is no diplomatic solution.

I'm just saying that they should stop doing the whole Imperialist thing and people would like you better. That's all.

~Tenth

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by phantomjack

 

They drew first blood.

Negative, the 1991 Gulf war, and '89 libyan bombing and even earlier things

They are screaming to wipe Israel and the USA off the map.

Only in self defense, they have had their neighbors wiped out. Don't you think the Iraqis would be screaming to wipe us out because we came in and destroyed their country? We went in and killed their country, of course they would be asking for our blood.

WE were attacked on 9.11.

Because of our war in iraq in 1991 and our support for dictators in the middle east and our killing in the middle east and our occupation of muslim lands.

Come on bro. 1979 precedes 1991, and is unfortunately all that I remember about my first learning of Islam. So 1991 has nothing to do with the fact that men like Amadinijad MURDERED hostages taken on hijacked flights. All in the name of Islam.

We are not in the crusades. Christianity does not run around taking lives any more, or making threats to wipe a country or two off the map.

What exactly has Israel really done? They were given the land. So freaking what!

No, the games our government is playing in the middle east is wrong. COMPLETELY wrong. We SHOULD in fact get our asses out of their politics and religion. But would that make a difference? Would Iran stay silent and live their lives? Or would they continue to make threats against the world? Again, I doubt it. They are just as greedy as the USA is.

The solution to this answer, and for another topic, is we need extraterrestrial intervention. That would pretty much shut the mouths of ALL religions on earth, once and for all.

Just my opinion.

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by BenReclused

 

No different than saying USA is the greatest country on earth and the USA will prevail...is that hate speech?

Ah, actually, most people would call that the truth.

If it were not for the USA, the entire world would be a garbage dump.

Just a question if you dont mind so I know what point of view you are coming from -- Are you and American?

reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

I never said I hate freedom of speech, I said that people are using it as an excuse to be openly anti-muslim, quite a difference there.

Things are very different here in the uk, the establishment and msm are Politically correct almost the point of foaming at the mouth... It has made real debate about islam/muslims impossible. Even to raise concerns about the islamic encroachment on western civilization will have you branded an ignorant bigot faster than you can say allahu akbar...

All the Edl/Bnp types who mock all Muslims are just stupid morons, however since Islam is a political ideology, with it's own economic, judical and penal system then it's open to praise or condemnation just as Zionism, Communism and Democracy. Are you saying i cannot criticise a political ideology when because of it women are being stoned to death and young boys executed for the crime of being homosexuals, not a chance. suppose it's Americas fault for that right ? Down with Islamic Fascism. Being Anti Sharia does not make you racist, and your logic is exactly the same as the guy who made the thread you are replying to.

And this coming from someone who is Anti war and Anti Zionist.

One Law For all

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by phantomjack

 

Happened much much earlier in the 1950s with the CIA overthrow of their government. The reality is far more complex than Santorum or Fox news would tell you

Bull! This crap started with George Washington and the Barbary Coast Pirates! Learn your history without picking and choosing events that suit your agenda.

See ya,
Milt

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by DarthMuerte

 

I never said I hate freedom of speech, I said that people are using it as an excuse to be openly anti-muslim, quite a difference there.

Your entire opening post was anti-free speech.

When you criticise a black person it is racism
When you criticise a jew you it is anti-semitism
When you criticise a gay you are a bigot homophobic or intolerance
When you criticise a woman it is sexism or anti-feminism
When you criticize a country,they call it Treason
When you criticize a religious sect, they call it Hate
When you criticise a muslim you are exercising freedom of speech?

Maybe I am criticizing the black person because he is an idiotic puppet obviously controlled by the corporations and it has nothing to do with his skin color at all.

Maybe I criticize gays because their practices are disgusting and should be left only in their bedrooms instead of broadcast throughout the land.

Maybe I criticize the woman because she murdered my child, was told it was her "right" and I had no say about it?

Maybe I criticize a nation that refuses to obey it's own laws, that tortures and constantly steals from and lies to it's citizenry?

Maybe I criticize islam because it is a cult that glorifies the deaths of it's own young when they murder people on a bus or call for the death of a cartoonist?

Free speech. Don't like it? I don't care. Go somewhere where you are not burdened by such things as freedoms.

Originally posted by phantomjack

Oh, here we go again -- Bashing Fox News. Here is a question: Is Fox News Bush's fault too>?

I would say that Bush is Fox News fault to some degree. Any Republican now has to prostrate themselves before Fox News to be successful. They have to toe the line set forth by the network or face little or even negative coverage. How much coverage does Ron Paul get compared to the other candidates who are more or less Fox Network yes men?

On the discrimination issue, Muslims are definitively the target of discrimination in the west. Similarly, Christians face discrimination in Muslim countries. It's part of the age old religious wars that benefit no one except corrupt church leaders, politicians and arms dealers.

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by BenReclused

 

No different than saying USA is the greatest country on earth and the USA will prevail...is that hate speech?

Perhaps not, but that's not what the MAJORITY of most of us say!

See ya,
Milt

Originally posted by tothetenthpower

Originally posted by phantomjack

Sorry, I should have said "Radical Islam" and not ganged all of Islam into the conversation. I have absolutely no problem with Muslims or any other religion for that matter. What I have a problem with ANY religion that tries to shove their religion down my throat, in the case of Islam -- Sharia Law.

Oh, well then we agree on that. Radical anything is terrible. Unless the word after is Freedom...

Sharia Law has its place, but not here, not in America.

500K Iraqi Lives? Well, I dont know what your argument is, as 3000 Americans were murdered for no reason, whereas innocent Iraqi's lost their lives while we freed their country from tyranny. How many lives were lost in WWI? WWII? for purposes of freedom?

I'm just saying, Iraq didn't ask us to come help them. We went there on the pretense that they had something to do with attacking the US, when in fact they didn't. And if you watch documentaries about Iraq, people weren't that upset with how he was running the country. That's not to say we would find it totally and completely barbaric, but they didn't all that much.

It's not our job to police the world. Nations should stay out of other nation's business until there is clear and present danger to other nations around it and it is PROVEN that there is no diplomatic solution.

I'm just saying that they should stop doing the whole Imperialist thing and people would like you better. That's all.

~Tenth

edit on 2/18/2012 by tothetenthpower because: (no reason given)

Regardless of what you want to believe, we didn't go to Iraq because of 9-11. Afghanistan, yes. Iraq was for WMD -- which, if you read some of my posts in other threads, WMD were proven to have been found, but never reported because the liberal media refused to do so -- they could never admit Bush was Right.

At any rate, SOMEONE needs to be the leader. If the world was a company, there needs the existence of a SINGLE final decision maker.

You can't have 60 voices trying to make policy -- it simply won't work.

In this case, SOMEONE needs to police the world. We are the richest nation (at least were), with innovations that POWER the world. We have to defend all that we have created.

America has been the decision maker in all modern wars. If we don't do it, guess who will? Russia. China. Do you really want a world under Russian domination?

Really???

I saw a documentary once about freedom of speech and all of it's implications. In one part of it there was a guy shown at a hate rally in new york. He said at one point "YOU CAN'T STOP ME FROM CALLING THE WHITE MAN THE DEVIL!" He was right. No law will stop his hate-filled speech. And I would gladly fight to protect his right to say that nasty crap despite the fact that I am about as white as it gets. Speech should be FREE! Say what you want. I don't like that hate filled scum-bag....but I don't have to. I still believe in his right to spread his message. Just as I believe in MY right to speak my own beliefs aloud. "Free speech" doesn't serve as an excuse to be hatefull or racist. It does however, make it easier for me to recognise who I think is good and who I think is bad. A racist hatemonger isn't any less so because they don't feel they can voice those opinions.

Originally posted by phantomjack

Regardless of what you want to believe, we didn't go to Iraq because of 9-11. Afghanistan, yes. Iraq was for WMD -- which, if you read some of my posts in other threads, WMD were proven to have been found, but never reported because the liberal media refused to do so -- they could never admit Bush was Right.

NONSENSE -- PROVE IT! Sorry for the caps but there has NEVER been any evidence proving the WMD's were found. Liberal media? Are you kidding? If Fox had proof that Bush was right it would have been ALL over their network.

I need to see your posts with this "evidence" for WMD's in Iraq please.

At any rate, SOMEONE needs to be the leader. If the world was a company, there needs the existence of a SINGLE final decision maker.

No, nobody needs to "lead" the world. The world can lead itself. We don't need governments deciding what's best for people. I'm sorry.

You can't have 60 voices trying to make policy -- it simply won't work.

What? There should be no "world" policy. People should make their own laws as they see fit, within their own borders.

In this case, SOMEONE needs to police the world. We are the richest nation (at least were), with innovations that POWER the world. We have to defend all that we have created.

No, again, nobody needs to police the world. Keep your noses out of other people's business. And you aren't the richest nation in the world, if you factor in your debt you are one of the poorest in the world. And you have a FIAT currency. All the US has created is a dictatorship all around the world.

Occupying lands that DO NOT belong to them in the name of safety. Really? How many Americans have died due to terrorism in the last 6 years, that weren't soldiers?

America has been the decision maker in all modern wars. If we don't do it, guess who will? Russia. China. Do you really want a world under Russian domination?

The only reason that's true, is because the US started most of those wars, or was an instrumental part in influencing leaders of other nations to start conflicts. All dictators in the middle east are ones the US placed in power.

~Tenth