US Military Issues Warning to Ron Paul Supporters

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by v1rtu0s0
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There is a link to a facebook group in the email that has almost 20 thousand invited personel. The email specifically points this out. Unless you think it's fabricated of course. Maybe it didn't get sent to you?

I get all alerts on my AKO and my AMEDD account.

Not a whisper about this.

Again, bull shmootems.

Unless I'm out of the loop!

Nope, mine is empty too! But, just in case they are right and we are out of the loop...
RON PAUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also, that article in the UCMJ has been around for years. It was put into place so that political parties couldn't claim that the military backs them. One example was the Neo-Nazi Party tried to say they were backed by the army and marines to discourage voters.

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It says right on the email a reference to a feb 20 protest targetting military personnel, if Ron Paul is the only candidate having a military personell protest on feb 20, it means this email IS targetting Ron Paul supporters.

www.infowars.com...

shows how fascist USA is indeed.It threatens its own patriots and freedom fighters.

Originally posted by beezzer
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Bull-dookey.
I'm stationed in Germany.
I've received a warning not to visit Wurm or Dresden this week end (protests about the bombing in '45) but nothing about Paul.

Oo

Little late to be protesting about that, it happened over 60 years ago.

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Yeah see, thats the thing about modern nations and their military's supporting certain elected officials. This goes way back to the ancient Roman Empire. This is exactly how the Caesars took power from the Senate starting with Julius Caesar.

This is the very same reason you never have just one general over the entire military, because a charismatic general can greatly influence his men and a man who can influence other men to die for his cause is a dangerous man who can sieze power, as we have seen across the span of history. Ofcourse this also hails back from the day when Generals and Kings fought shoulder to shoulder with their men and bled with them on the front lines instead of sitting miles away in safety and so greater respect was afforded to them.

As for Ron Paul he is a likeable enough fellow. i'd vote for him if i thought it would do any good but the system is not going to let him win because this sh*t is rigged and has been rigged since before the Civil War

To serve in the military, you give up some of your rights while you are in.

THAT IS WHY WE CALL IT SERVICE, ya know, to your country...

This policy is common knowledge in the military. He should not have to remind them.

No politics while in uniform. No rallies while on active duty... You can send a check though.

And you posters that think the military wants to be at war, you are so wrong.

Originally posted by filosophia
So lets recap: soldiers are allowed to be openly gay but not allowed to exercise their first amendment right. Yep sounds about right for amerika.

Gosh I love my country, but really? Isn't this the truth? When will the madness end!!

Originally posted by kawika
To serve in the military, you give up some of your rights while you are in.

THAT IS WHY WE CALL IT SERVICE, ya know, to your country...

This policy is common knowledge in the military. He should not have to remind them.

No politics while in uniform. No rallies while on active duty... You can send a check though.

And you posters that think the military wants to be at war, you are so wrong.

edit on 18-2-2012 by kawika because: add text

please see this post:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

No one says the military wants war, THATS why they are supporting Ron Paul

Since when is being an American 'politics'. Ron Paul is nonpartisan so technically this does not apply to military.

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Nothing new. And it's not directed solely at Ron Paul supporters. This has ALWAYS been the case. It is not the military's place to endorse politicians....period.

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I clicked on the ATS link. It goes to this same thread??

No one says the military wants war, THATS why they are supporting Ron Paul

I guess I should have quoted the post that I was referring to, here tis... Looks like poster thinks the military wants war. What the military wants, is to serve with honor, and hopefully live to retire. We can do that without war.

Originally posted by stirling
The military as well as the GOP dont want to see the good doctor elected....there goes all those shiny medals and quick promos to the officers, as well as getting their tickets stamped as having led men in battle (an officer is a dog without this chain of commands....)one has o keep getting those glowing fitness reports etc....
So the higher ups want to see the war or any other war(it doesnt matter which one for their purposes)they just need one so that the officers can order some men in combat successfully.....
Some soldiers consider never having to fight a failure to their profession...id call this a successful carreer wouldnt you?
RonPaul wants a friendlier asmaller deadlier military...not a bad idea but it will shrink the number of generals required to lead it now wont it?

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The MEDIA and war hawks want war, the military wants to show support for Ron Paul, which to them IS serving their country with honor.

Originally posted by Gseven
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Nothing new. And it's not directed solely at Ron Paul supporters. This has ALWAYS been the case.

It is not the military's place to endorse politicians....period.

The email references a march on feb 20, there is only one march going on feb 20, and that is one for Ron Paul, so this email alludes to ron paul supporters specifically.

As for this always being the case, please respond to this post
www.abovetopsecret.com...

why could the army times publish a survey of bush support with clear partisan political support?


www.nytimes.com...

"The important thing in this is there was no intent to mislead people about the size of the audience," said Mark McKinnon, Mr. Bush's chief media adviser. "They were real soldiers, they were really there, there was no editorial intent here."

They were REAL soldiers.

Originally posted by Gseven
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Nothing new. And it's not directed solely at Ron Paul supporters. This has ALWAYS been the case.

It is not the military's place to endorse politicians....period.

No, its their place to die at the directions of scheming politicians.

Originally posted by Cosmic911

Originally posted by Gseven
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Nothing new. And it's not directed solely at Ron Paul supporters. This has ALWAYS been the case.

It is not the military's place to endorse politicians....period.

No, its their place to die at the directions of scheming politicians.

Right, if you are a politician your 'service' gets you freedom from health care laws, insider teading laws, free airfare bypassing the TSA, but when you are digging ditches in Afghanistan or patrolling america your 'service' means your a pawn of the war industry. Sounds real fair, maybe politicians shouldnt show bipartisan support and instead be AMERICAN as opposed to republican or democrat.

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You nailed it! Partisan politics is DESTROYING the United States....more now than ever.

You guys do realize that we are currently living in a dictatorship.....right now.

It is a moderate dictatorship that only flexes upon its citizens when absolutely needed. If Ron was to win by all of us publicly counting our votes and taking tally of it by our own organizations, they simply would kill him.

do you think we could win by voting?

If he was elected president, how long do you think he would last? I don't think he would even be given the chance to swear his oath of office.

do you think you live in a democracy???

you expect fair elections????

wake up, that is not the America we inherited. Our children will inherit the future dictatorship to end all dictatorships. The fourth Reich.

There is little that can be done to change this. Start now to develop the mentality that will at least let you and your kids survive the ordeal intact. It will be hell on earth. Keep a little bit of heaven in your hearts. In a mad world the smallest bit of sanity a single man has is enough to see him through to the end.

In the end the greed and misbalance of the people doing this will destroy them. Trust me, it always happens like that. To what degree our world is lost and to what point we are still present on earth is up to them as much as us.

Survive, live, love......tomorrow is ours.

Ron Paul probably should live a little longer, so don't go making him president as that is just like a death sentence. Our government will kill him. and anyone else for that matter they don't like and deem a threat to them. That could even be military personnel, rich people, anyone, no one is safe. What do you think, that somehow that makes you special in their eyes???? LOL

No, they look to blood and ancestry. If some dumbass in your peoples history defied them, they WILL take it out on you.....there is no difference. Try and understand that world. It is a world within a world.
Sadly most will never understand how they think.
an election is like Christmas morning. We all get excited because we think we know what is going on and that it is wonderful. Really the night before, the owners / leaders pull some dumbass out of the closet, cleaned the dust off and wrapped him up all pretty. We "choose" but really get the same thing.

Complaining when we don't like it is like telling your parents they must have forgotten to send the card to Santa. They smile and if you persist, they get angry and take your presents away for being spoiled.

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The belief that a true democracy exists in the U.S. is a DELUSION. You are absolutely correct. I first learned this lesson when I enlisted in the military. And as an adult, it is so painfully clear.

Active duty members are not allowed to participate in political events while in uniform. They can when off duty and in civilian clothes, BUT they can not affiliate themselves publicly with their respective branch of service. An active duty member CANNOT publicly voice negative opinions about the current President/Commander in Chief at any time. I got out of the Navy after 13 years in Jan 2009, 2 weeks before Obama was sworn in because I refused to serve under him.

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by v1rtu0s0
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There is a link to a facebook group in the email that has almost 20 thousand invited personel. The email specifically points this out. Unless you think it's fabricated of course. Maybe it didn't get sent to you?

I get all alerts on my AKO and my AMEDD account.

Not a whisper about this.

Again, bull shmootems.

Unless I'm out of the loop!

It is real. There was nothing about Paul specifically. "Just a friendly reminder" of DoD policy that active duty personnel are not allowed to partake in public political expressions. Came through announcements in the NG RCAS system anyway. I thought those types of announcements went to AKO accounts, too.
BTW, this is not a new policy. I believe it's been around for quite a while. Think this typically comes out a few times during election years. Probably just getting more notice this time around bc everything is so crazy and people are more emotional. In past years, its the type of email most would just delete right away.

Doesn't apply to federal and state civilian military employees or to Reservists/Guardsmen who are not in active duty status.

I'm a Ron Paul supporter and a vet but even if this email had the upcoming RP march in mind it really just serves as a reminder to military members that they cannot march in uniform, or if active duty cannot march at all. These rules aren't new, they have already been in place and from my perspective the military is just reminding its members of what their rules are to prevent them from getting in trouble. This is how the military works, and trust me, a lot of military folk need reminding. As one of my favorite Chiefs used to say, "Repetition makes lasting impressions on dull minds"

So I don't see this as any attack on RP or his supporters but just the military reminding their people of their rules. Once you're in the military you HAVE to abide by their rules. I do find it odd that the email also includes retirees because I'm thinking retirees aren't subject to the UCMJ anymore, so they can do whatever they want.