To the religious that think homosexuality is a sin...

Originally posted by abeverage
reply to post by Hellhound604

 

That sounds nefarious too...as in here is the cause now we need a "Cure"!

that was not my meaning.... I just meant that you are what you are... it is no personal choice, just as much as you are being born male or female, your sexual preferences are the same, you don't have any choice in it. You just are what you are, no amount of prayers or whatever can change that.

Originally posted by abeverage
reply to post by Hellhound604

 

That sounds nefarious too...as in here is the cause now we need a "Cure"!

Good point - it kind of does, doesnt it?

I didnt know what the word "congenital" meant and then I punched it into google:
"A congenital disorder, or congenital disease, is a condition existing at birth and often before birth, or that develops during the first month of life (neonatal disease), regardless of causation. Of these diseases, those characterized by structural deformities are termed "congenital anomalies"; that is a different concept (MeSH) which involves defects in or damage to a developing fetus."

Hmm. I am suspicious.

reply to post by Hellhound604

Just an off the cuff opinion, but when a heterosexual man is "chatting up" (although I'm not clear what that means precisely. Flirting?) a woman, he has the fantasy or expectation of sexual activity as a response. But when there's another man involved in the flirting that fantasy or expectation disappears completely. Right from the start he's not interested (and may be a little grossed out) Further, by being flirted with, the straight man is being told "I see you as a homosexual sex partner." Which, of course, he's not. Not for that man, nor for any man. And he wonders "What is wrong with me that somebody thinks I'm in the 3% (or so) of gays?"

I suppose I could expand on it, but you get my idea. (I hope.)

reply to post by theBigToe



LOL, OK, I guess the google article you hit upon made it sound as though congenital was a disease, which was not what I meant..... In truest biological sense it just means, it wasn't genetics, but something that happened when you were in vitro, that influenced your development, if I can simplify things. Some diseases are genetically inhereted too, and others are congenital.

the same with sexuality. Some are genetic (XY-chromosomes) and others are congential. It doesn't make it a disease, does it? I guess in a female-only society, if you are born a male, I guess they could view it as a disease, lol...

this is my definition of congenital

1. Of or relating to a condition that is present at birth, as a result of environmental influences:

Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by Hellhound604

 

Just an off the cuff opinion, but when a heterosexual man is "chatting up" (although I'm not clear what that means precisely. Flirting?) a woman, he has the fantasy or expectation of sexual activity as a response. But when there's another man involved in the flirting that fantasy or expectation disappears completely. Right from the start he's not interested (and may be a little grossed out) Further, by being flirted with, the straight man is being told "I see you as a homosexual sex partner." Which, of course, he's not. Not for that man, nor for any man. And he wonders "What is wrong with me that somebody thinks I'm in the 3% (or so) of gays?"

I suppose I could expand on it, but you get my idea. (I hope.)

OK, you might chat up a girl, and would be very offended if she takes offense at you chatting her up, wouldn't you? You would appreciate it if she looks at you and say "Thanks but no thanks". Now think the other way, a homosexual person might do the same to you, so why would you feel offended???? Isn't it exactly the same? Instead of being offended, why don't you do what girls do when you push your unwanted attention upon then, and look nice, slightly embarrassed by the same offer, and say "Thanks, but no thanks"?
you as a heterosexual man should feel it as a compliment if a homosexual man hits on you, the same as a girl feels when a man hits on her/

(Sorry, I am not a poet, so I cannot say exactly what I think, but I hope you get my meaning)

I wonder,

Are Homosexuals discomfited by the Christian rejection of homosexuality because when one forms and bases one's identity upon sexuality, the rejection of specific sexual acts makes Homosexuals feel like they are being rejected as people?

reply to post by HeFrippedMeOff


I rather feel that Christians should feel rejected, because they cannot rejoice in another of God's gifts to mankind....

I mean, if God made us what we are, that means that God must've made homosexuality too, not true?

Originally posted by Hellhound604
reply to post by HeFrippedMeOff

 

I rather feel that Christians should feel rejected, because they cannot rejoice in another of God's gifts to mankind....

I mean, if God made us what we are, that means that God must've made homosexuality too, not true?

If you feel that way then why do you harbor the resentment?

Too, according to which god one is serving the answer may be different. To not believe at all or to believe in a god one has made to serve oneself is rather backwards considering we are dependent upon God and not He upon us if He in fact exists. And if our Father has told us to stay away from sexual sin not excluding homosexuality, not excluding sex before marriage for heterosexuals, then why would we not all exercise self-control through His Holy Spirit becoming more than mere animal driven by the nature of our selfish desires?

reply to post by Hellhound604

Dear Hellhound604,

My apologies, I didn't do too good a job of explaining myself. Let me try to answer you more clearly and in more detail.

OK, you might chat up a girl, and would be very offended if she takes offense at you chatting her up, wouldn't you?

If I was looking for something sexual (which, after all, is what this is all about) I would hope she said it quietly enough so I wouldn't be publicly embarassed, but even if she did, "there are other fish in the sea." I'd just go on to the next one I fancied and try again. I might mutter something bad about the one who rejected me.

You would appreciate it if she looks at you and say "Thanks but no thanks".

I wouldn't feel any better about the rejection, and I might (possibly) think that she wasn't taking me seriously or was being condescending.

Now think the other way, a homosexual person might do the same to you, so why would you feel offended????

I would feel offended because his approach says to me "You look like one of the 3% that would like to have sex with a man. How about me?" If people see their sexuality as an important part of who they are, he would be saying, in effect, you're not a real man, come and play with the boys." It's not a compliment, it's an insult. (and kind of nausea producing at the same time.)

Isn't it exactly the same?

NO. I would rather be turned down a dozen times by women than be approached by a man. (See last comment)

Instead of being offended, why don't you do what girls do when you push your unwanted attention upon then, and look nice, slightly embarrassed by the same offer, and say "Thanks, but no thanks"?

What I feel is offended, what I do, is look nice, slightly embarrased, etc.

you as a heterosexual man should feel it as a compliment if a homosexual man hits on you, the same as a girl feels when a man hits on her/

I should? But I most certainly don't. Then maybe my feelings are wrong and I should get therapy to get my feelings towards potential sex partners adjusted. Or, the homosexual man could do that. Which would you recommend?

With respect,
Charles1952

Although valuable, I think a lot of the threads on gay issues tend to end up on sexual matters.

However, when I think about when I was harassed simply for being gay, it was never for propositioning anyone sexually - it was mainly for the way I moved my hands and spoke.

I think this needs to be more explored.

Originally posted by greenovni

Originally posted by theRhenn

Originally posted by greenovni
So Gay people are a race and people who do not agree with them are racists? WTF!

I guess people like this guy are just as closed minded and biggoted as the people he blames...

Sadly, this is how the masses of people think...

And here we go......

#1. I believe that all people should be able to do whatever they want with their lives! & Yes, that includes being gay! I am a straight man and other peoples, Gayness, Racism, Bigotry, Straightness, Blackness, Whiteness, Pinkness or Purpleness do NOT AFFECT ME IN THE LEAST,

You see, I am a FREE man which also believes that you are a FREE man/woman/tranny/gay person and able to do whatever the hell you want with your life!

#2 Closed minded and BIGOTED? Refer to # 1

#3 If you actually listened to the song on the 1st video posted by the OP, there is a line that says:

"You are a RACIST..... So F8CK YOU!!!! la la la"

Which is the ONLY thing I responded to in this thread, according to the people singing, they are a RACE (Gay Race?) and people against them are RACISTS!

If you need anymore clarification, just let me know!

edit on 17-2-2012 by greenovni because: (no reason given)

The responce was directed to who you responded to. I agreed with you.

But.. I will adress more since ...

I see people screaming facts this and facts that. Yet... I see no "overwhelming" anything. Do people just make this up in their heads... John doe hears that there is overwhelming proof... So he passes it along to jane doe, which she screams... Overwhelming proof... When in truth.. THERE IS NONE.

I read an article just weeks ago that claimed that homosexuality was NOT something you're born into. I hear people say and see articles with just as much proof... In truth.. Neither side has crap.

Yet... You have biggots that bring this BS thread up time and again.. "HAH! You Christians!!!" But do I ever see a post about about how being gay is a choice? Hell no!

That's what pisses me off about you narrow minded lil twits. You assume but you yourselfs dont even try to bother digging up facts. You're only responces are... "See what I mean.. There "THEY" come..."

What one sided snooty lil self rightouse Aholes.. I dont condem, beat, kick, rape, pillage anyone... Yet, I have feelings against allowing this BS to engulf us, the people who HAVE to eat your crap because of free speach. Often I keep my mouth shut untill I see little self rightouse ninnys trying to pull one over on the Christians again..

Are there christians in this forum activly beating the hell out of you? NO! When they say their peace trying to defend themselves, (and yes, I am the neutral one here) you shovel BS back at them when you incited the anger in the first place.

Dont you think that if your childs was an arsonist, and someone constantly bickered about starting fires to call you out, make you look stupid, or attack your character, wouldnt you get pissed? Would you keep your mouth shut? How long?

You see... This is the adolesence on this site.. Anyone that puts this kinda garbage up on here falls into that same mess of a catagory.

So people think it's wrong... Big Fin deal!

When I come at you with a knife, THEN you can tell me something. Untill I'm kicking your ass, there isnt a damn thing you can say or do to change anything.

I have a brother with red hair. As a child, he was picked on all his life. Now, they're suddenly called "souless gingers". It's my brother.. How do you think I feel? It's not even me, but I feel horrible that this very thing, by such people JUST LIKE YOU (and they call the Christians the bad ones for this) love to stand out and take advantage of his normal life in ways that makes it unnormal. He laughs and shrugs it off. But I know that it boils inside. It's just as wrong as what you're doing. It's just as wrong as what people do against other people. Wether they believe in it or not doesnt make a damn bit of diffrence. If you feel it's wrong or right, big Fing deal.. STHU about it and I will too. See how easy that is?

Drag it out in the open, expect the worse. Furthermore, expect someone kicking your ass for it when they finaly have enough. You can only push someone so far. It goes all ways.

But dont just pretend you made a thread for only you. Ignore the responces if you will but the fact still stands..

NO PROOF EITHER WAY. Deny it? Found overwhelming proof? PUT IT HERE! I Challenge you!

Till then... Get off it.

reply to post by charles1952

Dear charles1952, maybe it was me not being so clear, but I don't know. Maybe I have a lot of femininity in me, I wouldn't know. All I know, from my own experience, is that I never considered a homosexual man to be a threat to my manhood. The times homosexual men tried hitting on me, I guess I took it the same as a girl having an unwanted man hitting on her, with nice, but polite "No thank you".
I know the way "normal" men reacts to approaches from homosexual men, which is something I could never understand. I have many homosexual men and women as friends, and could never understand the animosity so many people feels toward them. For me it has always been that we are different, but that is that. In the same way as I have some friends that are mad about sport, and I couldn't give a damn about sport.

Originally posted by greenovni
We're on the same page

I just wished that people, and I really mean ALL people would mind their own damn business and let others live in peace...

Really? Putting it out there for all to see.. Who's buzy is it then?

Prey-tell.. Oh Please!

Originally posted by Hellhound604

Originally posted by greenovni
We're on the same page

I just wished that people, and I really mean ALL people would mind their own damn business and let others live in peace...

I have always wondered about one thing.... So many heterosexual men love chatting up women, and they accept it if a girl tells them off, yet those very same men are so offended when a homosexual man chats them up... Isn't it exactly the SAME thing?
Before you reply with a "Yes but...", I am not homosexual, and homosexual men have hit on me a couple of times, (the same as what any normal girl gets hit on by a heterosexual man), that is my take on it. Instead of feeling offended, why not feel complimented by it????

Because it's sick. The meer thought of it makes me want to blow chunks... instead

I have heard many homo's say the same thing about thinking about a woman. So what?

Originally posted by Hellhound604
reply to post by HeFrippedMeOff

 

I rather feel that Christians should feel rejected, because they cannot rejoice in another of God's gifts to mankind....

I mean, if God made us what we are, that means that God must've made homosexuality too, not true?

Really? So why does his bible say otherwise?


you people even have a clue? You dont change religion to suit you. If you do, you're making it totaly worthless.

Fakery...

Originally posted by halfoldman
Although valuable, I think a lot of the threads on gay issues tend to end up on sexual matters.

However, when I think about when I was harassed simply for being gay, it was never for propositioning anyone sexually - it was mainly for the way I moved my hands and spoke.

I think this needs to be more explored.

LOL, that is true. Those experiences I of mine I spoke about, was sexual advances. Your mannerism, and the way you move your hands doesn't matter to me, I just hold my hands and speak in another way, that is all. I love reading body language, and the way you move your hands just tell me who you are. That is that. I have many weird habits, so who am I to judge you for your habits? We all have our personal habits, my habits are just as weird to you as yours are to me. Who am I to judge other people? (Heck, I run around in the forest chasing after insects, I ask people for their body fluids to examine under my microscopes, I ask people to give stuff that goes off in the fridge to me, so that I can analyze it) What is normal for me is weird for you, and vice versa.

(P.S. I used 'weird', but please don't take that too seriously. It is only that I don't know the correct terminology)

reply to post by Hellhound604

Dear Hellhound604,

There is so much agreement between us. I don't hate people, certainly not homosexuals, yes I know some on a first name basis and our conversations can get quite deep. Most often we talk about philosophy, politics, and spirituality. i find them to be quite friendly. Maybe, because of the society we're in, they're a little oversensitive, but when they know I'm just a guy with no intention of ridiculing or insulting them, we can get down to being real people.

I think the key for me is that sexuality shouldn't be the first thing that a gay man should bring up in whatever fashion. Once we can connect on a person-to-person level, it's easier to talk about deep personal issues. Sex goes right to the core of many people and it should only be discussed among good friends, not casual acquaintances.

The extreme case of "We're queer, we're here, get over it." is so intrusive that it is almost a declaration of war.

By the way, thank you for spending the time to reply to me and to make sure that you're understood. That is incredibly valuable. I admire your patience and willingness to trust. It must hurt sometimes.

With respect,
Charles1952

reply to post by charles1952


I fully agree with you
I view the couple of sexual advances I've had from gay men, the same way as I think a woman would think of advances from a man. 99% of the time, a man wouldn't directly try to approach a woman sexually the first time they talk (but I know some of the 1% that does it), the same for gay men, 99% would not, and 1% would...

and the 1% do approach you sexually, iis no different than the 1% of heterosexual men approaching a girl sexually.

(Please don't go into statistics, lol ...... I just used the 99% as a vast majority, and the 1% as a very small minority)