Allegations Of Rampant Voter Fraud In Maine! This Is Real! Share This Please!

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

I am sure you are very concerned about me and my potential disappointment. Embrace your agenda man, don't try to be so subversive it's very transparent to everyone. It's not like it's only people on this site that thought something was afoot. The state isn't doing a recount because ten people on this website hoped they would.

Could you please enlighten me on what my agenda is???

All I am doing is commenting on facts and reality...instead of fantasy.

If you are saying my agenda is being realistic....guilty.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

I am sure you are very concerned about me and my potential disappointment. Embrace your agenda man, don't try to be so subversive it's very transparent to everyone. It's not like it's only people on this site that thought something was afoot. The state isn't doing a recount because ten people on this website hoped they would.

Could you please enlighten me on what my agenda is???

All I am doing is commenting on facts and reality...instead of fantasy.

If you are saying my agenda is being realistic....guilty.

You have every right to correct me here, BUT, "All I am doing is commenting on facts and reality instead of fantasy" Wow, who the hell are you? Are you some kind of a magic person? You absolutely know EVERYTHING in this world?:| And everyone elses opinions and meanings are just, fantasy?

Pff, bull#. Nor have I ever seen you provide evidence for your sayings :/

So now they have done exactly what I predicted they would do (predicted in another thread here on the Maine recount). They have recounted and declared Romney the winner again. Both recounts are premature and still missing Counties. Why are they making a further embarrassment out of themselves? They are doing it because they are responding to Washington County declaring they will give their results to the press even if they aren't counted by the GOP. They are making themselves look shadier and shadier. They are hoping to make it look like Ron Paul had a real struggle for a win that remained out of his reach to make it look that much more futile when in reality they are just doing the same thing they did in the first place. It really makes Webster look like a joke and if he didn't seal his fate before he may have now. This time it will be a resignation over a censure. A nice touch is the fact that he said even if they whined and moaned he wouldn't release the new results until March, but he is lacking in integrity so much that he jumped on the chance to re announce Romney as the winner.

I thought they agreed to add Washington to the total? What is going on here? This is just a circus.

BTW here is the post where I "predicted" Webster and the GOP's intention and obvious plot before they even announced these "new results" : this post This guy is just a slime ball. What can you expect from the GOP though?

reply to post by spire


What would you like evidence for?

And what have I stated in this thread that isn't backed up by facts?

this is very well made. I like how they use the imagery that people are used to being "news" and actually report news. Its surreal.

reply to post by casenately


What are you talking about? It is from a news station. It's from a local Fox affiliate.

www.fox19.com...

Well you guys got your vote count...and have sealed the deal for Romney.

With the larger vote gap...Washington county is even more irrelevant than it was before.

So you got the recount...satisfied...or still crying fraud?

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


See.. there is your agenda for you. You conveniently skip over information even you yourself acknowledged until it was convenient to forget it when the Maine GOP prematurely releases results again. I already responded on the new premature release. Even though the guy said "we wont release the final results until march even if (pauls people) whine and moan" yet when he sees that it appears to give Romney a higher count he prematurely releases AGAIN making further fools of the GOP in Maine instead of waiting one day for the other votes he has promised to include. This is laughable. I also already predicted it would happen yesterday. They want this story to go away they would have Romney win a hundred times if they could to downplay a possible future win by Paul. Fact is.. this is barely any different than the first count because there is no new information they are still missing like 16 percent of the states votes. This actually makes this guy in charge look waaay worse and probably gets them in deeper.

This tactic is to try to scare the Paul people away from wanting to continue scrutinizing. They only decided on a recount after Washington said they were giving their results to the media. So it just looks like he wanted to widen the margin before Washington gave their results to the media. It appears they just wanted to make it less likely those votes would change the outcome when they came out. You can't have the same corrupt official in charge of the recount when he has a reason to further the manipulation. This whole thing is probably the craziest thing I have ever seen.

Basically you have Maine GOP manipulating the vote to have Romney win, but not by such a margin as to arouse suspicion.

They say no other vote will count.

Then you have a county that didn't get to vote say we are voting and we are giving our votes to the media.

Then you have that corrupt GOP say they want to do a recount (that everyone in the US knows will put Paul closer to victory). The GOP calls for the recount, while everyone else just calls to include votes from the rest of the state.

Then that same corrupt GOP say a suspect margin of victory suspiciously widens a little bit a day before a game changing vote that they were going to keep silent is made and then against the GOPS will is announced to the media.

We are not that stupid. Maine GOP will never ever live this corruption down, and it is only going to get worse for them.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

I am sure you are very concerned about me and my potential disappointment. Embrace your agenda man, don't try to be so subversive it's very transparent to everyone. It's not like it's only people on this site that thought something was afoot. The state isn't doing a recount because ten people on this website hoped they would.

Could you please enlighten me on what my agenda is???

All I am doing is commenting on facts and reality...instead of fantasy.

If you are saying my agenda is being realistic....guilty.

You need to contact the GOP immediately and tell them to stop the recount tomorrow. There is no need for the recount you have the facts and there is only a 6 vote difference.

In reality the fact are as follow, but apparently you are choosing to ignore them.
1. Numerous errors have been reported.
2. The official tallies are incorrect.
3. There is no official report as to what extent the errors have been made.
4. Your calculations are based on invalid data , hence they are being recalculated.
5. If you calculations are based on invalid data your solution will be invalid.
6. Mitt Romney has already had one caucus win revoked.
7. Mitt Romney was awarded first place before the votes were fully counted.

So I don't see what your point is? Are you saying that you are able to properly count the vote using bad data? Or

What people are trying to tell you is that your calculations are bogus because you are using bogus data and as you yourself have said you only can use the data you got. Unfortunately, the data you got is bogus.

However, we will see tomorrow if Ron Paul only gains 6 votes.

reply to post by Lightbringer38


OK everyone This is my first post. However, I've been following ATS.com for years. That being said, this entire voter fraud situation is very disturbing. I have seen videos just about everywhere, speaking of this so called fraud. What i'm wondering is, what are we doing about it. I have yet to see any petitions of any kind. I post this reply for those of you more experienced in the ways of protest. We all know the election is rigged, now what can we do about it!

reply to post by cypher1987


I posted this earlier.

Here is a link to the Maine elections division where you can send an e-mail with your complaint. Many other states have something similar like in Florida there is a hotline for complaints of voter fraud. I know this is not much but it is a starting point. Everyone on here that is concerned should write a e-mail to have your voice heard otherwise it's just a bunch of us moaning and complaining on ATS which really does not do anything.

www.state.me.us...

Elections Commisionwww.state.me.us...

reply to post by interupt42


Don't forget to add that they are allowing the same crooked GOP members to do the recount and they are still releasing data prematurely in an attempt to discourage Paul's support. The whole thing is a mess and they really should have already gotten a third party involved.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by UKTruth
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

There are still a number of anomalies beyond Waldo within the detail county and precinct vote counts.

I want you to reference this document as I respond to the following points. This is the official Maine GOP tally sheet. I created my own spreadsheet based of this to look into some of your points below.

www.mainegop.com...

1) The individual precinct votes dont add up to the totals shown for Maine

All the counts add up perfectly for the individual candidates. However, if you take the "Total" column in each precinct and add them up...the total doesn't match the reported total. It is off by 92.

However, 77 of these is due to Bangor reporting "0" in their total column (go ahead and find it in the PDF I linked). So if you add those in...you have a difference of 15. They did the right thing and reported the total based off the cumulative candidate totals instead of the cumulative precinct totals. If you take out Bangor who reported a "total" of 0 but had 77 votes cast...Here are the remaining discrepencies...feel free to look them up. If you add up the "differences" below...you have your remaining 15. None of these scream "fraud"...rather they scream "human error".

15 votes out of 5585 votes is an error rate of 0.26%....I'd call that human error and not fraud.

County/Municipality/Reported/Actual/Difference
Cumberland/South Portland/81/85/4
Knox/Camden /28 /32 /4
Cumberland/Gorham /56 /59 /3
Penobscot/Alton /0 /3 /3
York/Kennebunk /45 /47 /2
Knox/Friendship /7 /8 /1
Penobscot/Newport / 21 /22 /1
Somerset/Cambridge / 8 /9 /1
Kennebec/Augusta /40 /38 /-2
Penobscot/Dixmont /4 /3 /-1
York/Eliot /44 /43 /-1

2) Only 3 of the counties show all precinct votes - the rest have at least some precinct votes at zero

Some precincts can combine and report together...just like Aroostook combined them all and reported together.

There is nothing wrong with this. Unless you have proof (like in Waldo county) that there are precincts that caucused and weren't reported....then this isn't anything suspicious.

3) Of the 623 precincts, 157 show zero votes - Washington is yet to vote - except for 1 precinct. 20 of the 26 precincts in Waldo show zero votes (with only 3 of those 20 known not to have caucused). 11 other counties show precincts with zero votes. Maybe some of the other precincts are legitimately at zero, many are not.

Like I said...some precincts can combine with others...their total will be in the other precincts totals.

4) Aroostook only shows a total vote, with no precinct detail

There is nothing wrong with this. Looking at 2008, the vote totals are similar. 140 in 2008, 137 this year.

uselectionatlas.org...

And...Ron Paul won this county...and by a larger margin than he did in 2008...and he got nearly double the votes he got in 2008. Romney got less...almost by half. If anyone should be suspicious of this counties results...it should be Romney.

5) Your ajdusted totals, from which you derived your 6 vote swing in Waldo, includes 5 precincts with zero votes.

Yes...and these are the totals from the county and are vouched as being correct. If you are saying these aren't correct either...than we shouldn't count any of them and Paul shouldn't gain those 6 votes.


Again...I'm not seeing anything that screams out a huge amount of fraud. I am seeing evidence of human error..but that's about it.

edit on 17-2-2012 by OutKast Searcher because: (no reason given)

Fair enough response.

I agree it could be human error - though at this point we cannot rule out fraud given that there is testimony of further error showing Romney winning a precinct that he lost. That's a pretty big error, and if it can be made in one precinct then it can be made in others.

I think it is pretty reasonable for Maine to be called into question given the stories that have been released since the vote.

I guess we will know more tonight.

Lets throw out all the votes for republicans

reply to post by UKTruth

though at this point we cannot rule out fraud given that there is testimony of further error showing Romney winning a precinct that he lost.

Can you direct me to a source for this story?

I would be interested in looking into that some more.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by UKTruth

 

though at this point we cannot rule out fraud given that there is testimony of further error showing Romney winning a precinct that he lost.

Can you direct me to a source for this story?

I would be interested in looking into that some more.

Came from the precinct lead at Belfast. Paul won with 8 votes to 5 for Romney. On the call to the GOP HQ he was told Romney 9 Paul 2.

Thats some error - a 10 vote swing in just one small precinct.

The gentleman from Belfast also said that he only got the attention of the lady he was querying the counts with when he told her he had announced the count publically at the caucus. Now Belfast ended up as one of those precincts with zero votes recorded, but how can we be sure that some counts published were not also errors that remained in the official counts because noone queried them vociferously enough?

If this kind of error happened here, how many other errors could there be?

reply to post by UKTruth


That error has been corrected though.

Again...10 votes that they admit is a mistake and correct it is something I would consider to be human error not fraud

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


Except before it was "corrected" it was denied, then voided out, it was only going to be corrected when people cried fraud. Of course it isn't human error. That is ridiculous. When there is human error with no intent then people generally do what they can to fix the problem and please the people NOT void out a vote that would take a second to fix and complain when people push. It isn't human error because the woman denied changing it until she actually knew she was caught implying something was up and if it happened in those places how can we be sure it didn't happen in places where a voter didn't stand up and correct them.. because that is what it took they weren't looking to fix the problem, a voter had to notice it.

Ron Paul Robbed by SPAM


Spam, really? Also... why did the chairman say why count the other votes? is he trying to commit political suicide?

reply to post by Lightbringer38

When you see shenanigans at this level you know #1 that he's the right candidate to change the status quo and #2 that TPTB are worried