Why do you love the USA?

reply to post by Gorman91


Bollocks. I can do just the same here in Australia. I can walk outside and do whatever I please (within the law, of course). If I raise my voice loud enough here, 'mobs' will follow me also. Please do not delude yourself into thinking America is the only 'free' country on Earth. Can you walk into a hospital and not fear being hit with a large bill you cannot pay? I don't have to worry about that here....we get free healthcare.

And the gun issue? LMFAO. What the hell are the peashooters you guys are allowed to legally own going to do against RPG's, Gatlings, Tanks, Bombs, Planes etc etc? You might put a dint in them, but they will own your ass quicker than you can blink. Again, another example of complete delusion and surrender to propaganda.

Originally posted by Kryties
Yep, conveying that warm, loving feeling that Americans claim that they are.....

It is given when it is deserved. You so far, have come across as nothing but smug and condescending.

You must have missed....pretty much all of my posts in your zeal to denigrate my opinion. You clearly missed the parts explaining, in great detail, why I dislike America.

Nope, didn't miss it.

Wrong. I am assuming you have sight difficulties? Look under my avatar, where it says 'Location'. Yes, it's upside down but I figured, when i typed it, that it wouldn't take much for people to turns their heads to read it.

I edited my post right after I submitted, although no, I didn't bother to try to read the gibberish under your location.

Keep up that swearing mate, you'll be banned in no time.

Naw, that's why they're blocked out

Like I said, the moment Americans as a whole stand up and say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, get rid of the government and get down to revitalising their own country instead of destroying others, is the moment I will change my viewpoint on America and it's people. While ever you guys are out in the world, destroying and conquering and not focusing on your own issues, then you will continue to see growing dislike, even hatred, of America, it's people and your policies.

It's already starting to happen, and I imagine protests will get worse closer to summer time, and especially worse when one of the other clowns is elected into office.

You guys have the vote. You guys have the power to put a right and just leadership in charge....yet you do not. You continue to screw the world over royally and whinge when we complain.

We actually DON'T have the vote but not everyone is aware of this.

Like I have been trying to say, you're whining about how the world is affected, why is no one doing anything about it? You're just as bad as the American people you're attempting to condemn. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Like you said, this isn't just a "country" issue, it's a "world" issue, which means it's just as much your country's job as anyone else. But yet your country is on the side of Israel as well, and YOUR problems over there will just get worse as war gets closer.

Then what?
Will you guys be murdering your government? I'd be willing to bet no one there will do a damn thing.

Originally posted by reaxi0n
It is given when it is deserved. You so far, have come across as nothing but smug and condescending.

So have you.

Nope, didn't miss it.

Yeah, you really did.

I edited my post right after I submitted, although no, I didn't bother to try to read the gibberish under your location.

Another prime example of how Americans view the world.

We actually DON'T have the vote but not everyone is aware of this.

Like I have been trying to say, you're whining about how the world is affected, why is no one doing anything about it? You're just as bad as the American people you're attempting to condemn. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Like you said, this isn't just a "country" issue, it's a "world" issue, which means it's just as much your country's job as anyone else. But yet your country is on the side of Israel as well, and YOUR problems over there will just get worse as war gets closer.

Then what?
Will you guys be murdering your government? I'd be willing to bet no one there will do a damn thing.

So, your saying that America's problems are for the world to solve? HUH? That makes NO sense whatsoever.

So, if your voting is rigged then why are you so wholeheartedly defending America and it's current policies?

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by TheCommentator

 

I can do what I want. and if I'm loud enough, a mob will support me if I am arrested.

This is unheard of elsewhere in the world.


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Haha what?

As our Australian friend has just pointed out, he's free to do that in Australia. I could personally do this myself in the UK. Or Europe for that matter.

Is this what they taught you at school?

Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by Gorman91

 

Bollocks. I can do just the same here in Australia. I can walk outside and do whatever I please (within the law, of course). If I raise my voice loud enough here, 'mobs' will follow me also. Please do not delude yourself into thinking America is the only 'free' country on Earth. Can you walk into a hospital and not fear being hit with a large bill you cannot pay? I don't have to worry about that here....we get free healthcare.

And the gun issue? LMFAO. What the hell are the peashooters you guys are allowed to legally own going to do against RPG's, Gatlings, Tanks, Bombs, Planes etc etc? You might put a dint in them, but they will own your ass quicker than you can blink. Again, another example of complete delusion and surrender to propaganda.

I sort of agree with this, The Brady Bill limiting Automatic weapons really put a slug in the whole defense of the homeland thing, they help as is though you need Small arms in any fight, from acquiring food to close up situations, they are indispensable

It is after all a far better place to start a resistance from, having guns and small arms vs oh I dunno Pitch forks and chainsaws, America is pretty stoked out in regards to having the toys laying around to fight an invasion, more small planes than anyone, helicopters, electronic equipment, heck i'll just straight say it... there's a ton of crap laying around you can make rockets and cannons and all sorts of stuff real easy

Aren't the Iranians going to fight off the US Navy with speed boats and explosives huh? The Jersey Shore and Miami could best that Navy's size by a factor of 10 with that approach

Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by Gorman91

 

Can you walk into a hospital and not fear being hit with a large bill you cannot pay? I don't have to worry about that here....we get free healthcare.

Same here in sunny UK . But according to some, this is a 'socialist nightmare'.

Originally posted by Kryties

So have you.

Not at all, I never once defended the President or the government, and that's what you started attacking me about.

Yeah, you really did.

Err...nope

Another prime example of how Americans view the world.

What? Because it looked like gibberish and not upside down and backwards letters?

So, your saying that America's problems are for the world to solve? HUH? That makes NO sense whatsoever.

Are you not affected by American policies? It does make sense. Our problems in turn, become world problems. You just know I have a point, and in your stubbornness to defend your position, are trying to justify my points as senseless. You don't want to admit that we're all in the same boat called Earth.

So, if your voting is rigged then why are you so wholeheartedly defending America and it's current policies?

Show me where I have defended the government policies.
If anything I've stated numerous times I don't agree with the president, the alphabet agencies, Congress, or the increasingly corrupt police force.

Originally posted by reaxi0n

Show me where I have defended the government policies.
If anything I've stated numerous times I don't agree with the president, the alphabet agencies, Congress, or the increasingly corrupt police force.

And yet you, and many other Americans, still so vehemently claim that America is the greatest country on Earth. See the contradiction there? You guys are so blinded by propaganda and lies that you truly have no real idea of what the world is like outside your own borders.

Are you not affected by American policies? It does make sense. Our problems in turn, become world problems. You just know I have a point, and in your stubbornness to defend your position, are trying to justify my points as senseless. You don't want to admit that we're all in the same boat called Earth.

Yes, we are. Very much so. TOO much so. Yet the second we open our mouths to complain about foreigners screwing with our lives we get hit with "America Hater". Can you see where our frustration comes from? America is screwing the entire world yet we aren't allowed to complain?

Originally posted by Kryties
And yet you, and many other Americans, still so vehemently claim that America is the greatest country on Earth. See the contradiction there? You guys are so blinded by propaganda and lies that you truly have no real idea of what the world is like outside your own borders.

edit on 15/2/2012 by Kryties because: (no reason given)

Dude, it's patriotism. It's no different than "my football team is better than yours."

Just because we think we have the best country does NOT mean we agree with the government or the policies they're starting to create and enforce! This is where you're getting it mixed up. Country and government is NOT synonymous. The "best country in the world" comes from our past times. Our sports, our movies, our music, our foods, our cultures, the fact that you can go to one region of the US and experience a completely different lifestyle than another region. That each state has its own unique rich history behind it and its own unique scenery. Again, it's something hard to explain to someone who hasn't grown up in America. This country really is one of a kind.

I do think my country is the best in the world, I'm not ashamed to admit that, even though my government is among the worst. Do you get it?

I love the USA because they have the worlds greatest export

in my opinion and thats Hiphop
it gave birth to one of the greatest movements of all time !

Peace love and Unity !

Also because america gave us Jimi hendrix , , the birth of techno music - number of names - shari vari
and a whole bunch of other awesome stuff created by great people!

America also gave the world the Ideal of the constitution
however we dont have that in the UK which sucks , but would be great if we did

Originally posted by Kryties
Yes, we are. Very much so. TOO much so. Yet the second we open our mouths to complain about foreigners screwing with our lives we get hit with "America Hater". Can you see where our frustration comes from? America is screwing the entire world yet we aren't allowed to complain?

edit on 15/2/2012 by Kryties because: (no reason given)

No, you are allowed to complain. But this frustration is mutual due to a failure to convey exactly what someone is talking about. If someone says "America sucks," then an American will get offended, even though the person might mean "America" as in the government. You have to be specific otherwise there won't be a pleasant outcome and it'll be the same old arguments seen over and over again.

I honestly don't think you would get any disagreements when calling out the government. I have only seen literally a hand full of people on here who enjoy Obama's presidency.

Anyhoo - things I like about USA.

Beyond the idiots in the pentagon , washington DC and the crooked lobbyists and such, I actually like the attitude of the Americans. Based on the Americans i've met - they've polite, curious and generally quite nice and considerate people. Some of the American tourists have been a little naive, but then again I guess I probably looked naive when I travelled across Europe and India too, so i'm not judging. I met a wonderful American lady from New york who once helped me in India when I injured myself, she was very concerned and helpful and comforting. If that's the average American, then I'm not gonna complain. (But i don't believe in averages).

I like the music - some of the greatest musicians have been American, many great actors and entertainers, writers, poets, directors and artists, but again this can apply to Europe, UK, India and Asia etc etc too.

I like the way it's a bit of a melting pot of cultures too, for better or for worse, it's quite diversified and contains many cultures and attitudes which reflects in cinema and music especially.

But i'm not an idiot and also know America can be a dangerous, paranoid place too, hence the strong religious overtones of some parts, or the gun-nuts and passive xenophobia in some parts, but again this can be attributed to America being a new country.

One of my pet hates though, is the 'know it all, we're the best' attitude from the younger Americans, and the complete ignorance to world history and society (but i'm not going to tar America with that brush completely, but it does seem prominent with the youth there - whereas our youth in the UK can be violent and nasty and idiotic, but again not all).

Personally I'd be happier if America could one day finally elect someone who DOESN'T think he has a right to try and shove countries and nations around and finally accepts that America is just another country.

Peace

P.s USA - some of your food looks amazing

reply to post by reaxi0n


Patriotism? I could say so much about what I think of Patriotism, but I will let men who are FAR smarter than any of us answer that for me.....

Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism - how passionately I hate them!
~Albert Einstein

It is not easy to see how the more extreme forms of nationalism can long survive when men have seen the Earth in its true perspective as a single small globe against the stars.
~Arthur C. Clarke

Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind.
~Albert Einstein

Patriot: the person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about.
~Mark Twain

Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious.
~Oscar Wilde

Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all others because you were born in it.
~George Bernard Shaw

The greater the state, the more wrong and cruel its patriotism, and the greater is the sum of suffering upon which its power is founded.
~Leo Tolstoy

You'll never have a quiet world till you knock the patriotism out of the human race.
~George Bernard Shaw

reply to post by Kryties


So be it. I don't see what the problem is if I'm not causing harm or promoting illegal government activity.

Originally posted by reaxi0n
reply to post by Kryties

 

So be it. I don't see what the problem is if I'm not causing harm or promoting illegal government activity.

You are causing harm, along with every single other citizen of America, by not standing up as a whole and changing your system of government. You are not only betraying the rest of the world, but yourselves. Your Constitution gives you the right to do this, you yell and scream about how great America is for having a Constitution yet you do not follow it's authority.

Originally posted by Kryties

Originally posted by reaxi0n
reply to post by Kryties

 

So be it. I don't see what the problem is if I'm not causing harm or promoting illegal government activity.

You are causing harm, along with every single other citizen of America, by not standing up as a whole and changing your system of government. You are not only betraying the rest of the world, but yourselves. Your Constitution gives you the right to do this, you yell and scream about how great America is for having a Constitution yet you do not follow it's authority.

Again, what would you like us to do, and what are you doing to help?
I feel as if this conversation is becoming redundant because you have not answered the question.

This is a world issue, and if other countries don't put their say in, then our government will continue stepping all over us. Protests are already happening, and like I have already said I am predicting they will eventually become worse. But to quote an earlier post of yours....

And the gun issue? LMFAO. What the hell are the peashooters you guys are allowed to legally own going to do against RPG's, Gatlings, Tanks, Bombs, Planes etc etc? You might put a dint in them, but they will own your ass quicker than you can blink. Again, another example of complete delusion and surrender to propaganda.

reply to post by TheCommentator


A lot of us American citizens know that our Constitutional rights
are being trampled upon.The American population will eventually
wake up.Have you ever watched the movie,Tora,Tora,Tora?
When our population wakes up,it won't be a pretty picture.

I thank G-d that I was born in the U.S.A.! I am an American grandma
who has a C.C.W. and I know how to bake my own cherry pies

Originally posted by reaxi0n

Again, what would you like us to do, and what are you doing to help?

The better question is "What CAN we do to help". Whenever we try, we get shot down in flames as "America Haters".

I feel as if this conversation is becoming redundant because you have not answered the question.

You're the one taking it in circles mate, not me.

This is a world issue, and if other countries don't put their say in, then our government will continue stepping all over us. Protests are already happening, and like I have already said I am predicting they will eventually become worse.

Put our say in? WE HAVE TRIED MATE. OVER AND OVER AGAIN. Yet we get continually shot down and labelled "America Haters" for DARING to criticise America and it's policies. Would you like us to invade? Is that what you want?

i love the usa because its the birthplace of fried chicken and they are funny people
(both what they say and how they look)

i hate usa because
it is responsible for al qeida (mis-spelling)?
when usa markets crash everyone elses does (financial suicide bomb)
they invented romantic comedys that arent even funny starring vince vaughn (mis-spelling)?
their political system can be bought in its entirety (YES IT CAN)
they are a bully to less developed nations
they will act on a whim and start war (iraq part 2) wmd anyone?
they are only nation to use nukes (twice)
but most of all i hate usa for calling football soccer :@

Originally posted by Kryties

The better question is "What CAN we do to help". Whenever we try, we get shot down in flames as "America Haters".

Like I said I'm sure this is just a matter of the context that people take offense to. Criticize the government all you want, I really don't care. I don't even view them as people.

You're the one taking it in circles mate, not me.

Well you keep telling us to stand up, which is what the goal of protests are.

Put our say in? WE HAVE TRIED MATE. OVER AND OVER AGAIN. Yet we get continually shot down and labelled "America Haters" for DARING to criticise America and it's policies. Would you like us to invade? Is that what you want?

Not just on ATS, in the real world. The leaders of your countries. Our "allies" who only get dragged down with our policies. No one acknowledges the fact that their own governments play a role in the power the US holds over the rest of the world. And honestly, if a friendly country decided to pwn the bigshots in DC or something I really wouldn't care...