4 year old told to eat 3 chicken nuggets

reply to post by ChaoticOrder


haha. Basing your evidence on single or isolated instances or those without research doesn't really prove much. One of the problems of being 'strictly vegetarian' is that you may be eating a less balanced diet than what is optimal for health. There are plenty of instances where people simply 'avoid meat' and have a lopsided diet. Many vegetarians eat a certain way due to habit, or conscience, or something other than total nutrition. I've seen plenty of unhealthy vegetarians. So eating meat makes you a paragon of health? Hardly. I think it much more likely that those unhealthy people are missing key ingredients in their diet. What is their pH balance? Or their vitamin D levels? Their B-12 levels? Do they take in enough magnesium? Are they getting enough essential oils? What salts are they eating, or refined sugars? I suspect they have plenty of other issues that eating meat isn't going to solve.

What is often overlooked is the process of eating 'cooked foods,' which is a trap that many 'vegetarians' fall into. This can lead to an unhealthy lifestyle. Were those people, that you refer to, strictly vegetarians? raw vegans? There are tons of food options out there. Just because someone decides to not eat meat does not make their diet healthier. A living foods lifestyle is much more than discarding meat - it is an approach to eating a wide variety of foods, generally not heated over 115 degrees F, and composed of many foods (too numerous to count) of fruits, vegetables, sprouted nuts and seeds, healthy oils, etc. Hundreds of different foods. Many unhealthy vegetarians forget that fact.

Please do not confuse a 'living foods' diet with that of being a vegetarian. A vegetarian diet, by definition, is a subset of a living/plant based diet, and many vegetarians can become quite unhealthy due to a misunderstanding of the nutrients needed to support healthy and radiant living.

A popular misconception of a true raw vegan diet is that people are eating carrot sticks and celery all day long Far from it. The list of foods in a plant-based diet (living foods/raw foods) is expansive. You would be surprised at the list of foods with high protein and nutritient content.

I'm pretty sure you still haven't read the article I posted, and having a closed mind to a specific 'meat eating' diet is unfortunately quite common. Hey, I was there 3 years ago. Then I started to learn, and eat, and read, and study the facts. Conclusion: I have found that a living foods diet is truly a blessing and life-enhancer.

You do realize there are super athletes, bodybuilders, and very very healthy people who are eating the 'living foods diet' without any meats in them? Again - do some research. Without doing the research and relying on the facts pounded into us by the USDA and corporations looking to sell packaged products, you are never going to see the light.

My original comments stand - the masses are so brainwashed and hostile to a concept that meat (and other products like dairy, wheat, and refined salts and sugars) might not be necessary components to a healthy life that folks will find any available comment to post and claim 'end of story' and declare an 'a-ha' moment.

Sadly, there's not much else to say on the matter other than "go forth and live (or die) in the manner you feel is best." Many closed minded folks will suffer from ailments and symptoms such as cancers, arthritis, high blood pressure, cholesterol issues, etc. - all symptoms of a diet that isn't optimal for our bodies, and blame it on genetics. But hey, that's what keeps the medical profession employed, and helps the profits of the big pharma! Far easier to go to a fat & unhealthy doctor who prescribes some nasty chemical pill that suppresses pain than to eat an organic apple that actually fixes something in the body, eh? Insurance pays for the pill, so it must be o.k.

"People are fed by the food industry, that pays no attention to health
People are then treated by the health industry, that pays no attention to food"
-Wendell Berry

This sort of thing happens in the UK all the time. We are given rules by nurseries and schools as to what is not acceptable in children's lunch boxes, based on government guidlines.

The main problem with meals in schools and hospitals etc over here is the menus are set by 'dietitians'. There is a list of this much protein, this much carbs, this much fat etc per meal. However they don't take into account the quality of the food involved, so long as they meet the standard. This means they put out meals of horrible processed food with all sorts of additives and think that makes a good, nutritious diet.

And of course what is thought to comprise a healthy diet by the 'dietitians' changes almost monthly. There is far too much carbs in the current recommendation I believe. Our digestive system has probably evolved to eat cooked meat, nuts, seeds, fruit and some vegetables, not stacks of starchy food like bread, rice and potatoes.

PS US beef is currently banned in Europe as it is not classed as safe and they may ban other meats as well. I guess British beef may still be banned in the US ironically.

The EU is strange enough that potatoes would be banned if they hadn't already been eaten for years.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by My.mind.is.mine

 

I would hate to see what would happen over a serious grievance.

A school official forcing a child to eat toxic food in place of the healthy food the child's parents gave them to eat - undermining their parental authority and attempts to raise their child to understand the difference between healthy food and toxic, preservative and petroleum-product-laden mcdonald's is not a serious greivance?

What the hell is wrong with us Americans? Really, how stupid (or paid off) to you have to be to think chicken nuggets are "healthy" ??

And a 4 year old?? Really?? From what I read the worst thing they ate was the mcnuggets,

reply to post by EasyPleaseMe


Well preschool is a bit different here, they have their own snacks often the kids help. And sometimes they make wonderful smoothies. Fruits, yogurt, soya milk, yummy for them and good. But its a shorter program, and most of the food here in Canada in the schools moves away from over processed and IS actually nutritional, with lots of treats. The free lunch programs are also good food too. Ketchup is not consider to be a vegetable, its a condiment.

The US has been shafted for years, and taught that services are evil and inequality is good, and equate this with state paying so state having rights, whereas everything is citizen paying and government is just a servant.

reply to post by MegaMind

Originally posted by MegaMind
Its not the system just one individual who got carried away ....

yeah right ...

Show me the federal program that dictates schools do this. This isn't the federal government or even the local government. It's a school board that's gone too far and needs to be reminded their job.

Edit - Why are you so predictable? Why is it you always defend policies by the Gov't or schools or make sure you follow their "guidelines".

1. I am NOT defending this program.
2. This is NOT a government program. It's a school board rule.

reply to post by Darkblade71


My point is that the school system wants to have all of this power over the kids, but yet when they do something that is totally wrong, it somehow becomes the parents fault. I have no love for the school system in the US, it processes children like a factory, and often the kids are the ones to suffer.


this is the exact reason why so many parents are turning to home schooling. our educational system sucks

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


I thought that part of it was just a smart-aleck joke earlier. Do some schools actually have "lunch inspections?"

I've never heard of such a thing, and I dare someone to call and tell me what I feed my kid is not appropriate, because I'll be up in their lunchroom with a camera and a newscrew the next day and we can compare their pantry to my pantry and see who is living healthier!

I can't believe they actually do this type of thing routinely? I assumed the whole story was just an overzealous teacher or something? Is there someone really intentionally checking kids lunchboxes?

reply to post by getreadyalready

Originally posted by getreadyalready
I can't believe they actually do this type of thing routinely? I assumed the whole story was just an overzealous teacher or something? Is there someone really intentionally checking kids lunchboxes?

Yes. There is someone intentionally checking lunchboxes.

According to a post on nccivitas.org it was:

The government inspector was from the Early Childhood Environment Rating Scale-Revised program at the FPG Child Development Institute at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. The program gives schools a grade based on standards that include USDA meal guidelines enforced by the N.C. Division of Early Childhood Development.

You can find out about the Early Childhood Environment Rating Scale-Revised (Chapel Hill) on their website ers.fpg.unc.edu/.

Under the section "Overview of the Subscales and Items of the ECERS-R" it lists meal/snacks as something they assess for quality.

OiO

reply to post by NOTurTypical


So you're saying that the government is nothing more than a bunch of advisers behind one face? I'm not disputing you, just wondering.

[url=http://www.fns.usda.gov/cnd/lunch/]USDA

reply to post by EmceeTrick

Originally posted by EmceeTrick
[url=http://www.fns.usda.gov/cnd/lunch/]USDA

I said it was a school board rule, but it looks like it's a local University instead. They're probably working together with the elementary schools on some project.

Just because something says USDA doesn't mean the government is mandating it. As regards the "government inspector", I would need to know more before I believed it's an actual government program. I have seen nothing to indicate that.

Just because I don't jump on the outrage bandwagon every time someone posts a thread doesn't mean I'm defending the thing. Just show me the government involvement and I'll be happy to get furious along with the rest of you.

Originally posted by OneisOne
reply to post by EmceeTrick

 

Originally posted by EmceeTrick
[url=http://www.fns.usda.gov/cnd/lunch/]USDA

THIS MAKES ME [size=10]RAGE





GET OUT OF OUR KIDS LUNCHES BIG GOV!!!!!!!!!!!!


how [size=10]DARE you!

Originally posted by insanedr4gon
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

So you're saying that the government is nothing more than a bunch of advisers behind one face? I'm not disputing you, just wondering.

I'm not addressing the government really, just saying it could be another dummy dietician. ha

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


The Division of Child Development and Early Education at the Department of Health and Human Services REQUIRES all lunches served in pre-kindergarten programs -- including in-home day care centers -- to meet USDA guidelines. That means lunches must consist of one serving of meat, one serving of milk, one serving of grain, and two servings of fruit or vegetables, even if the lunches are brought from home. When home-packed lunches do not include all of the required items, child care providers must supplement them with the missing ones..

Its not a University program... The state of NC requires it based on the Requirement of USDA PRE-K Lunch Program

IM NOT MAD AT ANYONE MY CAPS ARE JUST ME BOLDING WORDS for points not for yelling

It is the State Dept of Health and Human Services, so I was wrong. It IS the government. I'm looking for details to post.

reply to post by EmceeTrick


Why don't you post proof of this if you have it? If I'm wrong (which I agree, I am), why not prove me so?

Proof Like This

Lunch and Dinner: consists of at least four components: milk, 2 or more fruits or vegetables, meat or meat alternative, bread or bread alternative.

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