Afghanistan Base 'Aryan' Raises Objections From Soldiers Over Name

Originally posted by Aeons
reply to post by Qemyst

 

Because some of the Sniper Scouts really do have the lightning runes on their logo.

So does Kiss. Gene Simmons - he's a Nazi. Clearly, look at his perfect Aryan wife.

This sucks given the SS appropriated the Sig rune from an ancient source.... it's really screwed various Germanic neopagans (heathens) for years. Just because some really racist twits liked the look of it

Originally posted by Aeons
reply to post by duality90

 

Yes, the level of stupidity that Germany has about this subject is quite insane. I know. They literally think that they can regulate people's minds in parliament. A mass social experiment in using national shame as a form of thought police enforcement.

Every time I see a new example of this insanity I wonder how long until Ouroboros realizes he's eating his tail.

Arguably, the repression has had a valid purpose. It is hard to expunge such a black spot from your national history. But even today attitudes are changing. Younger Germans are getting tired of paying for the sins of people who predeceased them long ago. I think it will be much longer yet until the issue ceases to be public taboo, but all Germans are taught from a young age what can happen when we allow the government too much control over our lives. Ironically, I think that is a lesson that needs teaching in many countries. Just because Hitler isn't over the horizon doesn't mean we should not beware our governments overstepping their ambit...

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
reply to post by Blackmarketeer

 

lol watch now how the justifiers try to claim it's a reference to persians or some crap like that

the history you were taught is a lie

the nazis couldn't beat us, so they joined us
and corrupted from within.

of course those damn snipers knew what the ss was,
wouldn't be surprised if back home they were all neo-nazis or such
lot's of gangs signing up to get combat training

People twist things around to justify what ever they want.
The snipers know what SS means TO THEM which is Scout Sniper.
This base what ever the name is will have black, white, hispanic, asians,
people of all colors serving on it. So it is incredible to see people
spin stories with America in it with there own history book they made up
themselves to how evil and wrong America is always..
Must take a *justifier to know one*.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
because according to this post Somalians are taking hostages because America is dumping toxic waste, stealing tuna, shrimp, lobsters and calling those Somalis that dare get in our way evil kidnapping pirates
and murdering them when we can spin it as self defense or saving innocents.

reply to post by duality90


They fail to teach that when you shame a proud country too much for sins of their fathers.... that eventually they stop being so understanding about it.

The economic punishment of the WWI precipitated the situation that created the atmosphere that made Hitler and the Nazis possible. It seems social punishment takes longer to hit the wall. The social punishment boomerang might make the economic/social boomerang effect from WWI to WWII look like fluffy bunnies unless some stupid elitists don't smarten the eff up.

Hey Guys
lots to learn still aye ?!
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Then there's operation paperclip, NASA, rothschilds, bla bla bla

First you people say that us Americans are slaves for the Jews and then you say were Nazis. Make up your minds?

Originally posted by bg_socalif
"Aryan" was around a long time before the Nazi's perverted it for their own use.

You must have not received the memo.

ANYTIME America or Americans hear something that some take as offensive,It will be brought up by those willing to bash America or Americans based on slanted opinion. I should add that many who are NOT Americans do this also. Prevalent with those in the media,those who hate America, and those especially with an agenda on ATS.

Funny.
Too many here have taken the oppourtunity to bash Americans, bash American soldiers over this story and yet, when reading it, the American soldiers were the ones that brought up the complaint.

If anything, this should be a thread that lauds the American soldier, applauds the sense of history that the American soldier is aware of.

Who named it, who owns it, is kinda' moot.

It was American soldiers that brought this to the attention of everyone involved and they should be applauded.

*Salute*

Originally posted by lonegurkha

Ar·y·an
   [air-ee-uhn, air-yuhn, ar-]
noun
1.
Ethnology . a member or descendant of the prehistoric people who spoke Indo-European.

2.
(in Nazi doctrine) a non-Jewish caucasian, especially of Nordic stock.

3.
(formerly) Indo-European.

4.
(formerly) Indo-Iranian.

adjective
5.
of or pertaining to an Aryan or the Aryans.

6.
(formerly) Indo-European.

7.
(formerly) Indo-Iranian.
definition from Dictionary.com

This is the definition of the word. I only see one reference to the Nazi's here. If the word describes the people that live there , exactly what is the problem here.

If you can't get over the link to the Nazi's that's your problem.

You forgot to mention that most of those have the word "formerly" in front of them, which means they are no longer used in that context. So using them as alternate definitions in this context is intellectual dishonesty. I didnt even want to post in this topic, but I cant just let that go.

Deny ignorance? Whatever, wallow in it for all I care, youre going to anyway.

Originally posted by beezzer

It was American soldiers that brought this to the attention of everyone involved and they should be applauded.

*Salute*

Doesnt the article say Afghani troops as well? Salute them as well, right?

Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by beezzer

It was American soldiers that brought this to the attention of everyone involved and they should be applauded.

*Salute*

Doesnt the article say Afghani troops as well? Salute them as well, right?

edit on 13-2-2012 by aching_knuckles because: (no reason given)

Sure. I just didn't see too much Afghan soldier bashing. T'is why I focused on American soldiers.

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


This is great news. The last 3-4 threads on this topic have exposed the US military and proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the US military are in fact NAZIS. As if the SS flag and denial weren't enough, this seals the deal!!!

The good news is that all you people who exposed the US military can now stop defending Iran's pursuit of nukes by blaming the US. After all, we know the cozy relationship between Nazis and Iran (Aryan = Iran). The US can't possibly be blamed for Iran's aggression now that we know the US military are in fact NAZIS!!!  

Originally posted by aching_knuckles
You forgot to mention that most of those have the word "formerly" in front of them, which means they are no longer used in that context. So using them as alternate definitions in this context is intellectual dishonesty. I didnt even want to post in this topic, but I cant just let that go.

Deny ignorance? Whatever, wallow in it for all I care, youre going to anyway.

Different thread, so I will reply, even though I didn't want to.
I just couldn't let this go though.

Definition with the formerly ones taken out.

Ar·y·an
   [air-ee-uhn, air-yuhn, ar-]
noun
1.
Ethnology . a member or descendant of the prehistoric people who spoke Indo-European.

2.
(in Nazi doctrine) a non-Jewish caucasian, especially of Nordic stock.

You'll notice the first use has nothing to do with Nazis.
What that tells me is that someone is CHOOSING to decide that it means Nazi in this case.

As someone else posted, the English word "Aryan" is borrowed from the Sanskrit word ārya meaning 'Noble'

I won't say you are being ignorant, but the fact is these are the other uses of the word. If someone decides they absolutely must associate it with the Nazis, that's their choice.

So.. choose to see the word how you want to see it regardless of other evidence provided, "youre going to anyway".

Cheers

Originally posted by Qemyst

Originally posted by aching_knuckles
You forgot to mention that most of those have the word "formerly" in front of them, which means they are no longer used in that context. So using them as alternate definitions in this context is intellectual dishonesty. I didnt even want to post in this topic, but I cant just let that go.

Deny ignorance? Whatever, wallow in it for all I care, youre going to anyway.

Different thread, so I will reply, even though I didn't want to.
I just couldn't let this go though.

Definition with the formerly ones taken out.

Ar·y·an
   [air-ee-uhn, air-yuhn, ar-]
noun
1.
Ethnology . a member or descendant of the prehistoric people who spoke Indo-European.

2.
(in Nazi doctrine) a non-Jewish caucasian, especially of Nordic stock.

You'll notice the first use has nothing to do with Nazis.
What that tells me is that someone is CHOOSING to decide that it means Nazi in this case.

As someone else posted, the English word "Aryan" is borrowed from the Sanskrit word ārya meaning 'Noble'

I won't say you are being ignorant, but the fact is these are the other uses of the word. If someone decides they absolutely must associate it with the Nazis, that's their choice.

So.. choose to see the word how you want to see it regardless of other evidence provided, "youre going to anyway".

Cheers

edit on 13-2-2012 by Qemyst because: (no reason given)

Yes there are other uses of the word. Which one has been most prevalently used in the last century? How is the word mainly used in America?

Do you understand HOW it POSSIBLY be misconstrued and give the US a blackeye when it least needs it?

Are all the service members that objected to it wrong? Sometimes its not everybody else.

reply to post by lonegurkha


That's a whole lot of formerlies. Just saying I appreciate your argument. Words are dynamic. Look the word pity up. Or 'n-word', nigar, niger or any of its various other spellings. Words take on new meaning az they are adulterated. Chord of Roi, corduroy, chord of kings, words mean what they mean in their most understood and perceived definition. Linguistics. Its most basic rule is words are arbitrary. Why does a word mean what it means? Because what we say it means. Unfortunately, Aryan means and signifies its most current conception ....Nazi Eugenic Doctrine and Philosophy. As intelligent and educated as many officers are I doubt they were some sci-f or fantasy kick. I even more doubtedly believe they went down the list until they found that indo-persian line.

Having said all that I cannot wait to see the official Pentagon tow on this one. I for one don't know what to believe about the SS unless they were paying homage to the fierce reputation of blitzkrieg and force the SS were notorious for, which is what miltaries do.

Originally posted by aching_knuckles
Yeh, and I guess all the service members that actually raised objections about it are ignorant too.

I never called anyone ignorant.

The service members had the choice when they knew what the base was called.

They could either A) Associate it with the word "Noble" or another meaning of the word
or B) Associate it with Nazis.

Nothing wrong with them associating it with Nazis if they want to.

Just like no-one would be wrong if they DIDN'T object to the name.

Because I think it's silly to be in an uproar over it doesn't mean it's wrong to have a different view of the subject.
Many people choose to simply shrug it off, like they did with the Scout Sniper flag. Nothing wrong with that.
Many people choose to get wound up over it. Nothing wrong with that either. I just think it's much easier to relax and see something for how simple and trivial it is. Doesn't make me wrong.

Cheers

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Originally posted by beezzer

It was American soldiers that brought this to the attention of everyone involved and they should be applauded.

*Salute*

Doesnt the article say Afghani troops as well? Salute them as well, right?

edit on 13-2-2012 by aching_knuckles because: (no reason given)

Sure. I just didn't see too much Afghan soldier bashing. T'is why I focused on American soldiers.

Well wait. "Bashing" means that it is undeserved; so which is it? You are trying to play both angles. You are trying to give credit but yet not accept blame, where it is deserved.

Cant have it both ways.

Originally posted by Qemyst

They could either A) Associate it with the word "Noble" or another meaning of the word
or B) Associate it with Nazis.

Nothing wrong with them associating it with Nazis if they want to.

Just like no-one would be wrong if they DIDN'T object to the name.

Because I think it's silly to be in an uproar over it doesn't mean it's wrong to have a different view of the subject.
Many people choose to simply shrug it off, like they did with the Scout Sniper flag. Nothing wrong with that.
Many people choose to get wound up over it. Nothing wrong with that either. I just think it's much easier to relax and see something for how simple and trivial it is. Doesn't make me wrong.

Cheers

So they had the choice of associating it with some definition most of America has never heard before, or Nazis. When is the last time you used "aryan" in a sentence to mean noble? Even once in your life? "Boy, my fellow soldiers sure are aryan!" Come off it.

Hrm, if you were an 18 year old black kid or Mexican kid, what would you think when forced to report to Base Camp Aryan?

Sorry, but the fact that you cannot even understand how that might affect the morale of your own troops shows how little compassion you have for fellow countrymen.

If its no big deal, why do you keep defending it? If its no big deal, get rid of it, and everyones happy right?

Originally posted by Aeons
reply to post by duality90

 

They fail to teach that when you shame a proud country too much for sins of their fathers.... that eventually they stop being so understanding about it.

The economic punishment of the WWI precipitated the situation that created the atmosphere that made Hitler and the Nazis possible. It seems social punishment takes longer to hit the wall. The social punishment boomerang might make the economic/social boomerang effect from WWI to WWII look like fluffy bunnies unless some stupid elitists don't smarten the eff up.

??? Germany is a stable democracy with extremely strict respect for its constitution. It is arguably the healthiest nation, socially and economically outside of Scandinavia in Europe right now.

Originally posted by aching_knuckles

Do you understand HOW it POSSIBLY be misconstrued and give the US a blackeye when it least needs it?

Sure I do.

Let's say America decides to keep the name Aryan for the base.

2 countries get mad and grill the USA about it.

USA simply replies "Aryan stands for Noble here, folks. Here's the source showing what it means. Therefore, any outrage can be put to rest. We appreciate your concern over the name, but we feel it's meaning is harmless and have decided to keep it."

Originally posted by aching_knuckles
Hrm, if you were an 18 year old black kid or Mexican kid, what would you think when forced to report to Base Camp Aryan?

If I knew that it stood for "Noble" or something else, I wouldn't care to be honest. I'm as offended by Nazi ideals as the next guy, as it heavily influenced my family. I've even discussed this topic and the Scout Sniper flag with them. None are upset over it because they know that it's not meant to represent Nazi ideals in any way.

Strange how some people are offended by it, when others, who were equally as affected by the Nazis aren't offended.

You keep saying "Are all the service members that objected to it wrong? Sometimes its not everybody else."

Here's a novel concept. Sometimes NO-ONE is wrong. This is one of those cases.

Cheers.